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Title: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Tankradio on December 20, 2019, 05:37:02 PM
Hello All,

Last year I found and recovered Mk3 170-295 near the Qld border in the area of Goondiwindi.

I have commenced a ground up restoration which will be fairly slow as the truck has had a hard life with the Army, hard life as a tanker, hard life as a gantry crane carrier and then left to rot on an outback station.

Will try to load up some pics in due course

Cheers

Phill (Tankradio)
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Tankradio on December 20, 2019, 05:40:01 PM
During recovery of 170-295 aka 'The Goondiwindi Ghost'
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Tankradio on December 20, 2019, 05:43:12 PM
Teardown is well advanced
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Tankradio on December 20, 2019, 05:46:11 PM
Rusted floor cut out - it's tough 14 gauge steel !

Cheers 

Phill
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Chazza on December 21, 2019, 09:27:29 AM
Nice work Phil.

Looks as if you used an A-frame to tow it home Ė what did you pull it with?

Cheers Charlie
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Tankradio on December 21, 2019, 12:36:57 PM
Hello Chazza,

Yes, I used a genuine ex Army A frame for the first 100km of towing back to civilization where it was then hoisted onto a tilt tray etc

My tow vehicle was my trusty Landcruiser Troopy.

Cheers

Phill
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Tankradio on December 22, 2019, 07:33:47 PM
Sometime in it's post military service the truck had been fitted with an electric fuel pump, the mechanical fuel pump being blanked off on the side of the engine.

In due course the original pump will be sourced and fitted with a new electric pump discreetly installed as a back-up.

Cheers

Phill
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Tankradio on December 22, 2019, 07:40:36 PM
Although I have not yet started the engine I'm hoping the compression etc is up to par.

It's about to get a new rocker cover gasket, new vacuum advance, new plugs/points/leads/dizzy cap & rotor then see where we go from there.

Indications are that I may need to remove the engine and fit a new rear main seal and probably a new clutch driven plate while the engine is hoisted out.

Cheers

Phill
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Tankradio on December 22, 2019, 07:52:28 PM
At least the transmission appears very good...
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Tankradio on December 22, 2019, 07:56:22 PM
While carefully sanding down the driverís door several markings came up.

More research to be done but it is documented in service with 1 Transport South Vietnam

Cheers

Phill
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Tankradio on December 22, 2019, 07:58:23 PM
Before and after of the Inter Vehicle Starting Socket just restored.

Cheers

Phill
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Tankradio on December 22, 2019, 08:01:53 PM
- And hereís a tiny bit of unique history for this particular truck scratched deeply into the driverís door skin ĎTrinkyí was probably the surname or nickname of a previous driver during itís Army service.

Cheers

Phill
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Tankradio on December 22, 2019, 08:08:04 PM
All the electrics are in a basket case condition so I carefully cut the harness out...
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Post by: Tankradio on December 22, 2019, 08:18:15 PM
The chassis is very, very good and will be an excellent basis for the restoration project !

Cheers

Phill
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Post by: Chazza on December 23, 2019, 08:22:16 AM
Nice machine!
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Tankradio on February 06, 2020, 03:15:31 PM
Restoration update;

Dash before
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Post by: Tankradio on February 06, 2020, 03:16:54 PM
Dash after;
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Post by: Tankradio on February 06, 2020, 03:18:23 PM
Switch panel before;
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Tankradio on February 06, 2020, 03:20:06 PM
Switch panel after - still waiting on several new switches from Russia believe it or not...
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Tankradio on February 06, 2020, 03:21:24 PM
Before;
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Post by: Tankradio on February 06, 2020, 03:22:41 PM
Circuit breakers after, still looking for new correct mounting screws
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Post by: Tankradio on February 06, 2020, 03:25:46 PM
After:
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Carzee on February 06, 2020, 04:42:20 PM
 8) Hi Phill, congrats on this SVN Mk3.

I have been slack on the research. Or maybe I forgot - did I already inform you of the 1967 file of convoy packets etc (1Coy RAASC) out of Vungers that lists 170-295 several times? I am snowed lately. I will include a scr cap example of the papers anyway.


This is really up Glenn H's street, there's his name in charge of the packet. Haven't heard from Glenn in a while.

GTG
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Post by: STDDIVER on February 06, 2020, 06:41:42 PM
Well done Phil - Great to see!

STDDIVER
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Tankradio on February 09, 2020, 06:36:18 PM
Thanks for that document Carzee !

I have copies of several other convoy orders featuring 170-295 already but every piece of the story helps 👌

Now to find one or two in-country pics...

