Registry of Ex Military Land Rovers

Land Rovers => Australian Series 2 & 2A => Topic started by: Matt Reeves on January 28, 2018, 08:08:34 PM

Title: 112-498 2a 1/4 GS.
Post by: Matt Reeves on January 28, 2018, 08:08:34 PM
I have just become the new owner of 112-498, a June 63 88" GS and would love to discover more about its history.

It has always been a dream of mine to add a genuine Australian military 88" to my collection of 1960's British army Land Rovers, but at times it seemed that a dream is all it would remain, however the stars seemed to align and now I'm eagerly awaiting its arrival in June or July.

The current plan is to carry out a recommissioning, just doing the essential jobs required to get it UK registered and on the road. As far as I'm aware it is the only Australian military 2a in the UK.

No doubt I'll be asking some newbie questions, as although not new to Land Rovers I want to ensure I get the details right on this one.

Cheers for now!.

Matt.

Title: Re: 112-498 2a 1/4 GS.
Post by: FFRMAN on January 28, 2018, 10:23:33 PM
Howdy

I'd be interested in the story of how it got to the UK and how you got it.

There is a 2A Aust Army workshop Land Rover in the UK, don't know of any others except yours now.

Cheers
Scott
Title: Re: 112-498 2a 1/4 GS.
Post by: Matt Reeves on January 28, 2018, 10:57:35 PM
Hi Scott,

It's not here yet, I'm importing it soon.

Cheers,

Matt.
Title: Re: 112-498 2a 1/4 GS.
Post by: Matt Reeves on February 22, 2018, 07:10:55 AM
Just wondering whether anyone can help with prior history on 112-498 before I bought it on eBay last month? The seller had owned it for a year or less.

My intention is to get it registered, carry out a light restoration and display it alongside my 1960's British Army Land Rovers to show the differences (and similarities) between them.

Cheers,

Matt.
Title: Re: 112-498 2a 1/4 GS.
Post by: DennisM on February 22, 2018, 08:40:17 AM
The only way to find out anything about it is if any photographs exist of it in the net or with some military units that websites for past/serving members, failing that when you get hold of it you may/may not want to sand down the door panels or the sides of the wings for any markings that could be lurking under paint, so it will be an anxious/sleepless time until in arrives, this is from Remlr and it's not showing any indication of any images
112-498   88   1963   -   Series 2A   6005   Truck, Utility, 1/4 Ton, GS   25143261C   24303524A   -   750x16      Vic.   18.08.77it was disposed of in Victoria on the 18/8/77, and just for interest sake it's 3 digits from my 112-501 which went to Sth Vietnam with 1RAR in June 1965, the first deployment of Aussie troops into the conflict, ? so maybe just maybe it could have went over as well, cheers Dennis
ps I have put aside those items for you until you get the vehicle and you can visually inspect it yourself, n see what you actually need,,.
 
Title: Re: 112-498 2a 1/4 GS.
Post by: Matt Reeves on February 22, 2018, 09:12:32 AM
Thanks again Dennis for your reply and putting those parts aside for me, I appreciate it.

It sounds like a broadly similar situation to researching British army vehicles, though some records of which unit a vehicle was with exist, but with some significant gaps.

I'm really looking forward to it arriving😀

Matt.
Title: Re: 112-498 2a 1/4 GS.
Post by: 2short on February 22, 2018, 09:17:36 AM
The seller you bought it from on eBay had only owned it for several months. He had bought it off eBay as well from another seller around the other side of the bay in Melbourne. That previous seller had only owned it for a matter of weeks I believe, buying it off a farm or such.
Title: Re: 112-498 2a 1/4 GS.
Post by: Matt Reeves on February 22, 2018, 09:32:36 AM
Thanks 2short. Fortunately it doesn't seem to have been particularly abused or modified since leaving service, and has most of the military fittings intact.

Cheers,

Matt.
Title: Re: 112-498 2a 1/4 GS.
Post by: 2short on February 22, 2018, 11:52:22 AM
I like the 1/4 ton sign on the rear, I haven't seen very many of them.
Title: Re: 112-498 2a 1/4 GS.
Post by: Mike C on February 22, 2018, 12:17:38 PM
Not on my list of those that served in SVN.

