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FFR interior locker/toolbox and red/white light
« on: September 29, 2017, 10:47:34 PM »
I have a couple of questions about the toolbox style compartment/locker located in the interior of the perentie FFR

1. What was it used for in service? Radio equipment?
2. How is the frame fastened to the floor and the bulkhead? Bolts or rivets? Previous owner stripped mine out and although I'm not doing a full restore on the vehicle to in-service configuration, I'd like to reinstall this locker in its original position.

Also, the interior red/white light has been removed. I have the assembly but it's minus the red and white lenses. Are replacements for the lenses available anywhere?
« Last Edit: September 30, 2017, 07:26:43 AM by craigb »
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Re: FFR rear locker/toolbox and red/white light
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2017, 03:57:41 AM »
Hi,

1) both sides were used for a 24v battery system that was charged from an additional 24v alternator in the engine bay. The batteries were then connected to a power distribution box usually (but not always) mounted internally on the passenger side of the rear tub.

2) I donít know.

3) perhaps hella?  Do a search of the forum, as it may been discussed previously.  I picked up one complete at Corowa earlier this year for $20 (bargain).

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Re: FFR interior locker and red/white light
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2017, 07:26:05 AM »
Thanks again AGAS 5.

I managed to find one of the white light lenses on the Bay of E. If anyone else goes looking, it's off a reverse light for a truck which is Hella part no 1401 (http://db.hella.com.au/cgi-bin/catalogue.pl?flcmd=preview&flmaint=1012). I couldn't find a part number for the clear lens itself.



I won't bother looking for a tac lens since I don't need red light in the rear of the vehicle for my purposes, but I'm guessing they'd be pretty easy to find as a tail light lens. I'll just install another clear lens in its place.

I think I must have been somewhat addled by a few schooners of Great Northern when I originally posted the thread -  I've edited the post for clarification

The locker of which I spoke in the original post is in the interior of the truck. I'll see if the army parts documentation has any clues as to how the frame is fastened to the floor and the bulkhead (?) The rest of it looks pretty easy to install, just eleventyhundred pop rivets, and it's done :-D
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Re: FFR interior locker/toolbox and red/white light
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2017, 08:19:40 AM »
Seatbox is what I call the locker on the floor fixed up against the cab bulkhead. It usually has 4 swingaway pegs (or perhaps the term is quick release pins) on the top surface that secure a baseplate or tray for comms equipment. I noticed that KLR automotive had a pristine steel frame. Do you also need the aluminium trim/skin and locker lid?

Note that the steel tube frame mounts were not insulated from the rear tub or bulkhead aluminium (probably for earthing circuit reasons) so the floor mounting surfaces (after 3 decades) are electrically corroding and you will see the white powdery result. The aluminium floor on my FFR has a pitted appearance in the four floor mounts - the other steelwork of the frame was also a bit rusty. I have seen this mount headache on 4 FFRs to date and am assuming it is happening on them all. Its hidden in the box from easy view. Its a little problem the GS and the RFSV do not have. Perhaps there is a box/frame in the rear of the Senior Commander wagons with a similar problem.

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Re: FFR interior locker/toolbox and red/white light
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2017, 08:31:05 AM »
You could always use the red lens paint, like VHT Night Shades

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Re: FFR interior locker/toolbox and red/white light
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2017, 10:17:06 AM »
Craig,

Do you have a photo of the area you are asking about in point 2 please ?

I think a couple of us have interpreted different things.

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Re: FFR interior locker/toolbox and red/white light
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2017, 10:31:47 AM »
Seatbox is what I call the locker on the floor fixed up against the cab bulkhead. It usually has 4 swingaway pegs (or perhaps the term is quick release pins) on the top surface that secure a baseplate or tray for comms equipment. I noticed that KLR automotive had a pristine steel frame. Do you also need the aluminium trim/skin and locker lid?

Note that the steel tube frame mounts were not insulated from the rear tub or bulkhead aluminium (probably for earthing circuit reasons) so the floor mounting surfaces (after 3 decades) are electrically corroding and you will see the white powdery result. The aluminium floor on my FFR has a pitted appearance in the four floor mounts - the other steelwork of the frame was also a bit rusty. I have seen this mount headache on 4 FFRs to date and am assuming it is happening on them all. Its hidden in the box from easy view. Its a little problem the GS and the RFSV do not have. Perhaps there is a box/frame in the rear of the Senior Commander wagons with a similar problem.

Cheers for the info Carzee. I think I have all the parts for this locker, including the frame, the aluminium skin with lid and I think I also have the pegs you mentioned.


This pic shows the floor area in the back of the vehicle where the locker goes. Thankfully it looks pretty uncorroded. Excuse the mess, I'm still cleaning it out after picking it up the other day.


This one shows the three major components for this locker - the skin, the door and the frame. I haven't yet gotten around to checking the documentation to see if the frame bolts to the floor of the truck or if it's riveted in.

