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Trailer, Cargo 1/2 Ton, 2 Wheeled, Aust No. 5 - 101-001
« on: February 07, 2017, 11:35:14 AM »

This production still from the original 1986 Department of Defence 1-hour Bush Tucker Man documentary shows the No. 5 trailer with Landcruiser split rims to match the tow vehicle (Les Hiddins' HJ47 landcruiser troopy).

The tow vehicle for my No. 5 trailer is a BJ40 landcruiser shorty and in the interests of commonality with the tow vehicle I'd like to fit 6-stud landcruiser hubs to the trailer. Does anyone have any documentation or advice on swapping over to landcruiser-compatible hubs? Any info on the original parts used by the army would be great. I'd rather use the original parts than grab some generic landcruiser-compatible trailer hubs off ebay or supercheap auto.
« Last Edit: March 06, 2017, 09:06:24 PM by craigb »
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Re: In-service No.5 Trailer with 6-stud toyota landcruiser hubs and split rims
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2017, 04:21:32 PM »
They are not listed in my RPS for the No5 trailer cheers Dennis :)

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Re: In-service No.5 Trailer with 6-stud toyota landcruiser hubs and split rims
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2017, 05:33:53 PM »
They are not listed in my RPS for the No5 trailer cheers Dennis :)

Thanks for checking for me Dennis. I was looking at a bunch of the EMEIs for the army HJ47 Troopies and couldn't see anything either, not surprising I guess. I'll keep looking.
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Re: In-service No.5 Trailer with 6-stud toyota landcruiser hubs and split rims
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2017, 04:19:25 PM »
I purchased the remains of an ex-mil no.5 trailer in early 1991 in Townsville. One of its faults was an axle with a shattered cast iron hub, probably because the original Landy wheel studs had voluntarily removed themselves while still moving.

As I have always towed this trailer with a restored 1981 Nissan KR160 Patrol (MQ Shorty) which has a wider track than a landy or No 5, I gave the original axle to a grateful Landy owner. I had a spare Nissan MQ front axle lying about, so it was a no brainer to follow the no. 5 OEM axle idea and improve on their design.

I fabricated a 50mm bright mild steel axle with a machined flange welded each end to allow Nissan MQ Front Stub Axles to be mounted using the same track as the tow vehicle.

In 2016, I retrofitted Nissan MQ/GQ discs and calipers. Powered by an Alco IQ7 air over hydraulic actuator and controlled by a Redarc Tow Pro Elite controller it is a brilliant combination.

There are many advantages to this approach which allows the use of the Nissan hubs, discs and callipers. Increased track and choice of wheel or tyre sixe for example.

I used this axle for 23 years before refitting the discs to the Nissan Rotors, largely because of a recent trailer length increase and weight; and because of a scare I had in 2014 on the Maytown to Laura coach road.  :-[

I can post pictures of the axle if required.

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Re: In-service No.5 Trailer with 6-stud toyota landcruiser hubs and split rims
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2017, 10:00:51 AM »
Thanks for the info Nobby!

I'd be interested to see your setup.

I may need to go the same route and throw a whole new axle under the trailer and put the original trailer axle and wheels into storage.

Cheers mate!
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Re: In-service No.5 Trailer with 6-stud toyota landcruiser hubs and split rims
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2017, 01:35:42 PM »
cookey on this forum has a workshop trailer with Land Cruiser wheels.  You may be able to talk him into swapping the axle.
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Re: In-service No.5 Trailer with 6-stud toyota landcruiser hubs and split rims
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2017, 03:23:12 PM »
cookey on this forum has a workshop trailer with Land Cruiser wheels.  You may be able to talk him into swapping the axle.

Thanks mate,

Just sent him a  PM.

Cheers!
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Re: In-service No.5 Trailer with 6-stud toyota landcruiser hubs and split rims
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2017, 03:37:46 PM »
cookey on this forum has a workshop trailer with Land Cruiser wheels.  You may be able to talk him into swapping the axle.
Thanks mate,
Just sent him a  PM.
Cheers!
Did he get back to you?
We were looking at the trailer over the weekend and he's O.K. with the plan if it's an axle swap.  Trailer currently in Leppington NSW.
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Re: In-service No.5 Trailer with 6-stud toyota landcruiser hubs and split rims
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2017, 04:42:15 PM »
No response to the PM so far.

If he's good with it that's great because I am too :-)

I'm about an hour south of that location so it sounds like a great idea to me.
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This idea fell through, so I'll go with Plan B, which is to take the trailer into a trailer place and see if they can match up all the No. 5 bearings and splindles and things with a set of suitable commercial off the shelf 6-stud hubs.

The Olympic Steeltrek tyres on the trailer are brand new, so I'm not sure whether I'll swap them over to the 6-stud split rims or sell them and the perentie rims to help fund a set of new hi-milers like the tow vehicle is running.
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« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2017, 09:05:22 PM »
Now that the weather has cleared up I finally got the chance to respray the outside of the tub today. Apart from stripping and then priming some small areas of surface rust I left the camouflage paint and markings intact underneath a couple of brand new coat of olive drab.

I still have to do inside the tub and underneath the trailer, but it's looking pretty good already, especially with new canvas.
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ARN 49-215 Truck, Utility, Lightweight, FFR, Winch, MC2 "Frankie" -1989
ARN 101-001 Trailer, Cargo, Ton, 2 Wheeled, Aust. No. 5 - 1963