Registry of Ex Military Land Rovers
Vehicle Variants => Trailers => Topic started by: STDDIVER on November 06, 2016, 04:23:46 PM
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Chasing any information on the kitchen trailer - EMEI, manuals, instructions for use - specifications - literally any information available would be greatly appreciated.
Here's hoping - thanks in advance ..... ;)
Frank
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Chasing any information on the kitchen trailer - EMEI, manuals, instructions for use - specifications - literally any information available would be greatly appreciated.
Here's hoping - thanks in advance ..... ;)
Frank
Hi Frank
Which trailers are you discussing? The Haas Sohn Mobile Kitchen or the WWII Wiles Cookers?
The Haas Sohn has its own page on the REMLR website: http://remlr.com/trailer-kitchen.html (http://remlr.com/trailer-kitchen.html) There is a link to the Manufacturer's brochure http://remlr.com/documents/kitchen%20brochure.pdf (http://remlr.com/documents/kitchen%20brochure.pdf) or you could try the manufacturer/agent who were in Auburn.
The other option would be to contact Muddy or Col. Coleman who both own one of the trailers.
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Thanks Diana - I am looking at the Hass Sohn trailer I have had a reply from Muddy who has sold his trailer.
:D
If you know of any person with a canvas cover or other attachments this knowledge would be greatly appreciated.. I have checked out Remlr for information, but are probably looking in the wrong place. I have seen the links.
Thank you again.
Frank
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Hi Frank
George and Mike Edwards from Ballarat had one of the kitchens, sadly both have passed on. If you Know Simon A (the body builder who makes repro command car bodies for WWII Dodge weapons carriers), he may know what happened to the Edwards' kitchen trailer.
Diana
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Thanks Diana for the information I have checked the database, cant find any reference to Simon A. Any suģgestions?
Frank
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I think the "Simon A" mentioned by Diana is Simon Allen, a military vehicle restorer/ panel beater from the Castlemaine area in central Victoria. His mobile phone number is 0407 818 378.
Hope this helps, Steelo
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Thanks Steelo -
Very much appreciated.
Frank
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No worries Frank.
More than happy to help.
Regards, Steelo
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Question to the brains trust .... ???
I have been searching for Hamilton Industries in Auburn NSW and they are very hard to find. [actually no listing whatsoever] The reason is the Haas Sohn HSK Mobile Field Kitchen information. The Remlr 2 page sheet is very good but I am really trying to get an operations manual and other detailed information including spare parts lists. Any information greatly appreciated and desperately sought. Thanks to Dodgeguy1942 too!
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Additional question without notice -
I notice the CES listed for the kitchen trailer refers to "COMPLETE EQUIPMENT SCHEDULE FOR ACCESSORY-MAINTENANCE KIT, TRUCK, UTILITY, LAND ROVER SERIES 2, 12 volt electrical system" under "010588 Mobile Kitchen trailer" -
In chasing information on - 010588 - Mobile Kitchen Trailer - Does anyone know where the CES for the kitchen trailer is? - or are they one in the same? Considering all things military - I think not? :-\
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Dear all, et al,
Still chasing any information on the Mobile Field Kitchen Haas Sohn 214A/250A. I see in the REMLR member list - Michael F 275 has one???? ;) A big thanks too to Trent (Dodgeguy1942) for much help. :)
Michael if you are on line and can help - I'd be very much obliged.
There must be a manual and other documents out there ... somewhere, but extensive web searches are not showing anything available. The original manufacturers of the trailers, Hawthorn Industries Pty Ltd in Auburn NSW appear to no longer exist.
Haas Sohn still manufacture heaters in Germany but do not have any more mobile field kitchens listed. :(
From the web searches REMLR is still the best source of information. Help!
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Micheal doesnt visit the forum very often but he is active on AULRO as Col Colman at one stage I beleive he had most of the paper work for his field kitchen :)
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Thanks Geoff - great info - I will try AULRO, I am a member but find REMLR more relevant to be in so many ways. Appreciate the help. I am now chasing parts as I have a KFM trailer in atrocious condition with many bits missing.
Thanks again Frank
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been withdrawn from service hard trying to locate ces might have one for range cooker
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Thanks glbest - I have been trying to get as much information as possible. I found out the project in 1985 was for 44 KFM (light) field kitchen trailers for a cost of $1.74M from Hawthorn Industries, NSW. I hope to post the story of the refurbishment of the trailer some time soon. My AAC unit loves the trailer as the speed and ease of preparing meals makes things so much easier and food quality is brilliant. Might have to cater a REMLR event at some stage?
