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Re: Perentie Paint Plate
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2015, 08:18:51 PM »
Interesting. Sorry for the highjack, bit I guess its all related.

One more thing, what's with green seen on surveys?



Same as every other Perentie. The Olive Drab inside and under the AUS Cam PUP outside. Just more paint. Tropical roof may or may not be AUS Cam most are a fiberglass gel coat like the Brown.

Sorry but this doesn't make sense. A mate has a survey and the green on it is a lighter, brighter, kind of more lime and my truck has just the olive drab.

If its in a photo it will never look the same even an image of the same Perentie in another light will look way off colour.





They all looked like this in olive drab first.





110 Perentie - Auscam DP Camouflage
 When the Perentie 110 models were manufactured from 1987 they were also factory painted that same Olive Drab colour, though the paint itself was technically much improved. However not long after production began the painting switched from plain olive drab, to the Dispersal Pattern Camouflage (DPC) more commonly known as Auscam. The vehicles that participated in project Perentie were all in olive drab, photos of those vehicles can be seen on the Project Perentie page.

At sometime before the new SASR 6x6 LRPVs were delivered to the Army, the Auscam became the official scheme. It has gradually (over the 1990's decade) been applied to the whole "green" fleet, from Mack 6x6 Dumpers to the ½ ton trailer. This approved "disruptive pattern" paint scheme ("Auscam") was factory painted on the batch of the Land-Rover TD5 110s in the year 2000 indicating it is still the current scheme. This big fleet colour changeover job was still in progress at some Australian Army Reserve depots as late as 2001. It seems vehicles were repainted as the opportunity eventuated or when the vehicle's original Olive Drab paint had faded and thinned out to the point where it started to look neglected and in need of TLC. Vehicles which were rebuilt or had major repairs undertaken were also repainted. http://www.remlr.com/paint.html#110cam

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Re: Perentie Paint Plate
« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2015, 08:36:57 PM »
Sorry but this doesn't make sense. A mate has a survey and the green on it is a lighter, brighter, kind of more lime and my truck has just the olive drab.

My understanding is that the lighter green that you've seen is the NIRR paint some Perenties have. I've noticed that colour - and it's very distinctive - on vehicles with the NIRR sticker anyway.

Is NIRR paint different to PUP? Too many initialisms.

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Re: Perentie Paint Plate
« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2015, 09:49:07 PM »
Sorry but this doesn't make sense. A mate has a survey and the green on it is a lighter, brighter, kind of more lime and my truck has just the olive drab.

My understanding is that the lighter green that you've seen is the NIRR paint some Perenties have. I've noticed that colour - and it's very distinctive - on vehicles with the NIRR sticker anyway.

Is NIRR paint different to PUP? Too many initialisms.

Hi Dervish
NIRR stands for Night Infer Red Reflecting It is Polyurethane paint,  and PUP stands for Palmer Unitrd Party as well as PolyUrethane Paint. The lighter colour green is not a different colour green as many claim infact the lighter colour green is caused by a phenomenon called fading. If you look at the areas of the lighter coloured vehicles that haven't been exposed to the elements you will see that they are the correct colour. All the colours used in defence are based on the Federal Standard which is the American equivalent of the Australian colour standard. They use a number system which denotes the sheen and colour.

The colors in the Federal Standard set have no official names, just five-digit numbers. Any names given below are generic.

The first figure can be 1,2 or 3 and indicates the level of sheen:

1 = gloss
2 = semi gloss
3 = matt
The second figure of the code indicates a general color classification group;


  0 = Brown 5 = Blue
  1 = Red 6 = Grey
  2 = Orange 7 = Other (white, black, violet, metallic)
  3 = Yellow 8 = Fluorescent
  4 = Green
The federal standard for the camouflage green is 34088 the tan has another number as well as the black. Yhe tan ad black are the same as the blachhawks and kiowas. the green used un the blachawks is different to the kiowas and the green used on the vehicles is different again.

I hope you are confused now.
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Re: Perentie Paint Plate
« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2015, 09:58:18 PM »
One thing I forgot is the number shown on the sitcker is the manufacturers code for that colour. That particular number is only good for that manufacturer which is Anzol. Anzol does not exist any more it was swollowed up by Valspar, which do not have any defence contracts at the moment.
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Re: Perentie Paint Plate
« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2015, 10:06:36 PM »
I'm still dubious, it is hard to believe it is faded protec camo green. I'll try get some side by side photos.
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Re: Perentie Paint Plate
« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2015, 10:36:47 PM »
I'm still dubious, it is hard to believe it is faded protec camo green. I'll try get some side by side photos.

For all the doubt′ing Thom′as out there. If you have a look at the picture you will see the original colour of the green where the canopy covers the top of the rear guard, it fades away as it becomes exposed to the uv.
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Re: Perentie Paint Plate
« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2015, 07:02:13 PM »
and some more proof
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Re: Perentie Paint Plate
« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2015, 09:39:09 AM »
Everything Rod said ^^







except that NIRR is NEAR Infra-red reflectance.
Additionally;
PUP was also chosen for its resistance to chemical attack and ease of de-contam. As patchpainting with PUP wasn't done due to the specific equipment needed, it was authorised to use enamel pressure packs. Info about the Safety issues and the Enamel paint codes can be found here- http://afmsafety.com.au/safety/all-vehicles/
Click on the Paint Repair policy link and you will download the relevant EMEI.
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Re: Perentie Paint Plate
« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2015, 06:51:01 AM »
Thanks for your explanations and  additions to the knowledge base Dave and Rod.

So here I go, sticking my neck out again. I was easing some bolts into the corroded threads of the aerial mounts yesterday with WD40.

When that "lighter" shade of green is subject to WD40, or overnight dew, or even a drop or two of oil, it returns to being an identical colour to the original shade of OG until it dries.

Therefore, the "fading" explanation works for me.

Also, those who have used lanolin or some other witch's brew on their external finish may not have noticed the lighter shade at all  :)
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Re: Perentie Paint Plate
« Reply #24 on: August 23, 2015, 07:33:07 AM »
OK - overnight dew, aerial mount



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Re: Perentie Paint Plate
« Reply #25 on: October 15, 2015, 07:51:14 PM »
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