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REMLR Technical => Electrical => Topic started by: tona on August 04, 2018, 05:24:17 PM

Title: edic motor
Post by: tona on August 04, 2018, 05:24:17 PM
 >:(   COULD some one out there give me a complete circuit for the edit motor on a rfsv please,thanks ,TONA,.  B,,,,, thing is starting to play up, may be time to remove it completely?,TONA.
Title: Re: edic motor
Post by: dugite on August 05, 2018, 09:18:26 AM
If compliance is an issue, removal and replacement with a pull stop would not be approved over here on annual rego inspection (just posted also re the D1 rims).

But it may get past an uneducated inspector - they can only tell you to refit it :)

If no one else posts the wiring today I'll look up a copy when I get back and post it.
Title: Re: edic motor
Post by: Carzee on August 05, 2018, 12:11:43 PM
I had an attempt, my 2c worth.
Title: Re: edic motor
Post by: Dopey on August 05, 2018, 01:51:28 PM
These motors can and do get a fair bit of rust in them, this is a mates one that I'm currently taking apart and rebuilding for him.
Title: Re: edic motor
Post by: Dopey on August 05, 2018, 01:55:31 PM
Also, the same edic motor is available to buy, but in a 24volt version.
It uses a slightly different cable, but you take it off and use the standard Perentie one.
The 12 volt versions are (as far as I'm aware) unavailable at the moment.

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Engine-Diesel-shutoff-Stop-Solenoid-12V_60433669470.html

Part numbers for the 24volt one are Jideco MK294 & 5-81900-008-01.

The motors are very similar to the ones found in some Disco sunroof mechanisms & some electric window winders & smaller windscreen wipers.
Title: Re: edic motor
Post by: tona on August 05, 2018, 04:23:34 PM
   THANKS  GUYS ,I may attempt to remove it tomorrow if the weather is a bit better over here,I am leaning toward a cable set up thats for sure,TONA.
Title: Re: edic motor
Post by: Philthy on August 06, 2018, 07:54:09 PM
>:(   COULD some one out there give me a complete circuit for the edit motor on a rfsv please,thanks ,TONA,.  B,,,,, thing is starting to play up, may be time to remove it completely?,TONA.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/technical-chatter/160184-wiring-edic-motor-relay-2.html (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/technical-chatter/160184-wiring-edic-motor-relay-2.html)

Easy to recondition. Internal rust shorting inside. Sometimes it will work after a some firm taps with a hammer to dislodge the shorting crud. Mine had a short from sitting around. Dismantled it cleaned it, treated and sealed metal surfaces with motor varnish. All good. Good luck. Don't forget to bench test it as you assemble it. 
Title: Re: edic motor
Post by: tona on August 07, 2018, 07:31:12 PM
 :(   THANKS for the info guys I will attempt to remove it tomorrow , if its buggered its going to get the cable mod,TONA.
Title: Re: edic motor
Post by: tona on August 10, 2018, 06:17:43 PM
 ;)   HELLO fellow members, started to pull edic checked it out to make sure it was faulty guess what no power going in to it  checked power coming out of immobiliser no power coming out , thats it remove immobiliser  completely ,re connect wires to sign switch turn on sign switch edic motor goes on and off, reassemble the whole thing and have had no trouble since so far, we wills hong this lot lasts , thanks for everybody's assistance and pics and things ,cheers for now ,TONA 51 590.
Title: Re: edic motor
Post by: Philthy on August 10, 2018, 06:24:34 PM
Great a easy fix!
Title: Re: edic motor
Post by: tona on August 21, 2018, 11:02:09 AM
 :(   ANOTHER ONE for you guys where could the trouble be with my hi beam on the left side only fuses/ relays all good , any ideas,TONA.
Title: Re: edic motor
Post by: Philthy on August 22, 2018, 09:10:32 AM
:(   ANOTHER ONE for you guys where could the trouble be with my hi beam on the left side only fuses/ relays all good , any ideas,TONA.

Switch the globes first, not working still then check the earth next. Still nothing, run a wire from the + on your battery to light the globe then start checking it all off working backwards along the entire wire loom at the connection points including the switch points if you don't have a meter. Same can be done with a meter. Just a thought
Title: Re: edic motor
Post by: Carzee on August 22, 2018, 05:08:31 PM
My lights switched on but were very weak. I removed the headlight for a look/check and had to fix the connector which had been melted and exposed wires corroded away within an inch of its life. Cheap fix using ceramic connectors $2 each on feebay. Lights were back to Lucas H4 mediocrity after that.
Title: Re: edic motor
Post by: dugite on August 22, 2018, 06:24:20 PM
My lights switched on but were very weak. I removed the headlight for a look/check and had to fix the connector which had been melted and exposed wires corroded away within an inch of its life. Cheap fix using ceramic connectors $2 each on feebay. Lights were back to Lucas H4 mediocrity after that.