I have some blurry 'might be' pics but nothing definate.

I will have to get Glenn into the cab some day for old time sake

Cheers,

Phill
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Tankradio on May 30, 2020, 06:26:09 PM
Work has continued during the great corona scam.

Hereís the instrument panel complete with nos gauges
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Tankradio on May 30, 2020, 06:28:36 PM
Due to a shortage of correct switches I resorted to rebuilding the switch panel with substitute military radio and military aircraft switches
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Tankradio on May 30, 2020, 06:30:37 PM
I had been on the lookout for a correct RVB 12v flat projector horn.

One came up on Ebay and was tested, cleaned and repainted with an hour of being delivered
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Tankradio on July 19, 2020, 06:13:17 PM
Rocker cover treated to degrease, a new coat of paint and new gasket
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Tankradio on July 19, 2020, 06:19:24 PM
Steering gear stripped out.

New gasket, seals and horn contact wire to go in once I carefully remove the steering wheel centre which is currently seized in place.

The indicator switch lever also will be replaced.
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Tankradio on July 19, 2020, 06:21:01 PM
Original cab clearance lamps removed to assess whether they can be restored
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Tankradio on July 19, 2020, 06:36:54 PM
The old and badly corroded slave starting socket finally came out, not without a fight mind you. It also left a rust through hole where sand had packed in behind it.

I have already restored a mint replacement as this original is only fit for parts.
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Tankradio on July 19, 2020, 06:37:57 PM
These sockets sure go off if the screw on dust cap gets lost
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Post by: Tankradio on July 28, 2020, 06:20:29 PM
Cab clearance side lamps came apart surprisingly easy despite the rust. A long term soak in WD40 seemed to work out for a change !

Lenses are superglued together and once cleaned and re-coloured with clear red and clear orange model paints they should be perfectly reuseable. Not so with the light fittings themselves which fell to pieces.

The horn button & emblem cleaned up well. Might even add some colour to the IH emblem .
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Tankradio on July 28, 2020, 06:23:35 PM
The steering wheel is an early unribbed type and in reasonably good condition apart from some cracks and a split near the hub.

As an experiment I am filling in with fibreglass resin. Hopefully it will sand back and look original. If not I have a spare (slightly smaller) wheel from a teaspoon tipper to convert or a ribbed wheel from the wreckers...

Cheers,

Phill
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Tankradio on July 28, 2020, 06:26:02 PM
Once I opened the steering box & colums several litres of clear water poured out !

As everything is still greasy Iím hoping it will be OK as the purchase of a nos box I arranged last year fell through.

Fingers crossed !
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Chazza on July 30, 2020, 09:13:59 AM
Good work Phill  :)

Didn't know about the starting socket; we just used jumper leads. Where on the truck was it located?

Cheers Charlie
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Tankradio on July 30, 2020, 12:43:41 PM
Hey Charlie,

It's below the driver and behind his left heel on the vertical 'step' in the floor pan.

It's the reason most trucks had the big ugly red/white warning about being negative earth which was painted on the engine cover.

Cheers mate

Phill
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Tankradio on July 30, 2020, 04:36:50 PM
Bit more steering box tinkering. The cover cleaned up nicely but the indicator switch assembly is a bit worse for wear. Some small parts tumbled out when the steering wheel came off. Itís also missing the lever and has been full of dirt for decades.

I will still try to save it if I can.

In other news I received and excellent and authentic stencil set from a fellow REMLR member and former Army colleague. Very much appreciated !

Cheers

Phill
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Tankradio on August 02, 2020, 04:50:26 PM
Getting closer to removing the tray so I can restore and paint the chassis frame, undercarriage and tray frame.
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Post by: Tankradio on August 02, 2020, 04:51:57 PM
Iím on the lookout for a good gear lever. This one has been te welded and I just donít trust it...
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Tankradio on August 02, 2020, 04:53:18 PM
And hereís a pic of the rust patch found behind the Auxiliary starting socket in the cab
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Tankradio on August 03, 2020, 04:00:10 PM
Trying to save and restore my early unribbed Mk3 steering wheel.

Iíve used fibreglass resin to fill the several cracks. Hopefully once sanded after a second treatment it will be blended in and should be flexible enough not to crack again.
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Post by: dkg002 on August 03, 2020, 06:20:37 PM
Looking good, I would probably have a spare gearstick will have a look tomorrow
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Post by: Tankradio on August 04, 2020, 02:01:38 AM
That sounds great mate !

I would never trust this welded one...

