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Machine gun starter
« on: January 02, 2023, 01:41:15 PM »
Hi guys, said I would be annoying with questions soon :) Have had what I believe to be a starter motor issue. On turning the key I had an intermittent machine gun noise from the starter, this has gotten worse & now will not start.  I have replaced the battery with a new one & cleaned terminals, thinking still not getting ignition. Any thoughts to simpler things before I replace the starter motor? Cheers

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Re: Machine gun starter
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2023, 09:39:39 PM »
You said you cleaned the terminals, but have you cleaned where the earth wire connects to the chassis and/or engine block? Could be a poor earth.
Also check the wires on the back of the starter. make sure they are clean and tight. Check the starter is bolted up tight too.

If that is all good, run a wire from the positive battery terminal and touch it to the small wire on the back of the starter motor solenoid. Make sure you're not in gear and you aren't going to get anything caught in the fan.
If it spins over properly, you have a bad connection between the battery and the key, or the key and the starter solenoid wire. This means as soon as the solenoid throws out, the voltage drop caused by the starter spinning causes the solenoid to drop back. That stops the starter spinning and the voltage goes back up, causing the solenoid to throw out again.

If it still chatters, it could be worn contacts in the starter solenoid. It's just a big electro-magnet. When the key sends power to it through the little wire, it shoots out, pushing the starter gear onto the flywheel. At the same time, it closes 2 big contacts inside it, usually big copper blocks. This lets power flow from the big positive wire from the battery across to the actual starter, which makes it spin.
From the description, I would definitely think its poor connections.

Also, you may know everything I've mentioned, but if not, I've tried to explain it in a way anyone who comes up with the same issue can follow. People with older vehicles seem to be more willing to work on them themselves, rather than paying for someone else to fix them. Much of our forum shows up in Google searches. I actually searched something once and found I'd actually answered it in one of my threads, then forgot it.  ;D

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Re: Machine gun starter
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2023, 08:41:18 AM »
Cheers Greg, had a crack at it. Mate said to bridge the contacts with a screwdriver taking the solenoid out of the loop this started the engine so was the solenoid. gave it good going over with the wiring cleaned all contact points as per your advice. Think there may have been a bit of crap in the solenoid contact points as well. Appreciate your time to reply with info & advice :)
So the beast is up & running again happy vegemite.
As to forgetting stuff, Guilty myself! think it comes with age. My Kidults reckon I'm like the Perentie getting old & worn.

Cheers Paul

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Re: Machine gun starter
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2023, 01:57:21 PM »
That is the best explanation about checking a starter I have ever read Greg – thank you!

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Re: Machine gun starter
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2023, 08:06:10 PM »
My first car, when I was 17, was an old Datsun 180B SSS. It had a dodgy starter motor that I couldn't afford to replace, so I got good at pulling it apart to clean the brushes and commutator.
No internet back then so you learn to pay attention to how things go together. :)

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Re: Machine gun starter
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2023, 12:56:57 PM »
I had the same problem with my Hilux; the bushes needed replacing and cost me around 120.00 dollars. Some mobile auto elec do specials in replacing starter motors with new ones rather than exchanging ones because of the cost.
i give it a tap with a hammer.

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Re: Machine gun starter
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2023, 03:48:39 PM »
Issue back again :( bit the bulit & ordered a new Solenoid see how we go Cheers again for the advice much appreciated

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Re: Machine gun starter
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2023, 12:05:30 PM »
ask RACV to have a look at it if not contact a mobile auto elctrician