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112-501 brake refurb after 17 years.
« on: May 06, 2016, 07:42:01 PM »
Today I moved a few trucks around (Op Rubics Cube) positioned 112-501 in front of the shed, took a short drive and bought 5 meters of bundy tubing

jacked her up placed axle stands under, remove wheels, strip brake components


it took approx. 2 hours for me to strip all the brake parts from each corner of the vehicle.
 The brakes were new parts 17 years ago, they still work OK but it has been niggling away at me for some time to have them sleeved in Stainless, so while I was at it I thought I would check and replace any brake tubing that looks suspect, the wheel cylinders were still in good order

all other sundry items were bagged n tagged

anyway they should arrive at their destination on Monday with Express Post (hopefully) might get them back by late next week, next job is to remove the brake pendant as the M/cyl has a weep so it's being replaced as well, and that will mean new pipe works as the new cylinder is a CV unit, anyway cheers Dennis

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Re: 112-501 brake refurb after 17 years.
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2016, 07:57:28 PM »
Moving along as I have too, as if I don't do it no-one will, I had a lazy start today (few other things to do) anyway the offending/leaking item

the system had been sucked out using a 20ml syringe, that way it makes less mess and the possibility of spraying brake fluid when wrestling with the unit getting it out.
 The simplest way is to remove the brake/clutch reservoir and the bracket that supports it, that allows you to swing it around and lift it out, still a little bit of difficulty.
 With that out of the way, a rag placed over the clutch inlet pipe, I had removed all the screws on the floor sections and removed it, gee it was a simple task with no brake pedal in the way

the area looks comparatively clean after almost 17 years, I will need to source some OD paint though as the leak caused the paint to blister as it does.
 Onto the bench with the pendant assembly remove old CB cylinder and replace with the new CV type, re-fit to the bulkhead, make up new delivery tube from resv<>master cylinder

With that task completed the LHS guard was removed as I'm replacing the brake tubing on that side, it has it's own set differing degrees of difficulty s well

next take some rough measurements of length (near enough) add them all up allow a little extra and hope you have enough tubing, I have a 'RIDGID' brand double flaring tool it has been put to good use again today, anyway a double flare was applied to one end of the 3/16" dia tubing, 3/8"UNF female fitting slipped on then a rough bend was applied before using a small tool that I had to make as I can't find the old one I have had for years LOL

this acts the same as the flex hose, and it also allows you to bend the tubing around in that curve that is so LHS front Series 2A

I knocked off around 1600hrs as I had strained a muscle in my right upper arm, if it isn't raining tomorrow maybe I will have that fancy bit of pipe work completed, it would be a 10 minute job with no gearbox/Tcase, but I'm not going to remove them just to do this, wish me luck, cheers Dennis

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Re: 112-501 brake refurb after 17 years.
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2016, 01:38:51 PM »
I had to make a new brake outlet pipe today, as the old one would not line up no matter what I did to the M/cyl, so out with the tools again

the fitting was too short it's a 3/8"UNF thread on the tube nut, I swapped them at the brake place which is only 700 meters from home.
I had cleaned up and repainted the floor section (RHS) and repainted the footwell, re-fitted the floor sections, only waiting now for the rejuvenated
wheel cylinders in Stainless steel, they will most likely arrive tomorrow while I'm at work, anyway cheers Dennis

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Re: 112-501 brake refurb after 17 years.
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2016, 06:45:54 PM »
My re-sleeved items arrived yesterday morning, so I set about getting things organized to refit them

nice n neat aren't they

I fitted the left front first then worked my way around on the LHS

I had moved and fitted the RHS front then onto the last cylinder, shock horror the tube nut was up dead tight and the bundy tube was still loose I could move it about .5mm I quickly removed the wheel cylinder and had a look, it then dawned on me what was wrong, there were no brass nipples in the bottom of the threaded hole to pick up the 'double flare' and thus tighten the whole assembly making it leak free

I rang the brake place that did the re-sleeve, they could mail me some and I might get them in about 5 days time that was no damn good to me, so I sourced what I needed 700 meters from home

I got 4 of them, I didn't fit them to the front cylinders as the flex hose doesn't have a double flare and is too short on the flange to reach the bottom of the hole.
 The next job was how to fit them, I thought I had better make a very short length of tubing with a double flare, this would be used to 'flare out' the item so it wouldn't come adrift next time I have to undo or remove the cylinder

using a Number drill on the plain section of the drill, located the hole in the bottom of the cylinder, then with a pair of surgical tweezers pushed the '? Olive' home, then screwed in my short tool to seat it, it was a success.
 I still needed to renew the rear brake pipes, I had bought 5 meters of tubing and it has basically almost disappeared underneath 112-501

it is very uncomfortable working in a confined space underneath the Land Rover using my tubing bender, but I managed

so I guess if my T/A is back on her feet tomorrow I will have a go at bleeding the system and hopefully there will be no leaks, wish me luck, cheers Dennis
 ps the LHS rear tubing was old and it must have had a tight spot on it when refitted to the wheel cylinder thus I couldn't feel any movement, I checked and it was the same as the RHS nothing for the double flare to seat on,,.
 
 

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Re: 112-501 brake refurb after 17 years.
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2016, 02:29:10 PM »
Well another day, brakes bled and adjusted took all of 30 minutes, it took me longer to refit the wheels and torque the nuts, test drive, from 35MPH it pulls up reasonably quickly and in a straight line, now stored away again, cheers Dennis

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Re: 112-501 brake refurb after 17 years.
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2016, 06:31:31 PM »
Those cylinders look terrific Dennis, that's that job done, no need for new cylinders in the future. (hopefully)

Did the re sleeving mob remove the original copper nipples from the fittings?

Do the brake and clutch master cylinders also have these?

I'll have to watch out for that if I get any of mine done.

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Mike.

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Re: 112-501 brake refurb after 17 years.
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2016, 08:56:31 AM »
Yes Mike I would say they removed them (dunno why???) 112-501 has had the clutch slave cylinder sleeved in Stainless, the brake wheel cylinders were genuine Land Rover parts that I bought back in 1999, so I think this job will outlast me (67y.o) LOL, my biggest problem is that all but 1 (110-850) live here @19 B.O.D, 112-501 has a heavy duty poly tarp covering her and with my back n shoulder injuries and ever decreasing height (shrinking) I find it difficult un-tarping to move it out of the way so I can get any of the other 6 that are trapped by 112-501's presence in the driveway.
It has to be covered at all times as we have a 'Flying Fox' problem here, there is a large colony about 2 k's away and they fly over every evening/morning to n fro whatever they are feeding on, 113-372 had to have a section of the tub re-painted after some thoughtless critter s88t on it, the excreta ate right down to the bare alloy, it is very strong stuff, cheers Dennis
ps Only my Series 1 has had the brake M/cyl sleeved in Stainless, I only did that because S1 M/cyl's are very hard to come by,.