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110 cargo QLD reg safety certificate
« on: September 09, 2013, 05:28:14 PM »
Hi guys, I am looking for some help. I have recently acquired a 1988 110 from Grays online. I went to have a roadworthy (safety cert in QLD) done and was knocked back on the following:
- roll bar
- rear seats
- gardening tool holders
- front and rear bumper protrusions
Now, I think I am getting bad advice, all the mechanic will refer me to is QLD roads web page, I really want to see the act and the regs that are relevant to this vehicle. I will point out that I am prepared to go to a lot of trouble not to modify this vehicle (mod plates, whatever, I see it as the destruction of military history.

I know of others in QLD that are having no trouble at all, hoping that one of you can point me to someone that actually knows what they are talking and perhaps perform this roadworthy.

Hope you can help

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Re: 110 cargo QLD reg safety certificate
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2013, 05:38:28 PM »
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Re: 110 cargo QLD reg safety certificate
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2013, 05:58:27 PM »
Sounds like the guy is not interested in your bussiness one of the guys from Queensland should be along soon and help with some info
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Re: 110 cargo QLD reg safety certificate
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2013, 06:00:42 PM »
Others are lucky, the front protrusions ARE illegal and same for the rear seats, as there have to be seat belts for all seating positions and the compliance plate only specifies "seats 2".

The easy thing about the seats would be to remove them for the inspection, we had to do this for SIII and 110 County station wagons.  You may be able to put rubber buffers over the bull bar protrusions, a bit like the rubber buffers on 1980s Mitsubishi Pajero.

As for the others fails I'd be finding another inspection station.
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Re: 110 cargo QLD reg safety certificate
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2013, 06:05:43 PM »
Hi Diana Alan, are you certain, can you show me the relevant act or regs?

I realise you had to do it with previous vehicles, you may also have got bad advice, I see this happen all of the time. To me, if there are no seat belts in the back, then its a load carrying area, seats or otherwise, I cannot see how seats can be illegal. My understanding is that once you have filled your seatbelts, you can start filing your load carrying area. I know there was some legal movement on this in the 90's but I thought that quietly failed.

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Re: 110 cargo QLD reg safety certificate
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2013, 06:17:56 PM »
I was surprised to see what Dept of Transport had the RFSV listed as for passenger carrying...

If it comes up as a 2/3/4/5/6 seater then you have no problem, but you will need seat belts.
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Re: 110 cargo QLD reg safety certificate
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2013, 06:24:21 PM »
Juddy, are you talking about the back seats? if so are you certain, and can you point me to the relevant act or regs? it is a commercial vehicle, it was built 25 years ago. I have seen a few XD and XE falcons that were not built with rear seatbelts, you do not have to fit them if they never had them.

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Re: 110 cargo QLD reg safety certificate
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2013, 06:47:22 PM »
Hi Diana Alan, are you certain, can you show me the relevant act or regs?

I realise you had to do it with previous vehicles, you may also have got bad advice, I see this happen all of the time. To me, if there are no seat belts in the back, then its a load carrying area, seats or otherwise, I cannot see how seats can be illegal. My understanding is that once you have filled your seatbelts, you can start filing your load carrying area. I know there was some legal movement on this in the 90's but I thought that quietly failed.

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Seatbelts  ADR 4.00 http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2006L02677/c8749027-672d-4667-aa65-9928abb478e1
Applicable to "Off-road passenger vehicle MC M1 1 July 1988 Nil"
"4.2.0.2. Vehicle categories MC, shall comply with either
4.2.0.2.1. Clauses 4.2.1, or  Clause 4.2.0.1. (4.2.0.1. Vehicle categories MA; MB; MD1 shall comply with Clauses 4.2.1 to
4.13.)
ADR 4.2.1 Detailed Requirements
'Seat Belt Assemblies' shall be fined to each seating position for which seat belt 'Anchorages' are required in accordance with ADR 5/… “Anchorages for Seat Belts and Child Restraints”

ADR 5.00 (http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2006L02680/96c9a9f4-6f2c-4cc9-8eec-d038fc20afb3)
Off-road passenger vehicle MC M1 1 July 1988 Nil
5.2.0.1.1. Vehicle categories MA, MB, MC, MD1, MD2, NA and NB1 shall comply with Clauses 5.2.1 to 5.9.

5.2.1.1. Seat belt 'Anchorages' shall be provided for all seating positions (as
established in accordance with Section 5.7) except for light omnibuses
(MD2)

"42.9. EXTERNAL OR INTERNAL PROTRUSIONS ADR 42.9   (in ADR 42.00 42.01 42.02. 42.03 42.04  (http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2006L03251/98206217-7157-4618-ae67-689c04d1c57a)
42.9.1. No vehicle must be equipped with:
42.9.1.1. any object or fitting, not technically essential to such vehicle, which protrudes from any part of the vehicle so that it is likely to increase the risk of bodily injury to any person;
42.9.1.2. any object or fitting technically essential to such vehicle unless its design, construction and conditions and the manner in which it is affixed to the vehicle are such as to reduce to a minimum the risk of bodily injury to any person;
42.9.1.3. any object or fitting which, because it is pointed or has a sharp edge, is likely to increase the risk of bodily injury to any person; or
42.9.1.4. any bumper bar the end of which is not turned towards the body of the vehicle to a sufficient extent to avoid any risk of hooking or grazing.

Is that enough for you?

The important date is manufactured on or after 1 july 1988.
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Re: 110 cargo QLD reg safety certificate
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2013, 06:53:37 PM »
Hi Diana Alan

It is a very good start. Now I can do my homework!

Thank you very much

Regards



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Re: 110 cargo QLD reg safety certificate
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2013, 06:58:46 PM »
Maybe find another Inspection station.  One who's symphathetic to Classic or older vehicles.
Plenty other people getting them on the road no problem
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Re: 110 cargo QLD reg safety certificate
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2013, 07:32:02 PM »
yes try someone else.in grays only the sydney vehicles have blue slips with them.

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Re: 110 cargo QLD reg safety certificate
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2013, 08:57:11 PM »
Realising I am in NSW, and have a 3 year older vehicle, my 110 is registered as a 9 seater omnibus, and does not have seat belts for the rear four seats. I think in Diana's post above it'd be a Light Omnibus. Could you see if they'd register it as such a beast? Rego price and insurance doesn't seemto be particularly different.
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Re: 110 cargo QLD reg safety certificate
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2013, 09:07:50 PM »
Hi isuzutoo-eh, yes, interesting....I can try. Maybe the protrusions (bumper tie down points) are necessary as recovery points?

My first priority will be to find a sympathetic check point, I do not want to break the rules, but I will certainly exploit ambiguity if at all possible.

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Re: 110 cargo QLD reg safety certificate
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2013, 09:24:39 PM »
Hi Adam

AFAIK, you can get rear seats certified, but the anchorages need to be compliant (ADR 4) and mounting off the aluminium may be problematic.  You would then need to get a engineering certificate and the vehicle plated in Qld.

As for the bull bar, they are not required for the civilian use of the vehicle.  I doubt you will ever lift it with a helicopter and there are non protruding tie down points that could be utilised for road transport if that was a regular activity.

Its coming down finding another inspection station.

Did the original station give you an official and recorded fail?  This will make it more difficult and may require an engineer to overrule the inspector which will cost +++.

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Re: 110 cargo QLD reg safety certificate
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2013, 09:47:01 PM »
Or get it done in NSW?
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