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Hey Mate,
You might have just volunteered for the unit caterer position and I'm sure Daryl AKA Magellan might be the potatoe pealer your after 😊👍
Look forward to your history of the field kitchen trailer article, good luck with it.
Cheers,
Mick
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spoken to defence they have been withdrawn and the CES have been archived spoke to a mate in catering been withdrawn for years tring and get involved with the local ARES unit and ask the catering sergeant for help
best advise from the experts use the manufactures OEM
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ask the local ARES unit tech spt might be able to other the RPS Guides and old operations manual
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Thanks Greg and Mick - Always looking for someone to peel the spuds! Worse part about the present time is work is just too full on. I will follow up all leads, ARES is one I haven't thought of. Still awaiting some information and I am hoping that the post will spark some interest from the catering corps as there were a lot of very capable army cooks. I have been led to believe that there was an extensive training program for these trailers which, after working on one, is not surprising. :)
Frank
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try the sponsoring unit as the aac unit has unit designated Code they can demand items out of the system and it doesnot affect the sponsor unit ie tentage field equipment rations
(fresh rations are cheaper than ration packs )
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I'd even give the School of Catering a call , you never know they maybe able to help?
I think it's the ADF School of Catering based at HMAS CERBERUS .
Somene there would have a good knowledge of them you'd reckon ?
I'll see if I can find a contact for you .
Cheers,
Mick
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;) Thanks Mick, another good idea I hadn't thought of. Sooner or later I'll track the details down and make them available for others :-)
They really are an impressive piece of gear.
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spoken to an instructor at army school of catering in the field training area and they have not used them for several years and were withdrawn from service
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Dear All - Success at last !!!!! :)
A great team of Warrant officers, and a Sergeant from the Army Museum including a friend of a mate, has done the impossible! I now have a paper copy of the KFM (LT) Manual and even the trials report from 1985. This includes the Haas Sohn components and all of the modifications completed on subsequent versions of the trailer. Most interesting is the technical report as to why the modifications were made based on the trials of 6 trailers in the SWBTA Shoal Water Bay Tasman Warrior exercise. The report was undertaken by AACC as a form of project validation in 1985.
The units involved were 5/7 RAR - Holsworthy NSW, 1 Armd Regt - Puckapunyal Vic and HQ 1 Bde Holsworthy NSW. Allocation of trailers was to -
KFM (LT) ARN 42-828 (from 3 RAR) and ARN 42-825 HQ 1 BDE; ARN 42-832 Not specified, ARN 42-830 from 5/7 RAR; ARN 42-824 1 ARMD REGT and ARN 42 - 827 3 RAR. The documents are incredibly interesting reading (if you have a field kitchen) and explain so much of the process behind the project, kitchen construction and particularly use. Using the system for our Cadet activity showed how much time could be saved by having such a valuable piece of equipment and was extremely popular. The trailer we acquired was hopelessly incomplete when obtained and much of the internals were rusted beyond use with all of the oven and fire box seals missing. There was much to do. The resultant nearly finished product however is excellent. I manufactured a canvas cover that actually keeps the dust out by means of adding an internal compressible bandage around the table top rim. Still more work to do, however on the down hill side of the project now thanks to accurate information, most gratefully received.
Frank
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More Pictures
Some show poor condition of original trailer, new doors fabricated, new insulation, canvas covers - I will post more later on if there is an interest.
Frank :D
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could you post a copy i was talking to friend and the army hasnot used them since the 90 and they donot how may are still in service all documentation has been removed from the system and archived
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Well done Frank,
Great news !
Look forward to,seeing the trailer back to its former glory . I think from memory I had never seen one towed by a rover, how do you find it ?
Best of luck with her.
Cheers,
Mick
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Thanks for the comments Greg and Mick. Firstly the document I have is huge in paper form and it will take a lot of time to reduce to an electronic version - a job for winter. It is well worthwhile doing though, as it is a very good read. This makes me appreciate even more the efforts of the team that made the copy of the documents available in the first place. Again - Thank you very much.
