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Re: Gunbuggy ARNs & Photos
« Reply #165 on: May 19, 2013, 02:16:31 PM »
The thing I find of interest in that photograph, is what are they carrying on the dash between the screen where the barrel mount clamp should be? Smoke? But the writing looks too large and obvious and the top looks wrong.
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Have a look at this photo below Glen. This smoke grenade shows a yellow top cap and large text. Although the original photo is black and white, it does appear to have a light coloured top cap. Looks the same size as well.

If it is indeed a smoke grenade, what coloured smoke would a vehicle be required to carry? Red, Green, Yellow or Violet? What purpose would each colour be used for? Extraction/landing zone, enemy, wounded etc?
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Re: Gunbuggy ARNs & Photos
« Reply #166 on: May 19, 2013, 02:49:02 PM »
I should let a more knowledgeable person on this subject than myself answer that question. I remember carrying a few different colours at different times and I was never aware of any specific colour coded set up.
Before each convoy, the packet commanders were briefed in the pre job "O" groups,  on various aspects of the day, most were set out in convoy orders such as radio frequencies, emergency frequencies, and code words that were changed each day for various obstacles en route,  and I do recall the colour of smoke issued each day was always mentioned.
Knowing what smoke you had thrown was fairly important.
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Re: Gunbuggy ARNs & Photos
« Reply #167 on: May 19, 2013, 03:24:46 PM »
I should let a more knowledgeable person on this subject than myself answer that question. I remember carrying a few different colours at different times and I was never aware of any specific colour coded set up.
Before each convoy, the packet commanders were briefed in the pre job "O" groups,  on various aspects of the day, most were set out in convoy orders such as radio frequencies, emergency frequencies, and code words that were changed each day for various obstacles en route,  and I do recall the colour of smoke issued each day was always mentioned.
Knowing what smoke you had thrown was fairly important.
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Now that makes sense Glen. Different colours, different days with different uses. The enemy would then have trouble identifying the designated use for each colour. A smoke code :).

BTW, what is a 'packet commander'? It sounds like a slang term rather than a military one.

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Re: Gunbuggy ARNs & Photos
« Reply #168 on: May 19, 2013, 04:04:42 PM »
Some people sent a convoy up the road consisting of about 50 trucks nose to tail, and these were pretty easy marks, as per this shot of a much earlier convoy in the vicinity (road to Binh Ba), shows;

A comforting sight!

The Australian way was to cut a convoy up into "packets" usually comprising 6 or so trucks (about a section). These "packets" came under the control of the packet commander, usually a Cpl or L/Cpl, (some times known as a sect commander. The different terminology comes about because whereas a Section Commander commanded a particular section within a Platoon, a packet may be made up of trucks from a number of different sections or even Units. Sounds insignificant, but there is a difference.)

Each vehicle in a packet would travel approx 100 yds between vehicles (So the numberplate was just readable) and each packet was separated even further apart. (See Commander's Diaries, convoy orders)
Each Packet was issued with at least one AR (Heavy barrelled automatic version of the SLR) or a GPMG M60, and had a radio set issued to the packet commander.
The idea of this spacing was that an ambush could realistically only knock out one or two trucks and the rest could take whatever avoiding procedure presented itself, whereas a closely packed convoy often suffered the fate of the photo as the attackers only had to knock out the first and last and the rest had nowhere to go.
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Re: Gunbuggy ARNs & Photos
« Reply #169 on: May 20, 2013, 02:43:24 PM »
Convoys have to be done right or  its a night mare. The record for the "World's Worst" was on the Basra Road I suppose.
Glen, in a typical run to Nui Dat with 3 packets...
..would there be just 1 gunbuggy with 106RCL and just 2 GPMG convoy escorts?

I ask because there seems to be a significant change in SOP for road travel over the 3 years 68-71.
Here are road codes and SOPs from july 71: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-qD-3hIoMX80/UaSmOo2lDOI/AAAAAAAADZ8/XrXRRP08ehk/s640/17const-road-danger-codes-aug71.jpg

btw, I jazzed up your CCKW picture a bit for you: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-DK8BT19IYTM/UZmn_knMweI/AAAAAAAADYk/XCauFpSUzAM/s787/2Oldconvoy_zps985.jpg
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« Reply #170 on: May 20, 2013, 09:57:34 PM »
Convoys have to be done right or  its a night mare. The record for the "World's Worst" was on the Basra Road I suppose.


Or geographically closer, Groupement Mobile 100 in 1953/4 in the northern reaches of SVN.


