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vintage wiring harness
« on: April 05, 2013, 10:25:24 AM »
has any one used a harness from 
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and are they any good
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Re: vintage wiring harness
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2013, 10:33:35 AM »
They used to be very good when made at Bellengen NSW and speaking to the new owners they are interested in getting the harnesses correct.

If they don't have a harness in their catalogue they will copy your old harness including replicating any missing bits using the specs of different models.

They will even add additional wires into a harness if you want spots or turn signals on Series 1 or early series 2 models.

The standard for series Landies is cotton wrapped but will also do fully plastic insulated wires and wrapping.

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Re: vintage wiring harness
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2013, 10:35:36 AM »
this is for my 2a ambo

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Re: vintage wiring harness
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2013, 10:59:56 AM »
An ambulance is more awkward because of the alternator and additional wiring for cabin lighting, beacon and siren.

Is it possible to remove your harness and send it to them?

Otherwise they will have to start with the SIIa 109 LR623/2 and modify it for the alternator/mil wiring/ambulance wiring. 
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Re: vintage wiring harness
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2013, 11:03:19 AM »
would any one have a copy of the wiring loom?
has my loom been modifyed or changed?
do not know

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Re: vintage wiring harness
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2013, 11:15:03 AM »
Mmm, I will have to look and see how hard my ambulance one would be to get out and where it separates.  Seems to me it would be a good investment for me, and others following.
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Re: vintage wiring harness
« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2013, 11:30:49 AM »
I think it would be a worthwhile project for REMLR/members to get them to update all the models.

They only seem to have the 1961 SII military.  The difference between the 88 and the 109 is the length of the rear harness but is there a differece between the 1959 Command recon and te later 109 GS etc?
It would be good if they could add the:
  • 1962/63 GS military (88 & 109)
  • 1968/69/70 GS military cable wiper type. (109)
  • 1962/63 military FFT (109)
  • 1968/69/70 military FFT (109)
  • 1971 Suffix H military GS/WS wide headlamps (109) 
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Re: vintage wiring harness
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2013, 02:40:20 PM »
The Ambulance has quite a few extras when compared with the GS etc. As well as the usual features and blackout switch, it has mounted on the firewall fuse box x 2 and the relay for the continental horns x  2 Hi tone, 2 Lo tone


Inside the vehicle it has extra wiring harness for the panel LHS dash with switches for map light, blower & heater + usual fuel tank switch & wiring for Amp meter

On the opposite side (RHS) it will have extra wires for the switch that operates the beacon & siren + warning lights for both as well as the blackout switch

All the electrical fittings i.e. in the rear etc all have wires running through a pressed ??conduit?? which carries power to a junction box behind the passenger seat it's under the alloy cover

from that junction box wires travel through the ?conduit? to various locations i.e. fans x 4

and lights x 3, this light mounted rhs

Back in the engine bay I also have an alternator, mine is a Bosch,

the vehicle was missing it's original alternator ?Chrysler type, anyway hope those images are of some help, cheers Dennis
« Last Edit: April 05, 2013, 02:42:28 PM by DennisM »

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Re: vintage wiring harness
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2013, 02:49:27 PM »
Hi Dennis

Is the ambulance body and the vehicle harnesses in the one wrapping or separate harnesses?

And Do you know if the SII and SIIa ambulances have different harnesses.

I think Phoenix has already suggested that making an Ambulance harness is a must do.  What I'm wondering is: Would it be possible to have an ambulance vehicle harness which includes the alternator wiring that is compatible with a GS vehicle where an owner wants to retrofit an alternator but not have any of the ambulance body harnes wires?  Guess I'm thinking out loud for my gun buggy.

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Re: vintage wiring harness
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2013, 09:39:49 PM »
Series 2 is certainly different, I think I do not have the junction box behind the pax seat for example.

I think most of the internal wiring is sepeate from the vehicle loom, but I will have to examine it closer as the only wiring I have disconnected to date is that from the front guards.
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Re: vintage wiring harness
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2013, 08:30:54 AM »
Dennis

I'm guessing standardised wiring for a Bosch 55 to 80 Amp alternator would be sensible, as these are the most readily available types in the country. (And you wouldn't bother with a Lucas or Magnetti Marelli brand ones)

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Re: vintage wiring harness
« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2013, 01:02:27 PM »
Diana
I purchased a Vinwire Harness for my 2A last year with some specific options including three pin pigtails for the head lights and wired for alternator. All came beautifully packaged and I am in the process of fitting it now. I will keep you posted.
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Re: vintage wiring harness
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2013, 03:51:03 PM »
I'm not 101% sure, but I think I could reasonably say that YES it's all in one harness, it was 10 years ago when I worked on the Ambulance, I just reckon without having experience + work area the wiring loom (for an amatuer) would be a nightmare, cheers Dennis :)

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Re: vintage wiring harness
« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2013, 12:08:35 PM »
I have some news on wiring harnesses, wait out!
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Re: vintage wiring harness
« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2013, 02:51:49 PM »
It seems that what wiring harnesses were used is far more complicated than I ever gave it credit for, there are literally hundreds of variations to Australian Military harnesses!!!!

Apart from unpacking and putting together that was the mechano of a Land Rover, Land Rover in Australia did no real manufacturing of the series II and IIa vehicles.  More was done on advertising and liaison with the DOD.   PMC engineers, under the supervision of those at Land Rover Australia, did all the design and manufacture of additional equipment such as those on the Military Land Rovers.  Naturally when the series 3 was in production things were a little different as PMC had been purchased by Leyland.  So little of the II and IIa parts are land rover, but rather PMC parts.

This follows through to the wiring looms.   Some were naturally reworks of existing civilian harnesses, where only minor things were added such as the addition or removal of components.   This was all done by PMS, as was the design work.  So military parts were added to the wiring as things changed, but the civilian base changed through time as well so things had to change to accommodate those changes  as they occurred as well!  Some of these changes were only found when CKD packs were opened, so there as little to no notice of some changes!

Now the good news, Vintage Harness in Melbourne is a supplier to Land Rover Australia for the current fleet, and therefore if any REMLR member wants a harness they can provide the details (where available) for Vintage to manufacture.

Accordingly, i have been sent a listing by PMC Drawing Number of the various harnesses identified to date for Series II, IIA and III. The use of a core civilian harness as a starting point, where applicable, is only detailed on the respective drawing.
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