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Photo research: SVN and other in-service pix
« on: May 03, 2013, 09:22:40 AM »
========================== should put research links at top I think ===================

ARN info: http://www.remlr.com/index_ARNs.html

AWM Diary Data build: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AirmtN4GydAxdDBBM2lFVHBONHpWajJNd2tPTThEZmc#gid=0

SVN Timeline: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AirmtN4GydAxdHRTX0pKMHRrVkR6Y3JRdnlRV0t0VkE&usp=drive_web#gid=0

Vehicle markings thread: http://remlr.com/forum/index.php?topic=114.0
SVN tac signs: http://remlr.com/forum/index.php?topic=985.0
SVN doc snips thread: http://remlr.com/forum/index.php?topic=904.0
SS AMF VOI doc: http://remlr.com/photos/ssshed/amf_voi


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I happened to see this article from the Sydney Morning Herald, 1987.

Hilda was in SVN during 65-66 at the R&C Villa Vung Tau (the first RC rep).



also we  have this one with 2RAR where 113710 is fitted as Convoy Escort with GPMG:



(The colour 113710 photo was posted in the Tac sign thread http://remlr.com/forum/index.php?topic=985.0 by Aussie Jeepster.)
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Re: Photo research: SVN and other in-service pix
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2013, 09:41:23 AM »
Interesting to note that 113 710 belongs to HQAFV (401 - if my eyes don't deceive me) in the photograph dated 65-66) at the R&C centre but was transferred to 2 RAR in the later shot which is either 67-68 (1st tour) or 70-71 (2nd tour).
Even if it isn't 401 in the first picture it is pretty obvious that it had a unit / Corps change over during its stint in country.
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Re: Photo research: SVN and other in-service pix
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2013, 11:58:49 AM »
I just checked the ARN data and its a 6005M, disposal 3mar72 in Aust. A Base Workshops write off perhaps because thats in the period when AFV pulled out -RTA.

I didn't notice its a shorty. I must be tired.
A shorty with a GPMG like a Gunbuggy convoy escort. Unusual.

Also, ZD do recognise that square canvas bag behind the pedestal next to the bulkhead? Post? HQ maps?


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Re: Photo research: SVN and other in-service pix
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2013, 02:26:15 PM »
I know how dangerous it is to make assumptions, but I would say that the shot in question shows a GS being used as a Command Reconnaissance.
Quite possibly an observer heading out to do a recce for mortar placements or as a forward observation post heading out to read fall of shots.
I make this assumption because of the SM5 (third) tac sign signifying Mortar Platoon Support Company, the fact that there are only two bods in the vehicle (the third is probably drawing M60 ammo from the Q), a radio, a folding chair, what looks like a stretcher (or are those the legs of a theodolite?) and probably a bag of maps, but no sign of any mortars.
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Re: Photo research: SVN and other in-service pix
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2013, 05:30:13 PM »
Thx Glen, thats a good result. An uncommon variant for sure.

I think your idea of the one of the items loaded being a set of legs for the theodite may be off. They are usually chest high. (ok in the 109in tub laying down, but not a 88in tub).

Next, a 103 Sigs Landy getting a wash. From their assn archive. They date it as Nov '66. According to our reference docs ("Allotment For Special Duty" Orders) the 103 were in theatre from april 66 to july 67.

The unit tac is 401 (HQ) on Sigs colours and the formation is 1 Pentropic.

The ARN -I think- is 111-498.
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Re: Photo research: SVN and other in-service pix
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2013, 06:06:13 PM »
mm, too obscured for me to say anything definitive IMHO
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Re: Photo research: SVN and other in-service pix
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2013, 08:07:35 PM »
S2 GS and has bonnet catches as well.
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Re: Photo research: SVN and other in-service pix
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2013, 08:12:41 PM »
ARN BBB Series 2 lists

111098 as a 6005 CR. disp 11.11.65
111198 as a 6005 CR. disp 18.12.70
111298 as a 6006. disp 14.3.80
111398 as a 6006. disp 30.1.69
111498 as a 6006. It is noted in SVN Diary data. disp 3.10.69
111598 as a 6005 CR PNG ref. disp 18.1.66
111698 as a 6005 CR. disp 17.8.66
111798 as a 6005A w stretcher. disp 8.5.70
111898 as a 6028 but the Diary Data notes say it was on 17Const Sqn est. list during jun66 to may68 period. disp 3.10.69
111998 as a 6028G. It is noted in SVN Diary Data. BER. disp 2.6.69
 Whats the fitting on top of the guard?

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Re: Photo research: SVN and other in-service pix
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2013, 09:51:53 PM »
The fitting on the guard is the coax plug stowage post.

The coax is disconnected from the post, cable moved out of the way and then the ATU box mounted to the guard and the coax connected to the ATU.
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Re: Photo research: SVN and other in-service pix
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2013, 09:00:18 AM »
The shipping bars on the screen are interesting, reading 1309, and the colour bars seem to be brown grey brown. Doesn't seem to fit in with any of the codings I have seen but then again our colour bars were similar and I could never make any sense out of them either.
These colour bars were the precursor to today's Christmas Tree and were merely a Unit's "postal address" to put it simply, and usually scraped off the screen once the vehicle had been delivered.
111 398 was a FFW, as was 111 298. either of these seems to fit the Tac signs more aptly.
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Re: Photo research: SVN and other in-service pix
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2013, 09:33:07 AM »
The 2nd photo with the boy makes the rear canopy look like an 88in canopy. Confusing. If an 88 it could only be 111698 or 111798. Both were disposed 66 which fits the 103 Sigs' slot.

That plate 4th digit surely can only be a 2, a 4, a 6 or an 8.

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Re: Photo research: SVN and other in-service pix
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2013, 09:57:04 AM »
I reckon the coax lead points more to a 109.
Besides, that first canopy bow looks as though it has had a bit of a hiding.
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Re: Photo research: SVN and other in-service pix
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2013, 10:03:58 AM »
Was just about to say the same as Glen.  AFAIK only the RAAF had 88" FFT.

The post/ATU configuration being Larkspur fittings making the vehicle earlier than generally accepted for the nomenclature FFR.
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Re: Photo research: SVN and other in-service pix
« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2013, 04:24:16 PM »
With reference to the colour bars on the Sigs Landy in an above photograph I note that the colour bars are the same if not very similar to the ones with which 87 Transport vehicles and equipment were marked.
I had always understood that these colour bars translated into numbers as do the current Christmas trees, but apparently not.
The Sigs vehicle looks to be brown/grey/brown with an accompanying number of 1309, whereas 87 was brown /silver/ brown with an accompanying number of 1107.
I say silver because I remember painting all my gear with good old common silverfrost, but perhaps that was close enough to grey and easier to come across, hence its use.
If the colour sequence is the same in both cases then perhaps the colours signify a delivery point and only the numbers signify the unit.
The Corps were different so that is ruled out. Vung Tau as a destination was a common point though.
Someone will find an answer I am sure and enlighten me.
This photograph of a Unit Members steel trunk came to me following enquiries through our Unit Association and show the colour bars.

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Re: Photo research: SVN and other in-service pix
« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2013, 06:05:28 PM »
 Now thats research. Excellent evidence.
Would this colour band scheme be something to do with Army Movement Orders in general or specific to do with that theatre?
Do we look for similar or the same colours idea in Malaya theatre and in the RAAF and RAN as well?
Just thinking aloud - where will a order be found to clear this up; it could solve a few puzzles that crop up.