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Offline Diana Alan

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Re: Vietnam Vet, 164-64? 6x6 Bitumen sprayer
« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2013, 08:45:06 PM »
There is always an answer!  8)

I wonder why 171-699 didn't get an ARN change and why, when they had two F1 Bituminous sprayers, they would take a Thornycroft which was an orphan in regards to parts chain in country?

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Re: Vietnam Vet, 164-64? 6x6 Bitumen sprayer
« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2013, 11:06:14 AM »
An explanation for it all! Check the data base for 171700."truck F1 originally 6247B (truck chassis) transferred to 6ESR for conversion to bituminous sprayer. returned to engineers NOW 164643" 171 699 went through the same process. The chassis no for these two trucks were 1766 and 1768
Just out of interest, what is 6ESR?
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Re: Vietnam Vet, 164-64? 6x6 Bitumen sprayer
« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2013, 11:18:58 AM »
I had the answer in the database and didn't even know it.  That's the trouble when these things get so big.  I think there is 25,000 vehicles in the database last time I looked.
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Re: Vietnam Vet, 164-64? 6x6 Bitumen sprayer
« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2013, 01:37:12 PM »
ESR = Engineer Stores Regiment.

HQ at 6 Engineer Stores Depot, Penrith, I think. 

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Re: Vietnam Vet, 164-64? 6x6 Bitumen sprayer
« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2013, 01:38:59 PM »
If we are to follow our regular procedure it should be listed as the ARN it left service with.  Or in this case it should have a listing for the 171-700 without details and a note saying see 164-643?

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Re: Vietnam Vet, 164-64? 6x6 Bitumen sprayer
« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2013, 08:54:49 PM »
Dianna, you didn't open a can of worms, you opened a whole slab of them! The question of why 171700 had its ARN changed and 699 didn't could be due to any one of a number of reasons. Reading Mikes comments about the block of ARNs allocated to engineering equipment, it may have been that the block was exhausted at that time. and 699 couldn't be allocated a 164 number. The question then is why did 700 change? It may be that the sprayer used on 700 was transferred from another vehicle with that ARN. The sprayer would be a complex piece of plant and would have a log book and service record of its own, and for continuity it might explain the ARN switch. If 699 had a new sprayer fitted then the truck would have kept its ARN, especially if the Engineers block of ARNs was exhausted. The later sprayer trucks kept their own ARN like 699 too. It might be that there were no more numbers available in that block and there was not another block available, or there was a simple change in policy. It is really all speculation, but someone may come up with an answer.
There is a problem with the description of trucks in the records, as there is a lack of any hard and fast rules as to when the description is accurate. 171699 and 700 were produced as cab chassis, but are described as sprayers in the records, but the Mk3 tippers are described as truck chassis as produced. We know that they were disposed of as tippers, but it's not reflected in the records. That's why it was so hard to track them down.
It might be an idea to search the SVN records for 699, it might be there and slipped under the radar because it was listed as an F1. I've just come across some published photos of SVN trucks and some of the ARNs aren't  on the database, once I've had a close look with magnifier I'll post them. Anyway there was some good teamwork on this one. Keep on keeping on.

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Re: Vietnam Vet, 164-64? 6x6 Bitumen sprayer
« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2013, 11:20:54 PM »
I find it all quite fascinating, particularly when we consider the later tar trucks to SVN which were never changed from cab chassis.
174-701    1969    -    F1    6247B    Chassis, Truck, 5 Ton, GS, With Winch    6.283.10056    2612    -    1200x20
174-702    1969    -    F1    6247B    Chassis, Truck, 5 Ton, GS, With Winch    6.283.10062    2611    -    1200x20    

I wonder if 164-643 was a tank and distributor unit that came off another truck like the Thornycroft that did end up in SVN.

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Re: Vietnam Vet, 164-64? 6x6 Bitumen sprayer
« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2013, 05:11:17 AM »
A more clearer photograph of the rear end of the Thorneycroft. It appears to be painted Bronze olive green. I have heard that the Thornycroft may be an orphan from the Indonesian Conflict.

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Re: Vietnam Vet, 164-64? 6x6 Bitumen sprayer
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2013, 10:10:10 PM »
Just of interest, it seems a few RAE trucks ended up with the 164 prefix ARN.  This ex-17 Construction F1 is 772.

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Re: Vietnam Vet, 164-64? 6x6 Bitumen sprayer
« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2013, 03:35:08 AM »
It would be interesting to know the chassis number, and compare it with the 'known' BBB list, ie is this a 'new' Inter, or does it already show up elsewhere?

Vehicles out-of-service are known to have any old plate and Unit signs placed on them for display purposes, or have 'mixed them up' for some reason.
 
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Re: Vietnam Vet, 164-64? 6x6 Bitumen sprayer
« Reply #25 on: December 16, 2013, 09:37:51 AM »
Yes thats very true and the Museum does have a box of old plates (I sorted them at one point) and is a job* on my to do list. However most vehicles still carry the plates they were wearing when decommissioned.

(*Take images of the ARN and the chassis number)
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Re: Vietnam Vet, 164-64? 6x6 Bitumen sprayer
« Reply #26 on: October 10, 2015, 07:17:35 PM »
Looks to be 164772 currently for sale on GraysOnline.

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Re: Vietnam Vet, 164-64? 6x6 Bitumen sprayer
« Reply #27 on: October 17, 2015, 09:01:34 AM »
Does anyone  know how much this truck made at auction ?

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Re: Vietnam Vet, 164-64? 6x6 Bitumen sprayer
« Reply #29 on: October 17, 2015, 11:54:14 AM »
A good price, hope it's gone to a good home.