Protec Paint

[gromit]

I've been sourcing Protec Camo Green for my IIa GS & FFR.
I recently got some black & brown but the camo pattern on the FFR seems to have been painted in green, black & tan.

Did the FFR use tan rather than brown originally or has the brown just faded ? If it should be tan has anyone found an alkyd enamel or maybe it can be mixed ??

Colin

[glbest]

So to sum up, the colours you need from protec for the current 3 colour paint scheme are:

camouflage green - 342-1166
camouflage tan (brown) - 342-5265
camouflage black - 342-7165

[gromit]

So to sum up, the colours you need from protec for the current 3 colour paint scheme are:

camouflage green - 342-1166
camouflage tan (brown) - 342-5265
camouflage black - 342-7165

Yes & No.
I already have all the colours you listed in rattle cans.

The camouflage tan (brown) is brown (on the can it's listed as brown) not tan and incorrect for my FFR.
The Protec light tan seems to be no longer made.
Initially I was informed that I'd have to buy 12 rattle cans, when I asked about a 4 litre tin I was informed Protec/PPG no longer make it ?!

Looks like I'll have to get a colour match, just need to figure out what I can take off the vehicle as a sample.

Colin

[craigb]

Unless someone resprayed the vehicle using the wrong colours, I'd suggest the tan in your FFR's cam paint might be faded brown. The camouflage brown Protec pressure packs are the correct colour and as a bonus they tend not to fade as quickly as the stuff in the 4 litre tins.

[gromit]

The camouflage brown Protec pressure packs are the correct colour

I just sprayed a sample and the brown isn't anything like the colour on the sleeve over the can. I was assuming it was a dark brown (from the sleeve) especially when Protec also list a light tan.

It's close to the original allowing for some fading so I'll see how far a single can goes with the disruptive pattern.

I don't understand why rattle can paint would fade less than paint in a 4 litre can but...... it could depend on the thinners used and the percentage.
I've been using Toluene when spray painting with good results.
Touch dry in minutes (great if you're spraying outdoors) and then a couple of days to fully harden.


Colin

[craigb]

I don't understand why rattle can paint would fade less than paint in a 4 litre can but...... it could depend on the thinners used and the percentage.

The Protec spray cans have the military IRR treatment in them. The 4 litre tins don't, presumably because the regime dislikes civilians spraying their vehicles with paints that don't glow under active infrared lighting like those in use by ANPRs, mobile phone/seatbelt detection cameras, toll points and such.

Source 1: I have tested objects painted with both the spray paints and the 4 litre tins under active IR illumination with a Gen 3 night vision image intensifier. Spray can paint doesn't glow under active IR light. The other stuff does.

Source 2: I have wolf rims sprayed camouflage brown by a well known retailer which have faded to pink. The spray can-respray (all over camouflage brown) which I did the same weekend as I fitted the wolf rims is still camouflage brown and only slightly faded.

I'm glad you were able to discover through experience that the camouflage brown Protec spray paints are indeed the correct colour for your FFR. It often pays to test these things before opining that a fellow Perentie/mil LR enthusiast is outright wrong because the graphic on your spray can looks like it is a different shade particularly when the label states "lustreless" but the label is glossy, which may have been a clue that it may not be an OCD-level true representation of the colour of the paint in the can.

[gromit]

I don't understand why rattle can paint would fade less than paint in a 4 litre can but...... it could depend on the thinners used and the percentage.

It often pays to test these things before opining that a fellow Perentie/mil LR enthusiast is outright wrong

I'm surprised that you think i suggested that someone was outright wrong as I didn't.

The colour of the sleeve on the can and the fact that Protec list a light tan was my initial concern.
I'd also read that the military paint supplier had changed in the past and, for example, that the Protec green wasn't 'correct' but that was probably Series II rather than Series III.
The light tan may be a better match but the Brown isn't far off allowing for fading on my Series III FFR.

The data sheets for both the 4 litre & spray cans list IRR properties.

Colin