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Re: Some Sth Vietnam snippets from documents.
« Reply #30 on: March 19, 2013, 12:53:01 PM »
Just count the columns marked 1/4 Trk;(88" x 12),  3/4 Trk; (109 x 8 ),  21/2 t Trk); (Mk3 x 4) plus the FLA (1/4 ton field ambo): (88" x1.) =25
Trailers aren't counted.
The M274 Mules are interesting in that should the Bn require to be deployed over a reasonable distance, I read it that the two mules, which I gather from the bottom notation were allocated to Mortar Platoon, had to be towed, and the only two vehicles with that capacity and not previously allocated a trailer were the HQ Comdt's and the Med's 3/4 ton vehicles.
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Re: Some Sth Vietnam snippets from documents.
« Reply #31 on: March 19, 2013, 05:08:11 PM »
Just count the columns marked 1/4 Trk;(88" x 12),  3/4 Trk; (109 x 8 ),  21/2 t Trk); (Mk3 x 4) plus the FLA (1/4 ton field ambo): (88" x1.) =25
Trailers aren't counted.
The M274 Mules are interesting in that should the Bn require to be deployed over a reasonable distance, I read it that the two mules, which I gather from the bottom notation were allocated to Mortar Platoon, had to be towed, and the only two vehicles with that capacity and not previously allocated a trailer were the HQ Comdt's and the Med's 3/4 ton vehicles.
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Thank you for that expl. of FLA. Field Light Ambulance. I was scratching my head - a trailer of Field Light Arms? etc

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Re: Some Sth Vietnam snippets from documents.
« Reply #32 on: March 23, 2013, 05:56:18 PM »

It could have been a shooting gallery for the VC...
I have just read a stack of Commander Diaries of 5 Coy RAASC, 1969.

I'm trying to understand more about the war in that province. It was two and a half years after the Battle Of Long Tan.
For most of 1969 its day in and day out convoys up and back from Vungers to Nui Dat for 5RAASC. Sometimes Saigon, Baria, etc. But mainly Nui Dat.
To the VC it must have been a case of see you tomorrow, same bat time, same bat channel. For months and months and months.

For those Australian Servicemen equal to the task it must have been a real courage-call to go out for a drive every day. There's no covert tactics, no sneaking around. No cam and concealment. A big convoy raises noise and dust and there's no hiding it. Seems to me that the road going supply convoy is the most vulnerable target in many ways. And the goodies being carried are highly desirable - ammunition, munitions, weapons... The convoy is relatively easy to attack compared to Nui Dat and the typical FSB  and I'm left wondering whether its a case of the supply convoy being the canary in the coalmine. And its not like all the VC manpower is otherwise employed - somewhere off flying planes and steaming around the oceans in their Navy. Ground attack, night maneuvers, and mafia-like terror and coercion on the locals was all they did.

The VC definitely seem to have been buttoned down in their tactics and limited to a single shot or harassment, some shoot n skoots, some grenade chuckings, some land mines, and some bridge demolitions. Maybe it was a case that their orders were to simply maintain the stress levels on the convoys. Did they take note of the Cessna overhead and the Huey gunships on call (etc) and conclude there was just too much firepower available to back up the convoys? In what I've read of the proceedings in that area, the VC don't appear to have gone to the next step; they didn't attack in force and properly hold up the supply line to draw out Infantry from Nui Dat as either a diversionary tactic to weaken defences before attacking Nui Dat itself or as a deliberate trap to isolate and ambush the Infantry sent to rescue their fellows in the supply convoy.

Interesting discussion, whatever the truth. And interesting reading.

14 doc snips, in chronological order:
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below: 24feb69

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below: Red Alert then Amber then Red again. 25feb69

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below: 2am attack 23mar69. One rocket hit HQ verandah.

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below: 23mar69 continued

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below: Convoy ambush by 12 VC 20apr69

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below: ANZAC Day shots fired at trucks 25apr69

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below: RPG fired at Land-Rover 24jul69

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below: Bridge blown 02aug69

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below: Rebuild bridge 03aug69

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below: Rebuild bridge 04aug69

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below: Another bridge blown 12aug69

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below: Shot fired 15aug69

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below: US Convoy hit - 'elm' is a enemy land mine? 25sep69

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below: Vungers rocketted 16oct69

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Re: Some Sth Vietnam snippets from documents.
« Reply #33 on: March 31, 2013, 07:48:16 PM »
Another few SVN in service hits for members.