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Re: Gunbuggy ARNs & Photos
« Reply #171 on: May 21, 2013, 02:34:41 AM »
The bloody demise of the mobile regimental combat team GM 100 on the Central Plateau in the first months of 1954 is well covered in Bernard Fall's 'Street Without Joy', chapter 9: End of a Task Force. It also briefly recounts the loss of an ARVN ammunition convoy on 2 July 1964 on the same stretch of road, using the same tactics. Fall stated 'the ambush had taken place at the foot of the monument commemorating the end of GM100 - 10 years, 8 days and 3 hours earlier'. A graphic example of the saying 'We ignore the lessons of history at out peril'.

This excellent book is a 'must read' for anyone with an interest in the war in South Vietnam. My copy is the 1964 edition with the additional chapters and sections on US/allied involvement in SVN, which adds considerably to the book's applicability to the years that followed (ie 1964-1975).

Fall was killed when he stepped on a land mine in the Street Without Joy area of SVN on 21 February 1967.

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« Reply #172 on: May 21, 2013, 05:58:18 AM »
Another photo of 110-807. Added to post #7.

Although the ARN plate is difficult to read, the numbers 110-?0? can be seen on the original photo.

I studied existing photos of 110-807 and came to the conclusion that it was indeed 807 from the following:

1. It has bonnet latches. From photographic evidence, all earlier ARNs did not have these. Although there are two similar Gunbuggy ARNs (110-501 and 506), it could not be either as they would not have had the latches.

2. The same size and 'bent' brush bar mounted star steel picket cable deflector.

3. No TAC plate holders to front guard panels (photos show that 506 has TAC plate holders on both front guard panels).

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« Reply #173 on: May 21, 2013, 06:12:27 AM »
Added these two photos of 111-578 to post #10. Both photos taken in 87 Transport Platoons yard, SVN.



In this photo you can just see the two bolt holes that were used to secure the star picket cable deflector/cutter to the left hand corner post of the brush bar. Note also how the 'Teaspoon Tippers' in the background are loaded up to the max. Looks like beach sand.

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Re: Gunbuggy ARNs & Photos
« Reply #174 on: June 15, 2013, 01:43:06 AM »
On the old REMLR forum, the following photo of a Gunbuggy created some discussion in relation to it's ARN. After some valued opinions, it was decided that this Gunbuggies ARN was 110-501.

I now have a better quality photo that clearly shows the ARN as 110-506 :D. I have amended the ARN and posted this 'new' photo into post #4 of this thread.

Old photo.



New photo.


This vehicle was the subect of a number of posts having been spotted at the Corowa Swim-In, it is actually a regular attendee.

110-506 is an item in the collection or the Royal NSW Lancers Regimental Museum at the historic Lancer Barracks in Parramatta Sydney.  The regiment traces its history from colonial times and was one of the NSW Forces fighting in the South African Boer War before the Federation of Australia and the formation of the Australian Army.



In the absence of a 106mm recoilless rifle the museum volunteers wish to replicate the M60 pedestal and pintle fitted to 110-506 in SVN operations.

If anyone has any images of 110-506 clearly showing the construction of the pedestal, particularly base and attachment to the transom and floor, the museum would be grateful of a copy.

I will be happy to pass them on or you can contact them via their website.  http://www.lancers.org.au/

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Re: Gunbuggy ARNs & Photos
« Reply #175 on: June 24, 2013, 10:49:21 PM »
[[ just added this to post #103 up thread ]]


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Re: Gunbuggy ARNs & Photos
« Reply #176 on: June 25, 2013, 01:34:34 PM »
That is a great action shot!  :)
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Re: Gunbuggy ARNs & Photos
« Reply #177 on: June 25, 2013, 03:56:19 PM »
I have 'caught up' regards Richard O's (5/2009) MVCA photo album of 112-336 and 112-337 "as found".

The photos are very detailed: http://www.mvca.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=151&t=268

eg, I see 112-337 doesn't have the rear safety-belt mount holes we were discussing up thread.

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Re: Gunbuggy ARNs & Photos
« Reply #178 on: June 25, 2013, 04:36:30 PM »
... speaking of detailled photos, I also 'caught up' with photos of ARN ------ displayed in 2010 at the Tyabb Aerodrome Open Day: http://www.grubbyfingersshop.com/walkaround_galleries/land_rover_106mm_recoilless_gun_truck_walkaround_tyabb_2010/content/index.html



and a gunbuggy model:



....and the Jeep 106RCL trial. Note the rounds are not carried with the gun: http://g503.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=108&t=164079

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« Reply #179 on: June 25, 2013, 04:39:30 PM »
That's one of my models.