Ross, you can buy reasonable quality pre-wired H4 connectors marketed by Narva.

I fitted this Narva LED conversion set      https://www.narva.com.au/products/18004 - it improved the headlights out of sight

I have otherwise done a similar relay addition as described by Dervish, but if I ever did another I would use this Narva 18004 conversion kit
Title: Re: edic motor
Post by: Carzee on August 22, 2018, 07:16:10 PM
Many thanks 'Lionel'. $$$?  ::)
Title: Re: edic motor
Post by: dugite on August 22, 2018, 07:40:14 PM
$$s depend on where you buy 'em, the set (2) from a local electrical supplier was $165.

e.g. https://www.automegastore.com.au/narva-h4-headlight-12-24v-led-conversion-kit-18004?gclid=Cj0KCQjwk_TbBRDsARIsAALJSOZrqSmYd-yb3_2r_9ZhuULR6V0eCG8kKQgOesdYLsfoh4gBZ8-i_XUaAlc1EALw_wcB

regards, Lionel :)
Title: Re: edic motor
Post by: tona on August 23, 2018, 11:35:28 AM
    :(  THANKS for the replies, will do what philthy says, hot wire the globe, if it works i know that the trouble is in the circuit from switch ,relays, connections and so forth, will let you blokes know of out come ,TONA.
Title: Re: edic motor
Post by: Philthy on August 23, 2018, 05:06:11 PM
TONA IMOA Loom kits w relays have been superseded with this $30.oo fix for dim lights and burnt switch gear and at the same time be happy working with the stock system.

An example -  https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/9003-H4-HB2-CSP-LED-Headlight-Conversion-Kit-Bulbs-High-Low-Beam-for-Ford-Falcon/163165004387?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/9003-H4-HB2-CSP-LED-Headlight-Conversion-Kit-Bulbs-High-Low-Beam-for-Ford-Falcon/163165004387?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649) 3 year warranty, pulls only 20W ( you can get brighter and so attract more attention. I'm in a city so 20W is fine) so you will never burn switchgear. These ones in particular wont tick others off on the road being only 20W. and a clear white light. I passed a roadworthy with them in they didn't get a mention. I day run with lights on for over 2 years now without a problem and maintain above 14 Volts on the volt meter with high beam on. ;).   

They are just plug and play. You don't need the ones with resistor/ballast as the Land Rover has a "dumb" system and wont be tricked into thinking the globe has blown.

But be carful with what you select w LED's as there isn't much room in the headlight bowl so check the length before you buy.

Cheers Phil

Photo attached/
I'd still put in ceramic pugs those steel bowls wont cool internally. Last time I looked they are unavailable in steel and only made in plastic now ??? Not sure how they are going to stand the test of time?

Reconditioned the bowls new lens and a LED globe. Happy days or should I say nights ;D
Title: Re: edic motor
Post by: tona on August 25, 2018, 11:26:24 AM
 ;)philthy,g/ay,,finally got down to fixing my low beam , checked globe and earth at h/light all o.k took fuse cover off,hmmmm which one , found it blown  on left high beam replace globe put light back in problem solved,  am going to look in at the update on wiring kits like you mention, will see how this lot goes first ,thank s for the input guys , remlr is a great site ,TONA,.
Title: Re: edic motor
Post by: Mick_Marsh on August 25, 2018, 01:43:57 PM
$$s depend on where you buy 'em, the set (2) from a local electrical supplier was $165.

e.g. https://www.automegastore.com.au/narva-h4-headlight-12-24v-led-conversion-kit-18004?gclid=Cj0KCQjwk_TbBRDsARIsAALJSOZrqSmYd-yb3_2r_9ZhuULR6V0eCG8kKQgOesdYLsfoh4gBZ8-i_XUaAlc1EALw_wcB

regards, Lionel :)
Interesting. Are they ADR compliant?
Being from Narva, if they are not, there will be a warning on the packaging stating they are not for road use or something similar. If they do not have such a warning, they'd be an excellent upgrade.
Title: Re: edic motor
Post by: tona on August 31, 2018, 06:57:41 PM
 ;)  THANKS for that mick, getting off track for a bit ,took my jeep/trailer to the dowerin field day over here , we had 19 ex mil vehicles on display including four bgc,s in one place ,am going to look in to the light kits, if they comply i will buy ,cheers TONA,.