To answer your question Mick's, the 110 GS does a great job of towing the trailer at its maximum rated towing speed of 80 kmh. Neither likes hills very much but I don't mind this as the trailer is 1.6 Tonnes and with the land rover load of FS tables, Engel fridge, area lighting kit, water, gas, utensils cooking, pots cooking assorted, all other manner of equipment as per the CES plus dry and fresh supplies - it is a well balanced and reasonable load. Off road I take things slower than usual. The trailer is very well designed and agile, if loaded in accordance with the OPINS is very well balanced. I really appreciate one huge advantage of the GS land rover over the RFSV and 6x6as tow vehicles, is that you can actually see the trailer behind you and observe how well it is tracking. When I first obtained the trailer and had to tow it back from NSW I was towing it behind a Discovery 4. This was effortless and easy. It took a lot of time to get the balance right before I got onto the highway. (Actually got pulled over by NSW Highway patrol as no rego plates - lucky I had an unregistered vehicle permit though!) The highway patrol officer was great and had an active interest in the trailer and obviously saw that some effort had gone into securing all fittings on the trailer, the lights worked and safety fittings were in place. No worries whatsoever. I cannot overstate the importance of balance and keeping the required weight forward of the axle. When done properly this enabled the trailer to be towed at 110 kph on the Hume with the chance to relax and enjoy the drive. On that trip home, two flat tyres meant that the pre planning was worthwhile with a jack, tools, spare on the trailer (so far out of balance it was dangerous and had to be fixed immediately) and the carriage of another complete wheel and tyre enabled recovery to be far less difficult than it needed to be. When I read the Shoal water Bay Exercise report it really made sense and confirmed what I had learned. The report explained even better ways to tow and operate the trailer. Perhaps at some stage in the future I might be able to afford a turbo like Carzee and that will make things even better.
Considering the rated towing speed I would have no hesitation in towing the trailer anywhere. Reversing the trailer requires the reversing isolation latch to be used. Trailer brakes and over-ride is perfect, you could not ask for anything better. Getting all of this right took time as expected. Hope this answers your question Mick?
Cheers
Frank
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Great answer Frank - Thank you.
The cooks probably towed them behind trucks because of the stores they would have carried. It's good to know it travels well behind a Rover though.
I do agree they are a great piece of kit and well worth the effort of restoration. I do remember hearing a story of a bloke who bought one at auction for $50 because he was the only bid.
I'll look forward to your future posts on the topic.
Cheers,
Mick
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found this on remlr site HAVING A CLEAN OUT
Hass -Sohn mobile Field Kitchen complete with
storage box (full of spares)
tents winter and summer
manuals
3gas /1 kero-diesel burners
etc $5500
muddy
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worth a try old one dec 2013
greg
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Gee Greg - If only I had known!!!!!! This is worth following up though. It never rains ........ then it pours - There is one trailer for sale on Gumtree - enquiries are under-way. :-X
Incidentally, the trailer was used to support the CFA and SES at the local Relay for Life event, over the weekend and was again an unqualified success, quick tasty food and variety of use was excellent. Still chasing the internal baskets, deep fryer, bain marie inserts and other bits. still lots to do.
Frank
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Frank,
Have you contacted Billy Toole in Wodonga ?
That type of army surplus would be right up his alley.
Worth a try.
Mick
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Any contact details please?
Frank
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Wait out Stu,
I'll get a number to you. I'm up there next week if you need anything picked up.
Cheers,
Mick
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Mick - Thanks thats a great offer - I'd like to contact him and see what he's got in the way of bits. Contact information would be great.
Thanks mate
Frank
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You could also contact him through E-bay (http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/billythetoole/m.html?item=122380327434&hash=item1c7e6f9a0a%3Ag%3ALNMAAOSwUuFW0uLv&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562), always selling on there.
Plus he will be a regular stallholder at the Corowa Swap, speak to him there, or arrange delivery of an item at the Swap.
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Hi Frank,
Bill's number is 0419 355 445.
Good luck.
Mick
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If you have faceblock access, there are some pics of the Kitchen Trailer at the Fremantle Army Museum. I'll post them on the weekend as I can't edit the file size down for the REMLR site.
https://www.facebook.com/alan.logue.31/posts/10211931816627939
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Thanks Gents - Following up - call made, - I am not a face-book person other than log in once a year, but that might have to change (Keep with the times) - Looked at the site very helpful, when I started this project I did not for one minute realise how detailed it could become. Having said that it is very interesting and has got me in!
I'll post update details in due course - I'll have to tow the trailer to Corowa and cook up a meals for SWIM IN 2018 when its finished!
Frank
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Hi Frank,
Sounds good Frank , Magellan will peel the potatoes.
2018 is going to be a cracker .
Cheers,
Mick