Cheers

Phill
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Ravvin on August 04, 2020, 07:59:26 AM
That weld may have been from your truck's army days.
I remember reading one of the EMEI's that mentioned cutting the stick and welding it back on to give it a better angle, but I would expect the cut to be nearer the base.
From memory, it was something to do with the change going from the single pipe exhaust manifold to the double pipe version.
My MK3 can only just get into 1st gear, as the stick hits the back of the manifold, as it's had the twin pipe modification but not the cut and weld done.
Sounds like they did a poor job of the weld.
I'll see if I can find where I read it, once I get home from work.

Greg.
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: GGG on August 04, 2020, 07:14:08 PM
Ravvin, consider yourself fortunate that you can get first gear as it was a common problem. Neither of our unit's MK3s could manage it along with many others that I heard of and in some cases drove. One of ours had just had an engine change when we got it and the problem was still there. The workshops were not terribly interested whenever we reported it.
Geoff O.
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Tankradio on August 04, 2020, 08:34:02 PM
Thanks for the comments Greg and Geoff.

I too have read a reference to the fist gear engagement issues. it might even be in the EMEIs.

My truck still retains the single exhaust pipe. To me it looks like the gear lever has been extended but I'm not certain.

In any case I will be fitting a new lever just to be sure.

Cheers

Phill
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Tankradio on August 10, 2020, 03:01:35 PM
Just received a replacement gear lever from a generous fellow REMLR member so will be cleaning up and fitting it shortly.

Thanks all

Phill
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Tankradio on August 13, 2020, 12:01:56 AM
Replacement gear lever cleaned, sanded, degreased and primed.

Will paint tomorrow
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Post by: Tankradio on August 22, 2020, 09:22:33 AM
Might have a day off working under the truck today for some reason...
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Post by: Mick on August 22, 2020, 11:09:12 PM
Come on mate,

Haven't you got a coat ? 😳

Cheers,

Mick
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Tankradio on September 25, 2020, 06:37:39 PM
Yes Mick, I still have my original Army issued great coat with stripes still attached. Unfortunately Iím many sizes too big to fit in it these days !

My latest dash restoration idea is to replace the missing coloured light inserts for high beam and L&R indicators with see through coloured candy wrapper material.

Not sure how successful it will be but must be better than what I have (nothing)

Cheers

Phill
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Tankradio on September 25, 2020, 06:44:20 PM
I want to upgrade the front indicators to deal with modern crap drivers, so came up with this modification of the front blackout drive lamps.

Once I fit either amber bulbs or re tint the lenses with clear orange paint I can wire them for indicators and that leaves the small round lamps as parkers only.

The replacement lamps shown below are available on Ebay, are inexpensive and more or less exact replacement.

Just requires a simple amendment of the wiring harness.

Cheers

Phill

Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Bluebell One-eight on September 26, 2020, 10:21:13 PM
A sneaky trick, it should work. I've used a different approach. LED headlights with halo and indicator inbuilt. The white halo is a running light just for the drivers who don't notice the truck coming towards them, had that happen a few times in service. When the indicator is activated the running light is extinguished. There is a repeater lamp on the side as well.
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Tankradio on September 27, 2020, 02:13:57 AM
Hello Bluebell, yes I've had many near misses with civvi drivers when I was serving.

Lucky we drove with headlights on - I still do today.

I'm thinking orange bulbs and leave the clear lenses showing. It will appear more original that way.

Cheers

Phill

Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Tankradio on September 29, 2020, 06:24:50 PM
So I decided to go with modern orange bulbs behind the clear glass.

It looks closer to original that way, yet still quite clearly vsible.

Cheers

Phill
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Tankradio on September 30, 2020, 04:25:40 PM
Where do I get the lights ?

I've been asked where the lights came from so thought I'd post a screenshot from Ebay...

Cheers

Phill
Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: STDDIVER on September 30, 2020, 04:33:38 PM
Thanks Phil - Great work!   Frank

Title: Re: 170-295 Ex SVN saved and under restoration.
Post by: Bluebell One-eight on October 21, 2020, 09:42:36 PM
Thanks for the comments Greg and Geoff.

I too have read a reference to the fist gear engagement issues. it might even be in the EMEIs.

My truck still retains the single exhaust pipe. To me it looks like the gear lever has been extended but I'm not certain.

In any case I will be fitting a new lever just to be sure.

Cheers

Phill
The original Mk3 gear lever was much longer than the Mk4. When there was some wear in the shift mechanism the lever would contact a boss on the rear runner of the exhaust manifold. There was an EMEI detailing shortening and bending the lever that was to be " performed when there was difficulty engaging first gear" All our Mk 3s were modified about 1970 when they went in for a number of mods.