Craig,

Do you have a photo of the area you are asking about in point 2 please ?

I think a couple of us have interpreted different things.

Cheers.

No worries AGAS 5 I attached a picture.

You could always use the red lens paint, like VHT Night Shades



Thanks Diana, that spray may be the only option for anyone wanting a red lens, I had a good look for the red lenses from Hella and I think they may have been discontinued. The clear lenses don't appear in this year's Hella catalogue either, so they may be on the way out too.


EDIT: The pics are both embedded now. Couldn't work out how to have image attachments appear inline with the message text in the right place. Imgur last week had a bbcode link for embedding images in forums, but that functionality appears to have disappeared. Now trialling imagebox. I swear, photobucket broke the internet when they stopped allowing hotlinked/embedded images. If these photo hosting mobs keep chopping and changing I'll think about getting a wordpress blog and using it purely to host images embedding in forums and social media.
« Last Edit: September 30, 2017, 10:47:45 AM by craigb »
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Re: FFR interior locker/toolbox and red/white light
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2017, 10:46:00 AM »
Ok, thanks for that. Disregard what I mentioned earlier.... I was referring to the battery compartments, which are accessed from the outside, on each side of the tub.

The compartment you have pictured was just used for storing detachment stores, radio accessories or tool kits. That frame isnít the standard for the radios... I think I have an idea what it was for, but Iíll check that out a bit further first and get back to you.

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Re: FFR interior locker/toolbox and red/white light
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2017, 10:51:26 AM »
Doh!  Light bulb moment !   The frame is internal to the compartment  lol

I might just sneak away for a cuppa tea now  ;D

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Re: FFR interior locker/toolbox and red/white light
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2017, 11:02:12 AM »
Doh!  Light bulb moment !   The fame is internal to the compartment  lol

I might just sneak away for a cuppa tea now  ;D

Cheers.

Hahaha I thought it was an RFSV ammo can rack when I first saw it! Had me scratching my head since I didn't realise the FFRs had the internal storage locker.
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Re: FFR interior locker/toolbox and red/white light
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2017, 12:18:48 PM »
According to the big PDF file PUBR001 - 4x4 Perentie Combined V1.01.pdf (pages 720 and 721 of the file), the frame (called a "table frame"), fastens to the floor and bulkhead using AFU1350 monobolts. a whole bunch of them. Anyone have a local supplier for these? I found them on a UK site - http://www.paddockspares.com/afu1350-monobolt.html



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Re: FFR interior locker and red/white light
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2017, 10:53:03 PM »
If anyone else goes looking, it's off a reverse light for a truck which is Hella part no 1401 (http://db.hella.com.au/cgi-bin/catalogue.pl?flcmd=preview&flmaint=1012). I couldn't find a part number for the clear lens itself.


The page you have linked to lists the part number for the clear lens, it's Hella No 9.1401.01

The red lamp assy is a Hella 2382, which is no longer in production, but you might still be able to pick up a red lens, P/N 9.2382.01

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Re: FFR interior locker/toolbox and red/white light
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2017, 11:24:35 PM »
I have purchased a complete interior FFR light unit from a guy who purchased parts from the AWOL auction some time ago. His price is n reasonable, I could check if hwe has any more.

My FFR had some corrosion around the interior frame where it meets the floor. I cleaned it up and treated it with Penetrol. Not much air circulation in that compartment either. 

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Re: FFR interior locker/toolbox and red/white light
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2017, 07:00:01 AM »
According to the big PDF file PUBR001 - 4x4 Perentie Combined V1.01.pdf (pages 720 and 721 of the file), the frame (called a "table frame"), fastens to the floor and bulkhead using AFU1350 monobolts. a whole bunch of them. Anyone have a local supplier for these? I found them on a UK site - http://www.paddockspares.com/afu1350-monobolt.html

You might find them closer to home, try this one, just found on Google;
https://www.bolt.com.au/structural-rivets-monobolt-c-1010_1410_1435_1436.html

They have branches in Qld, NSW and Vic.

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Re: FFR interior locker/toolbox and red/white light
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2017, 09:54:40 PM »
Thanks for the info guys.

I'll put two of the clear lenses onto the red/white lamp since my FFR is a camping vehicle. With the rest of the radio-specific gear the light was cut off and stored by the previous owner, so after I reinstall the light I'll probably change the bulbs to LED and rewire or replace the switch. Any parts I don't use will be stored in the event I ever sell the vehicle to another enthusiast.

Thanks for the link and the info on the monobolts Richard. I have decided that since I'm not doing a complete restore on the vehicle, I will use some steel bolts. Galvanic whatsamathingy is a concern with both the bolts and the interface between the steel frame and the aluminium skin of the truck bed, so liberal application of liquid electrical tape to all dissimilar surfaces where they interface should hopefully see that potential issue solved before it becomes a problem. 
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