Mike C
Title: Re: 112-498 2a 1/4 GS.
Post by: DennisM on February 22, 2018, 01:35:14 PM
Mike do you have a published list of ARN's that went to Vietnam, cheers Dennis
Title: Re: 112-498 2a 1/4 GS.
Post by: Matt Reeves on February 22, 2018, 04:34:21 PM
2short thanks for adding the pictures, I had tried but couldn't work out how to reduce the size sufficiently.

Obviously someone took care to mask off the 1/4 ton marking when the Landy was repainted, but what do others think about the overall paint job, could it have been done in service or later in civvi hands?.

I have other pictures and the Max Speed marking is still present on the dash. The interior definitely hasn't been repainted since it left the army.

The drivers door is from a Series Three, as are both door tops.

What do others make of the two holes drilled in the rear capping? They appear on the drivers side as well.
Title: Re: 112-498 2a 1/4 GS.
Post by: 2short on February 22, 2018, 08:35:13 PM
I would think the paint is original.
The holes were for roof rack supports that were on the vehicle but taken off by the seller you bought it from.
Title: Re: 112-498 2a 1/4 GS.
Post by: Matt Reeves on February 23, 2018, 12:50:09 AM
I would think the paint is original.
The holes were for roof rack supports that were on the vehicle but taken off by the seller you bought it from.

Thanks. Do you happen to have any pictures saved from the previous auction?. Feel free to message me if you prefer.
Title: Re: 112-498 2a 1/4 GS.
Post by: 2short on February 23, 2018, 08:22:55 PM
I've tried searching for the original ad but haven't been able to find it or any pics sorry.
Title: Re: 112-498 2a 1/4 GS.
Post by: Matt Reeves on April 12, 2018, 05:50:11 PM
Thanks 2short, I appreciate you looking.

I'm happy to say that after some delay (purely on my part) the 2a should be on its way to the UK very soon, arriving here in late June or early July.

My current plan is after a good inspection to change all fluids, hoses and the clutch slave and master cylinders so it's mobile, then carry out the work to get it roadworthy, so rear cross member, bulkhead repair, lights, New tyres.

I'm hopeful that it won't require a total restoration, but instead I can replace the few missing or incorrect parts, possible respray it if the external paint is not original and treat the underside with preservative.

More updates in due course once it arrives!.

Matt.
Title: Re: 112-498 2a 1/4 GS.
Post by: Matt Reeves on May 12, 2018, 03:09:03 AM
Quick question for others with an early 2a. Is the staple which attaches the windscreen securing strap to the bonnet ("Joe coolin") the same as those on the rear of the tub, or different?.

Thanks.
Title: Re: 112-498 2a 1/4 GS.
Post by: dugite on May 12, 2018, 06:14:23 AM
Unfortunately I cannot confirm that the ones you ask about are the same but generally speaking, the loops fitted to LRs are for a common width of webbing strap.

If you're after a replacement for a missing one you can google "footman loop" to see what is available.
Title: Re: 112-498 2a 1/4 GS.
Post by: Carzee on May 12, 2018, 08:35:30 AM
Yes, same loop. The webbing buckle is metal, an older design too.

(http://www.remlr.com/photos/pics1/2Abonnet2.jpg)
Title: Re: 112-498 2a 1/4 GS.
Post by: Matt Reeves on May 12, 2018, 04:44:29 PM
Dugite, Carzee thanks both for your replies. I have a replacement loop from a scrap 63 rear tub, just need the strap, or at least the correct buckle so I can get the strap made.
Title: Re: 112-498 2a 1/4 GS.
Post by: FFRMAN on May 12, 2018, 08:26:38 PM
Most of those straps were taken off in service, so I wouldn't get too stressed.
Title: Re: 112-498 2a 1/4 GS.
Post by: Matt Reeves on May 18, 2018, 03:45:44 AM
Thanks FFR man. I will probably refit the loop and strap as 112-498 will eventually be displayed alongside my British Army 63 88" FFR and I'd like to show the differences between them.

112-498 finally began its journey to the UK today, and should arrive on or around the 10th of July.
Title: Re: 112-498 2a 1/4 GS.
Post by: Matt Reeves on May 23, 2018, 06:01:30 AM
In the container, still in Melbourne.
Title: Re: 112-498 2a 1/4 GS.
Post by: FFRMAN on May 23, 2018, 08:26:53 AM
It's getting there, slowly but surely! How long on the water? Then how long through customs?

