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Re: L/R 110 4x4 Regional Force Surveilance Vehicle (RFSV)
« Reply #165 on: September 16, 2014, 04:16:17 PM »
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Re: L/R 110 4x4 Regional Force Surveilance Vehicle (RFSV)
« Reply #166 on: September 16, 2014, 07:29:46 PM »
No, i meant what i said.

Roll over protection it is not. And never has been.
Its a piece of pipe to hold up the canopy, cam net rack and boat support brackets. The rear hoop itself has no structural integrity at all.

Any one who has had experience in motorsport ROPs and engineered ROPs for mining use would laugh at it. I'd be keen to learn if the original design was meant to be ROPs and if it complied to AS of the day.

As it is i'll be happy to agree to disagree.

I completely agree. They really were an afterthought and a poorly executed one at that.

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« Reply #167 on: September 17, 2014, 12:38:06 AM »
No, i meant what i said.

Roll over protection it is not. And never has been.
Its a piece of pipe to hold up the canopy, cam net rack and boat support brackets. The rear hoop itself has no structural integrity at all.

Any one who has had experience in motorsport ROPs and engineered ROPs for mining use would laugh at it. I'd be keen to learn if the original design was meant to be ROPs and if it complied to AS of the day.

As it is i'll be happy to agree to disagree.

I completely agree. They really were an afterthought and a poorly executed one at that.

Although, if you look at rolled over Perentie wrecks, while there is significant distortion of the front bar, none of the bars have penetrated the seat box and a survival space remains in the front passenger area.  Not something that you can say about Series IIa and Series III army Landies after roll overs even at slow speeds.

The bars are not designed to be crash protection in motor sports doing well over 100KPH, in fact the Army didn't permit travel at speeds of 100KPH.
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Re: L/R 110 4x4 Regional Force Surveilance Vehicle (RFSV)
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« Reply #171 on: September 17, 2014, 12:57:14 AM »
a version of fence wire cutter, one of three different types trailed



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Re: L/R 110 4x4 Regional Force Surveilance Vehicle (RFSV)
« Reply #172 on: September 17, 2014, 06:45:37 AM »
Great pictures and the mods are different 2, love the first picture with the endless view in the back ground...

Did you always have the tyres on the doors? or were the tyres carried like this before being mounted in the back?
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Re: L/R 110 4x4 Regional Force Surveilance Vehicle (RFSV)
« Reply #173 on: September 17, 2014, 11:45:26 AM »

Although, if you look at rolled over Perentie wrecks, while there is significant distortion of the front bar, none of the bars have penetrated the seat box and a survival space remains in the front passenger area.  Not something that you can say about Series IIa and Series III army Landies after roll overs even at slow speeds.

The bars are not designed to be crash protection in motor sports doing well over 100KPH, in fact the Army didn't permit travel at speeds of 100KPH.

I work in insurance and a huge part of my job is sifting over mangled wrecks and figuring out what went wrong. I am also very familiar with the way in which our peace time military likes to cut corners. Believe me when I say that the ROPS on the Perenties are inadequate.

Comparing a vehicle with any sort of ROPS to one with none is disingenuous as is suggesting that anyone is claiming the ROPS should be up to motorsport specs. No one is saying they aren’t better than nothing but its a fact that they were an afterthought. Most of the rolled ones you see have tipped over onto their side at low speed on soft ground. If one of these rolled or flipped at 80kph on the black-top it would be an absolute massacre. 

The ROPS are probably fine for off roading and cross country at low speeds but the fact is they would never pass muster as a ROP system under ADRs (past or present) and nor should they; They would be completely inadequate in a roll over at any speed on a hard surface.
Mounting them to the chassis would have broken the galv which, along with cost, I suspect had something to do with the decision not to do exactly that.

I'm not slagging off the military or the Perentie.  Either way I'm working on a solution to the problem that doesn’t involve breaking the galv or messing too much with the heritage of the vehicle.  Anyone planning to use theirs as more than a museum peice or occaional hobby car should look into options too.
 

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Re: L/R 110 4x4 Regional Force Surveilance Vehicle (RFSV)
« Reply #174 on: September 17, 2014, 11:58:33 AM »
The ROPS on the perentie is attached to the chassis, front and rear from memory (although only 50% sure on the rear one). 
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« Reply #175 on: September 17, 2014, 12:06:05 PM »
The ROPS on the perentie is attached to the chassis, front and rear from memory (although only 50% sure on the rear one).

Not on mine or any of the others I looked at buying.

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Re: L/R 110 4x4 Regional Force Surveilance Vehicle (RFSV)
« Reply #176 on: September 17, 2014, 12:22:31 PM »
THe verticals of the hoop over teh driver compartment are certainly braced through the tub down to the chassis, the rear outriggers aren't from memory.
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Re: L/R 110 4x4 Regional Force Surveilance Vehicle (RFSV)
« Reply #177 on: September 17, 2014, 12:48:59 PM »
Just to the tub on my non-RFSV but bog standard perentie :-(

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Re: L/R 110 4x4 Regional Force Surveilance Vehicle (RFSV)
« Reply #178 on: September 17, 2014, 01:02:10 PM »
It seems I stand corrected. I honestly never looked closely at it.
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Re: L/R 110 4x4 Regional Force Surveilance Vehicle (RFSV)
« Reply #179 on: September 17, 2014, 02:03:22 PM »
THe verticals of the hoop over teh driver compartment are certainly braced through the tub down to the chassis, the rear outriggers aren't from memory.

Nup. Unless you consider 2mm thick aluminium part of the chassis.