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Re: Hello Everyone, (newbie with a landy adiction)
« Reply #30 on: July 29, 2013, 12:07:58 PM »
well here it is folks, the beginning of a wonderful new journey,
So many Landy's, None going :(

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Re: Hello Everyone, (newbie with a landy adiction)
« Reply #31 on: August 01, 2013, 12:09:57 PM »
Afternoon all,
I decided while the weather was nice to go look at the chassis again,
wire brush in hand I did some scrubbing and inspecting.  yet to my surprise the chassis number appears to be way off.
Instead of 6" of alpha numerical jibberish, I found above the rear spring hanger a simple 508286 in appx 3/4 high stampings.
So I searched the net trying to find an explanation, or secret location of numbers with no luck.

Any of you bright sparks have a clue whats going on?

Nick

Ps, my intentions are to repair, galvanize then powdercoat the chassis, therefore covering the numbers forever. any idea how Vicroads might react?
would they accept the bulkhead ID plate?
So many Landy's, None going :(

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Re: Hello Everyone, (newbie with a landy adiction)
« Reply #32 on: August 01, 2013, 12:36:57 PM »
Nick

SIIa and SIII chassis numbers are usually 8 numbers and a suffix letter.  The AlphaNumeric "Vehicle Identification Number" (VIN) starting "SALL"for Land Rovers was introduced in the 1980s.  If your SIII was built in the 1970s it should have the 8 digits and suffix, however there seems to be a change about 1980 with a serial but not a complete VIN stamped onto the vehicle.

I was taking down numbers of the vehicles at the Engineers Museum only 3 weeks ago and one of the SIII has a serial very similar to yours, it is also recorded on the Army nomenclature plate on the side of the seat box.

What is important is that the serial on the chassis matches the compliance plate.

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Re: Hello Everyone, (newbie with a landy adiction)
« Reply #33 on: August 01, 2013, 12:44:40 PM »
Hi Diana,
Thats what I found odd, military V's civie numbers are different. but the number I have doesn't seem to be either.

My one is a '77 with 94319347C
The replacement chassis is 508286,

So therefore should I grind back and re-stamp?

But for the roadworthy will they make me grind back powder coating and galvanizing just for some numbers


So many Landy's, None going :(

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Re: Hello Everyone, (newbie with a landy adiction)
« Reply #34 on: August 01, 2013, 12:49:16 PM »
If you have a look at the series 2 ARN page for 31 tp 32-xxx range of registrations, you will see the change from the 9, to the final part of the vin number on the chassis.   http://remlr.com/ARN/ARNseries3_part31-2.php
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Re: Hello Everyone, (newbie with a landy adiction)
« Reply #35 on: August 01, 2013, 12:51:50 PM »
Hi Diana,
Thats what I found odd, military V's civie numbers are different. but the number I have doesn't seem to be either.

My one is a '77 with 94319347C
The replacement chassis is 508286,

So therefore should I grind back and re-stamp?

But for the roadworthy will they make me grind back powder coating and galvanizing just for some numbers


ok, 94319347C is ARN 28-961, built 11/05/1977

508286 is ARN arn 32-220, and full vin was LBCAP1AF508286, built 11/11/1980

As to registration, can't say there.
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Re: Hello Everyone, (newbie with a landy adiction)
« Reply #36 on: August 01, 2013, 12:59:19 PM »
so the "chassis number" has been replaced by the ARN
weird,
Biggest question, in 3 years did the design change in any way that would impede me in the resto?
So many Landy's, None going :(

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Re: Hello Everyone, (newbie with a landy adiction)
« Reply #37 on: August 01, 2013, 01:05:07 PM »
No, Richard is talking about two different vehicles.

If you have changed the chassis, you need to acquire the ID plates from the new chassis, particularly the compliance plate to match the number on the chassis.

The risk of grinding off the current number and stamping the number from the original chassis is that you are rebirthing the replacement chassis and risk criminal chharges if it is found by the inspector or Police.

(BTW there is no difference between civilian and military chassis numbers/VIN, the sequences are continuous.)

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Re: Hello Everyone, (newbie with a landy adiction)
« Reply #38 on: August 01, 2013, 01:06:12 PM »
Hi Nick,

Army registration number was 32 - 220 as stated

stamped on the chassis is the chassis number 508286 which is part of the VIN number

32-220 109 11/11/1980 - Series 3 6028 Truck, Utility, 3/4 Ton, GS, Cargo 94131209C LBCAP1AF508286 42110 750x16

if you go to the website, registration numbers, click on the 32 range, scroll down to 32 - 220


hope this helps

I'll look at the bulk head for plates for you - didn't think of that the other day

cheers
Scott
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Re: Hello Everyone, (newbie with a landy adiction)
« Reply #39 on: August 01, 2013, 01:07:38 PM »
Biggest question, in 3 years did the design change in any way that would impede me in the resto?

no
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Re: Hello Everyone, (newbie with a landy adiction)
« Reply #40 on: August 01, 2013, 01:09:58 PM »
Superb, 15 minutes of paranoia for nothing, good 'ol poms, never changing anything.
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Re: Hello Everyone, (newbie with a landy adiction)
« Reply #41 on: August 01, 2013, 01:15:38 PM »
Biggest question, in 3 years did the design change in any way that would impede me in the resto?

no

There may be a number of minor changes.  e.g. You will likely find that the wheel bearings for the 1980 (LBCAP1AF508286) vehicle would have been parrallel, the same part numbers as Range Rover ones, where the wheel bearings on the 1977 were stepped, outer bearing smaller than the inner bearing.

As long as you use all the parts from the 1977 the attachments for the chassis should all be the same. 

Where you need to be careful is when ordering parts, you'll need to order mechanical parts based on the 94319347C number.

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Re: Hello Everyone, (newbie with a landy adiction)
« Reply #42 on: August 01, 2013, 03:13:58 PM »
Wonderful news,
The 77 was running, and almost had it stopping when i saw just how bad the chassis was.
So besides a new wiring loom, bushes and shockers, it should be a part off, refurbish, part on, repeat.
So many Landy's, None going :(

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Re: Hello Everyone, (newbie with a landy adiction)
« Reply #43 on: October 18, 2013, 08:08:24 PM »
Well its been a while since my last update.
Recent weather had stopped me from doing anything, but the chassis is now sitting on blocks outside the shed, the back end has been ground back and inspected.
After a bit of um'ing and ahh'ing its been decided to drop the back end off and replace it rather then cut and patch. this work will be done by Anthony of British 4wd imports in Montrose, my local guy and destroyer of my finances.  (once there's room to get near his workshop)

Once thats sorted it'll be off to be sandblasted and either painted or powder coated.

Then the real fun begins with the part off, re-furb, part on process. oh joy.
So many Landy's, None going :(