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Re: Vehicles Spotted for Sale
« Reply #1440 on: August 12, 2017, 10:46:21 AM »
Of course, it would put an end to this conundrum if REMLR member No39 just bought this vehicle and reunited all the correct parts!  :)

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Re: Vehicles Spotted for Sale
« Reply #1441 on: August 12, 2017, 05:59:59 PM »
The arn went with the new vehicle as per australian army arn books this blokee nos this he is trying to pass it of as 112 166 to get more money from the vehicle
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Re: Vehicles Spotted for Sale
« Reply #1442 on: August 12, 2017, 06:23:32 PM »
Thanks, Scott. Do you have any current pics of the REAL 112-166?

I note that we also discussed this vehicle in this very thread back in Aug 16.

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Re: Vehicles Spotted for Sale
« Reply #1443 on: August 12, 2017, 06:29:14 PM »
Hope to have series 2 guards on it soon
1961 112 166 workshop truck
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Re: Vehicles Spotted for Sale
« Reply #1444 on: August 12, 2017, 10:05:47 PM »
Looks good, you'll just have to stand in front of the guards until you get a Ser 2 pair. And some DBG paint.

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Re: Vehicles Spotted for Sale
« Reply #1445 on: August 13, 2017, 12:19:55 AM »
The arn went with the new vehicle as per australian army arn books this blokee nos this he is trying to pass it of as 112 166 to get more money from the vehicle
Well if you look at the REMLR records that chassis is listed on two separate ARN and your chassis appears only to be listed as a comment.

However it is an ongoing debate amongst a few of us about vehicle identities and what happened on the rebuild lines, people who worked there during SVN have told me personally the plates were pulled off when they arrived for the rebuild.  The vehicle was then completely stripped down and various major assemblies sent to various stations for checking and repair.  If they were within spec they were cleaned and/or re-painted and placed back on the line for build up, often chassis, engines and other components needed significant repair so would be sent to the chassis shop or engine line for overhaul and sometimes return significantly out of order. We have no way of tracking which particular body panels went where or which panels were replaced with new items, we only know what census went into the rebuild line and the census that it came out with.  There is also the frequent occurrence where a unit required a vehicle with a particular census returned and sometimes, rather than delaying the return of a vehicle to a unit their allocated ARN was stuck on the next available vehicle with that census.  Therefore the ARN plates may be stuck on a collection of major assemblies and body panels that had no relationship to the original vehicle the ARN came in on.  The ARN plates themselves were often re-made and affixed at the end of the re-build line.

Given the above various scenario where does the vehicle history attach, to a set of plates that may have no relationship to what's between them or to the identifiable component with the serial number.  I have a gun buggy, the chassis number started service spacing a set of ARN plates that went to SVN, it went through the rebuild line after its SVN service.  When it exited the rebuild line the original chassis number and original engine number were recorded against another ARN.  We have no idea what happened to the original ARN but it appears that is was disposed of about the time of the rebuild. It was my chassis that served in SVN and given that it exited the rebuild line with the same engine number, I choose to believe that my vehicle served in SVN and it spent the remainder of its service with a different identity.  Others may have the converse opinion and choose to take the ARN as the history and that's O.K. too.
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Re: Vehicles Spotted for Sale
« Reply #1446 on: August 13, 2017, 08:15:35 AM »
Diana if you have a look at the awm arn books it will show you the arn went to the new chassis the other chassis was issues a new arn
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1961 112 166 workshop truck
1964 101 410 workshop trailer
1969 175 252 fft radio truck

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Re: Vehicles Spotted for Sale
« Reply #1447 on: August 13, 2017, 08:20:57 AM »

It comes back to the issue/debate about the identity of vehicles, ......  IMHO if 153101763 was the chassis under 112-166 in SVN then the SVN history remains with that chassis and not with the subsequent GS body and ARN ....

How could these so called civilian rules possibly have anything to do with military history, particularly when the military system in place then and now tracked the vehicle identity by ARN.

Yes it had a chassis swap. Who cares ? All that does is add to the vehicles story...  112-166 still served in Vietnam and is lucky to have such a rich pictorial history.
That's the problem though, which vehicle can lay claim to the "rich pictorial history"? The SVN chassis with a 2A GS body on it (the "for sale" vehicle 174-434), or another 2A chassis with the Series 2 Workshop body that features in all the pictures (Scott's 112-166)? Or do both? Or was 112-166 parted out and no longer exists as a "vehicle with history"?
I think all 3 arguments have some traction in different scenarios, but I think in this case it overwhemingly points to Scott's vehicle being the legitmate descendant. It is undeniable that there is no longer a discrete, complete, preserved whole vehicle that was the original Census 6032 display model that went to Vietnam, but it is clear that the Army viewed Scott's vehicle throughout it's rebuild as the same one in identity, type and role until it left the Army, and Scott continues to present that vehicle in that form. And in that respect, it is a perfect  history of the way the Army treated vehicles.

It may be something of a "Grandfather's Axe" with replacement parts introduced throughout it's life (and that major replacement is noted and recorded), but it is more of that axe than the one for sale on e-bay.
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Re: Vehicles Spotted for Sale
« Reply #1448 on: August 13, 2017, 08:31:31 AM »
Of course, it would put an end to this conundrum if REMLR member No39 just bought this vehicle and reunited all the correct parts!  :)
Just sayin'!   :)

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Re: Vehicles Spotted for Sale
« Reply #1449 on: August 13, 2017, 12:00:59 PM »
Army vehicle management certainly did have 'special' moments !

I did the stocktake at 2 Sig Regt when it closed in 1992. One of the many discrepancies was that of Unimog 38-666. It was in an accident on the way home from Ex Kangaroo 89, the co-driver was lucky to survive as he was ejected through the hatch during the roll over.

38-666 was a complete wreck and written off. As far as the Regiment was concerned, it was disposed of through the system. The paperwork to take it off the Regiment's books was never completed however, so it was theoretically 'missing' during the stocktake and was reported as such.

During the 'please explain' to the Minister over the stocktake discrepancy (it was substantial) the question was brought up as to why we were writing off a vehicle that still existed....

Apparently 38-666 was sent to the apprentice school at Bandiana, where it was to be converted to a training aid. Except it wasn't. The apprentices were given the task of rebuilding it. Parts from other wrecks were used and she was put back on the road and was running around Bandiana...  All quite illegally mind you, even by Army standards back then. I understand she was taken off the road and became a training aid only once the powers to be found out.

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Re: Vehicles Spotted for Sale
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Re: Vehicles Spotted for Sale
« Reply #1451 on: August 23, 2017, 09:31:49 AM »

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Re: Vehicles Spotted for Sale
« Reply #1453 on: September 04, 2017, 08:15:43 PM »
Hey, remember these?: http://remlr.com/forum/index.php?topic=2101.15

The buyer of "Two" and "Three" has now listed "Two" for sale, ARN 48-637 (and Three is there in the background). The description is a bit cryptic, hints at the vehicle being unroadworthy or unregistrable, but doesn't specify what the mechanic's advice relates to. When auctioned, there was an issue with the engines, but now the engine and gearbox are apparently good, there is another fault with the vehicle that is the issue (firewall rust, chassis damage??).

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/fitzroy/cars-vans-utes/1989-land-rover-perentie-gs-/1158137941

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