114009

223137

175206

170629

112428

congrats, my eyes are going blurry...

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Re: Some Sth Vietnam snippets from documents.
« Reply #34 on: March 31, 2013, 09:37:46 PM »
Hello Ross,

112-428 belongs to Hilton, or its remains anyway. we knew it was a Vet, but what did you find on it?. A pic would be great.

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Re: Some Sth Vietnam snippets from documents.
« Reply #35 on: March 31, 2013, 09:43:43 PM »
Yeah pics would be great, for everyone.


.. but what we're digging thru at the moment are Ordnance Depot records. Its in January 68 at Vung Tau and its going out the door; aka Issued. That means it was in their stock for whatever reason; could be new in country off the ship or it could have been receipted into stock earlier for a service or repair.

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Re: Some Sth Vietnam snippets from documents.
« Reply #36 on: March 31, 2013, 09:59:34 PM »
Hi Justin, this is what I've found amongst what the AWM has; there could be more yet.

This is the one with a column listing 112-428 issued 22 January 1968, 2 Advanced Ordnance Depot 1ALSG Vung Tau.

https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/records/awm95/13/3/awm95-13-3-1.pdf



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Re: Some Sth Vietnam snippets from documents.
« Reply #37 on: March 31, 2013, 10:09:16 PM »
...do you notice the typo/mistake as the listing census is 6028 not 6005M?

Someone with a clipboard walked around the shed jotting down ARNs and census numbers on a form: "Ah, here's another GS..". Perhaps.
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Re: Some Sth Vietnam snippets from documents.
« Reply #38 on: April 02, 2013, 02:13:20 PM »
Carzee, have you had a chance to put that information into the database?
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Re: Some Sth Vietnam snippets from documents.
« Reply #39 on: April 02, 2013, 04:48:48 PM »
No not yet. I have looked at the dbase workings, and thought how to do it with cut n pastes from the notes
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AirmtN4GydAxdDBBM2lFVHBONHpWajJNd2tPTThEZmc&usp=sharing

... but to enter that info as it stands, halfway, and update the master dbase now... well, I'm waiting until the fresh source of info is exhausted. Otherwise I'd be back again later updating the updates and perhaps getting work duplications.


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Re: Some Sth Vietnam snippets from documents.
« Reply #40 on: April 02, 2013, 10:24:32 PM »
After spending weeks trawling those Diary annexes the data is quite helpful, i found continuous data on 112 951 up to 28 Feb 71 where it was remarked as 406 which is "Beyond Economic Repair"
Heaps of other ARN data and service history to.
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Re: Some Sth Vietnam snippets from documents.
« Reply #41 on: April 02, 2013, 11:38:26 PM »
Ross
Go to 17 Const. Sqn. Diaries 4/4/25 etc and ARN's by the bucket. Trawl it all the way (hours of work but good data)
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Re: Some Sth Vietnam snippets from documents.
« Reply #42 on: April 03, 2013, 01:42:07 PM »
No not yet. I have looked at the dbase workings, and thought how to do it with cut n pastes from the notes
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AirmtN4GydAxdDBBM2lFVHBONHpWajJNd2tPTThEZmc&usp=sharing

... but to enter that info as it stands, halfway, and update the master dbase now... well, I'm waiting until the fresh source of info is exhausted. Otherwise I'd be back again later updating the updates and perhaps getting work duplications.

I might start working through that list and transcribing it to the master database if I get some time tomorrow., or possibly tonight.  Is it ok if I make a notation to say entered in to the master dbase?
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Re: Some Sth Vietnam snippets from documents.
« Reply #43 on: April 03, 2013, 02:23:25 PM »
Actually in light of what you have collated, I have added a documents field to the database to include what documents refer to the vehicle.
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Re: Some Sth Vietnam snippets from documents.
« Reply #44 on: April 03, 2013, 02:35:58 PM »
Just got home, thats a good idea re the extra doc field.

I need that Fog landy (youtube) video that drifter found, I need some Landy therapy.

Rough shift...

found it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZVJGzJ5TT4

thats better
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