Cheers
Scott
Title: Re: 112-498 2a 1/4 GS.
Post by: Matt Reeves on May 23, 2018, 03:20:40 PM
Hi Scott,

Arrival is supposed to be July 10th and customs clearance should be a few days at most. I've already submitted the customs paperwork and arranged transport to my place so hopefully there won't be any major issues (famous last words!).

The next step will be getting it registered, and since the DVLA have been getting awkward lately about CKD vehicles that have been re-imported this could take longer than the shipping!.

Cheers,

Matt.
Title: Re: 112-498 2a 1/4 GS.
Post by: DennisM on May 23, 2018, 03:31:06 PM
Gee Matt, here I am thinking that it's on a ship on the high seas half way to you and it's still in bloody Melbourne damn I would be p***ed off cheers Dennis
ps I suffer from instantitis at times LOL
Title: Re: 112-498 2a 1/4 GS.
Post by: Matt Reeves on May 23, 2018, 04:17:29 PM
Know what you mean Dennis! The delay was partly on my part, but then the shipping company took ages to arrange collection from the seller (who has been very good about storing it) but it's finally on it's way!.

I will message you about those parts we discussed once it arrives, if that's okay? It's not missing much so hopefully won't take much to be complete and correct.

Cheers,

Matt.
Title: Re: 112-498 2a 1/4 GS.
Post by: Mike C on May 24, 2018, 06:42:48 AM
The 'staple' for the strap is called a 'Footman Loop'. 

You can find plenty advertised in various sizes under that name, so you should have no trouble finding a match once you have made accurate measurements of the existing loop at the back.

Mike
Title: Re: 112-498 2a 1/4 GS.
Post by: FFRMAN on May 24, 2018, 08:44:10 AM
The 'staple' for the strap is called a 'Footman Loop'. 

You can find plenty advertised in various sizes under that name, so you should have no trouble finding a match once you have made accurate measurements of the existing loop at the back.

Mike

Also called a Breaching Staple (English version), Footman Loop (US version)

If you want an original one I can send you one, but postage might be a killer!

cheers
Title: Re: 112-498 2a 1/4 GS.
Post by: Mike C on May 24, 2018, 09:26:57 AM
Yep, that postage from Oz is a killer.

Cheaper to search for 'Breaching staple' (he's in England and it is a Pommie vehicle ....) and get one locally.

Mike
Title: Re: 112-498 2a 1/4 GS.
Post by: DennisM on May 25, 2018, 04:19:58 PM
Matt, I have the correct buckles and the loop (if you still one) in the shed, the buckles are new never been used cheers n looking forward to seeing some decent images, Dennis
Title: Re: 112-498 2a 1/4 GS.
Post by: Matt Reeves on May 25, 2018, 04:52:07 PM
Thanks Dennis and yes please put my name on a set!.

I'm also looking forward to it arriving and will certainly get some better pictures.

Cheers,
Matt.
Title: Re: 112-498 2a 1/4 GS.
Post by: Matt Reeves on August 03, 2018, 03:41:46 PM
Well 498 finally arrived at its new home here in Wales yesterday. First inspection suggests it has been cared for since leaving the army, and the chassis is in amazing condition when compared to UK vehicles of similar age.

Finding its Queensland plate inside was a bonus, but I'll have to get it UK registered.
Title: Re: 112-498 2a 1/4 GS.
Post by: Matt Reeves on August 03, 2018, 03:48:06 PM
Inside is pretty well complete and original, although the ignition switch has been altered to keyed and the starter button is on the blackout panel. It's a shame it had lap belts bodged in, I have already removed what remained of them. Nice to find the seat backs numbered to it!.
Title: Re: 112-498 2a 1/4 GS.
Post by: Matt Reeves on August 03, 2018, 03:55:06 PM
Under the bonnet has suffered the most alterations, but nothing too drastic. Wrong carb, the oil filler tube has been cut down to take a plastic cap, brake booster has been added and the air cleaner is missing. Also the starter solenoid is clearly a replacement, and those leads...

The original? horn is still fitted to the battery tray, with the later one above on the front panel.
Title: Re: 112-498 2a 1/4 GS.
Post by: Chazza on August 25, 2018, 08:43:45 AM
Nice buy Matt!  :D

It looks as if a a good wash, is all the Rover needs.

Beautiful place Wales  I must visit again one day,

Cheers Charlie