178-065 " MR WORKSHOP "

[FFRMAN]

Attached photo of my 1964 2A workshop with tray off before I started the restoration, see the square second rear cross member (it has a whole cut in it roughly by oxy torch after service), different than Juddy's later series 3 type.

[juddy]

Well another day another Workshop job or 2 completed.

Refitted new shoes and cylinders, this was a bit of a fight, the low point of this little mission was one of the threaded shafts on a new brake cylinder snapping off.  I can only really blame myself here, as it was a Brit-Part item, I was trying to save some money and it did not work, as a rule I try and avoid the stuff, and from now on i will stick to that



Next Up was the rear bearing and seal replacement, this went alot better than the brakes.



We then started on the Brake Pipes, I have used a Automec ready made kit ( we now stock these if anyones Interested ) discount for any REMLR member.....  Very nice bit of kit, and very simple to install, genuine new brake pipe shields, clips and grommets were also used ( We can also supply these ).  I have yet to do the forward part of the vehicle with the Automec kit, but I am confident it will be as simple as the rear.



Lastly fitted the genuine Land Rover Genuine rear mudflaps ( this came with a fitting kit ) I have a set to go on the front when we get there..

[Ellard]

Hi there Judy

The rebuild is going well - as for:

I can only really blame myself here, as it was a xxxxx item, I was trying to save some money and it did not work, as a rule I try and avoid the stuff, and from now on i will stick to that

I must admit I also been caught out........

Wayne

[Phoenix]

How do the brake pipe kits work?  they all come in lengths, or with a bender to bend. 

What are the lines made of, copper or steel? 

I'll be needing ALL brake and clutch lines replaced on my ambulance as most rusted away.  So a whole solution kit is of interest to me.

[juddy]

Theres 2 options

1 Is a kit, all the lengths are pre cut to the original spec with the correct fittings, all the fittings have a number on them corresponding to the correct location for fitting.  You unbend yourself, I was apprehensive at first in doing this, but it was not a problem.  I have only done the back so far on mine, the only extras you will need are the rubber grommets and clips if required..

2 Buy the rolls and brass unions and make up yourself.  Theres a number of flaring tools to pick from as well as a clamp a punch set.

Standard  is Copper ( The supplier in Australia supplies the better Copper Nickel version as standard )

Theres a kit for every land rover ever made.........

[Phoenix]

I didn't think copper lines were allowed in australia?  I thought they had to be steel?

[juddy]

Never heard there not.....

[korg20000bc]

I didn't think copper lines were allowed in australia?  I thought they had to be steel?

I have heard this too.

[juddy]

Soure:
http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle_regulation/bulletin/pdf/NCOP5_Section_LG_Brakes_V2_01Jan2011.pdf

Depending on where you look most sites selling the stuff and a UK Copper industry body suggests that the copper-nickel product does meet SAE J1407.

However I still couldn't find a definitive answer though.

If you are pro copper-nickel then you could interpret it that because it meets SAE J1407 that you should be able to use it and that the reference in 2.4.7 refers to copper and not copper-nickel.

If you are anti copper lines then you could argue that 2.4 which says "...must be made from steel..." excludes the use of other alloys.

So still not a conclusive interpretation either way, but at least copper-nickel, if you choose to use it, does sound a lot more practical than pure copper tubing.

[juddy]

Normally Priced at AU$xxx inc GST + shipping

Cunifer CNF-3 - 3/16"/4.75mm OD tubing x 25 foot

Cunifer� is a seamless, copper nickel alloy DOT approved for brake and hydraulic lines.


From a Australian Suppliers website

As strong as steel
Completely corrosion proof
Easier to work with than any other brake line.

All tubing conforms to hydraulic brake tubing specifications:
SAE J1650, DIN 74234 BS 2871 FMVSS-106.

High performance manufacturers such as Aston Martin, Porsche, Volvo and Audi have chosen to install copper-nickel alloy over all other materials including stainless steel brake lines.
article: copper-nickel brake tubing

It is easy to bend, does not distort and can be snaked into positions that conventional brake lines cannot. Cunifer� also flares easier, seals better and requires less preparation than any other tubing on the market. It does not rust, so it is perfect for any environment.

[Phoenix]

para 2.7.4 Hydraulic Pipes certainly states "Copper tubing must not be used for hydraulic brakes"

2.4 COMPONENT STANDARDS is pretty clear to my mind, "Hydraulic pipes must be made from steel bundy tube complying with SAE J1047 or equivalent" .  Meaning that the steel tube needs to comply, not must comply with standard.  I jsut wish I could remmeber where I heard it before.  I'll have to ring a mate who is a transport inspector and ask.

[juddy]

Have to look into this more, but from what I have read so far, these products are fine.

[cookey]

In my experience, in NSW, the ONLY brake tubing that is legal AS A REPLACEMENT is steel bundy tubing.

Some imported vehicles are now coming in with alloy tubing.
In these cases the manufacturer is responsible for certifying that the items / vehicles meet compliance.

I have been involved in a number of L to R conversions and the rules are very specific regarding steel tubing.

Check out page 7 on this link.

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle_regulation/bulletin/pdf/vsb_04.pdf



Also found this for Qld.


From Queensland Transport

HYDRAULIC LINES
Reasons for rejection:
• Hydraulic lines are not securely mounted, not free from damage or corrosion, show evidence
of leakage and are not constructed of approved material. (See Note 1)

NOTES:
(1) Normal commercial copper tubing has been prohibited from use in brake systems
because it is considered prone to cracking due to work hardening. However, there is a
Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) Recommended Practice called Tubing – Motor
Vehicle Brake Tubing Hydraulic – SAE J1047 which is the accepted industry standard.
Persons wishing to use copper tube for vehicle hydraulic brake lines, must first provide
proof of compliance with SAE J1047 or equivalent standard.

Cookey

[juddy]

Automec products are saej1047 compliant.

[Phoenix]

Ok, I asked my mate who is a transport inspector for the tas tpt department.  He ckecked with the state standards manager and confirmed Copper Brake lines can not be used.

Not sure where that leaves the copper nickel ones.