Photo research: SVN and other in-service pix

[mzungumagic]

The bloke in the Landrover with the giggle hat on (pic 2 post 33) is wearing the AATTV badge on his brassard and also a set of Paratroop wings that tend to point to him being a 3RAR member.
Interesting array of shots.
Regards
Glen

Glen, those wings are the SASR variety.

3 RAR didn't assume the airborne capability until 1983 and shortly afterwards, gained approval to wear the maroon wings, originally sported by the WW2 Australian Parachute Battalion.



Jack

[zulu delta 534]

Fair call. Really that makes more sense as to the timing of the shots as well.
I never realised the different colours existed. Our (RAASC) air dispatch bods wore the standard blue wings.

Regards
Glen

[Carzee]

With a bit of information they would make an excellent set of photos on a page on REMLR showing life in SVN (If the owner permits it of course).

They -and other photos contributed to the forum- could / should be archived by the AWM also.

If there are only vague memories of the when - where - who type facts that go along with the picture... well so be it.

I recently contacted the AWM and they gave me this info:

Duty Curator: Edwin Ride | Photographs
photographs@awm.gov.au | t 02 6243 4593
Australian War Memorial | GPO Box 345 Canberra ACT 2601

That email above is for emails with photos included up to a limit.
If the photo file is larger than 3megabytes, use this link: https://filetransfer.awm.gov.au/dropbox/photographs@awm.gov.au

[Mike C]

The Duty Curator in each curatorial section changes regularly on a rotational basis.

As I think SVN images still fall within the copyright period, they can only be contributed/accepted into the AWM collection from the original photographer, their heirs, or a person who has been legally assigned copyright. 

And the AWM don't simply archive images: there is an ownership/granting of rights process in various forms. Check the copyright indicator on images for various 'types'.

Also, taking images into the collection and maintaining them is an expensive process, so curators tend to be pretty picky about what they can accept.

Mike C

[Carzee]

"...SVN images still fall in the copyright period..."

"Photographs, sound recordings, films, and anonymous/pseudonymous works are copyright for 70 years from their first publication." Thats the regs for Australia as a result of the 2006 Copyright Ammendment Act: http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/num_act/caa2006213/

If some new photos come to light such as happened on this forum lately, the copyright lasts for 70 years - 2083. So yeah, I can see how the AWM wouldn't archive them directly without due process and stat decs etc. Oh well.

Still an email may serve to make the curators aware of the existence of special photos.

ps I was recently in contact with the photo curator to correct a photo caption that attributed the photo as something to do with the Malayan campaign when it was actually a burial ceremony of 1RAR soldiers KIA in SVN, in the Ho Bo Woods action, 8 January 66.
http://www.awm.gov.au/collection/P02470.001

[Aussie Jeepster]

Here is one I got today - interesting position of the "Christmas Tree"!

[THE BOOGER]

I think that is the forerunner to the xmas tree some veh got both the three bars and the 4 of the newer system

[Mike C]

Yes, it would appear to be a 'non-conforming' attempt at the three bar system, instructions for which state the bars to be horizontal with the Unit Serial Number in white numerals above the upper horizontal bar. Bars to be 8 inches long, 2 inches wide. The bars & number were supposed to be placed on the forward part of the vehicle, like the w/screen or forward body sides, and removed after dis-embarkation.

Mike C

[Aussie Jeepster]

This is likely to be associated with the AATTV photos which I posted earlier - might explain the odd setup.

[Carzee]

Here is a 9RAR pic. The Footlocker has 3 vertical colour bars.


ps, the chair millionaire looks 'wrong', too civvy, but it is the same as seen in quantity amongst the crowd at Luscombe concert photos.
Perhaps they all came thru the ALSC canteen or PX.

[smoke04]

Probably purchased at shop13, Baria.

[Carzee]

Probably purchased at shop13, Baria.

Welcome to the forum. Sounds like you were there.

Its stupid trivia I know.
Google throws up one reference re the local shops.. and its a curio on the 104Sig archive



I don't imagine the shop owner would've thought that it'd be in a virtual museum 40~50 years down the track.

[Carzee]

Yes, it would appear to be a 'non-conforming' attempt at the three bar system, instructions for which state the bars to be horizontal with the Unit Serial Number in white numerals above the upper horizontal bar. Bars to be 8 inches long, 2 inches wide. The bars & number were supposed to be placed on the forward part of the vehicle, like the w/screen or forward body sides, and removed after dis-embarkation.

Mike C

Here's a more normal example as seen on the HMAS Sydney pics, although the bars are not 2in wide. 145 Sigs 1966 Nui Dat Hill

[Carzee]

from Middleton 2AOD (1ALSG) collection.
..this must be what is meant by the "VTF" annotation in the BBB..

[Carzee]

More windscreen markings. This is 'Dozer' Dalton, 2AOD, on De Long Pier. Ship hull in bgd.