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Vehicle Variants => Radio Vehicles => : lucipla March 27, 2016, 05:08:31 PM

: Radios in FFR Perentie
: lucipla March 27, 2016, 05:08:31 PM
Hi all

Here is couple of pic of the radios set up in 49154 as was original in the  Perenties , a GRC 106 and a PRC 77 , boths In working order
: Re: Radios in FFR Perentie
: kman March 27, 2016, 06:42:19 PM
Good photos. Looks like you are using the sets: if you are you may wish to read this article which shows that the GRC-106 when tuned as per the manual could be losing 80% of its radiated power when operating on 40metres! It also gives the solution. http://radionerds.com/images/c/c5/Army_communicator_Sept_1984_AN-GRC-106.pdf

Howard
: Re: Radios in FFR Perentie
: lucipla March 27, 2016, 07:56:12 PM
Thanks you very much Kman for the link , I have some low signal reports when I was having some contacts during
The jamboree but I attribute that to the atmosferic condition as I was in the 20 meters band and in contact with New Zealand , I will go to the cataract scout park again soon to perform some maintenance in the equipment and aerials and I will tray again with the new info I got from the link , thanks you again , the PRC 77 work very well without any dramas

Kind regards

Lucipla
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: aussiegregmac March 27, 2016, 07:58:26 PM
Tks Howard, found that report informative as well.
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: kman March 27, 2016, 08:30:07 PM
No worries guys.

Lucipia I run a PRC77 on an AM2060 in my S2A FFT which I can swap with the RT524 in my MUTT. A couple of mates are running PRC77 in their Perentie FFRs but have boosted the output by using a Clansman RF amplifier for the 351. It is a fairly cheap unit that easily connects and can be mounted on top of the AM2060.

Howard
: Re: Radios in FFR Perentie
: Diana Alan March 27, 2016, 09:15:34 PM
No worries guys.

Lucipia I run a PRC77 on an AM2060 in my S2A FFT which I can swap with the RT524 in my MUTT. A couple of mates are running PRC77 in their Perentie FFRs but have boosted the output by using a Clansman RF amplifier for the 351. It is a fairly cheap unit that easily connects and can be mounted on top of the AM2060.

Howard
Hi Howard

There is a PRC-25/PRC-77specific  linear amplifier, its called the AM-4477 Range Booster its a similar form factor as the PRC-77 but half height.

You can see mine sitting on top of one of my PRC-77 in my SIII FFR but they were never used in Australia.

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http://www.prc68.com/I/RB25B.shtml (http://www.prc68.com/I/RB25B.shtml)
: Re: Radios in FFR Perentie
: kman March 27, 2016, 10:03:32 PM
How many FFRs do you have 😛

Howard
: Re: Radios in FFR Perentie
: Diana Alan March 28, 2016, 01:06:59 AM
I currently have two, a III FFR and a Perentie 4x4 FFR but I also have a SADF Radio Relay SIIB however its been converted to a camper so unlikely to get  the original green radios.

The SIII FFR has a 524 and two 77s (GRC-160)  and an F3, but I'm going to remove one 77 and install a second F3 and set them up in re-trans (it must have had two HF sets in service as it has the holes for two of the HF antenna brackets.

The Perentie will initially have a 106 and 160 on two tables, but I may add another 160 if I can find another am-2060.

The SADF RR will probably only be fitted with a Thomson TRC 300-4 HF set, but it may also get a civilian Codan 9323 and 9360 HF

I also have the dexion and Clansman PRC-352 and PRC-320 for a British army FFT, but the vehicle went to scrap before I could pick it up.

No Idea what I will do with the Larkspur C42 set and tables.
: Re: Radios in FFR Perentie
: kman March 28, 2016, 07:02:08 AM
Good setup! Do you have a sigs background? Display any unit signs on the vehicles?

Quite a catch having the F3s. I have had my eye out for one for years but they very rarely appear and if they do are out of my budget!

Howard
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: Carzee March 28, 2016, 09:59:46 AM
I have an FFR but I don't even have AM. All this jargon over my head. Is there a book or webpage, or even a homevideo explaining whats what?
Maybe a video ofvthe sets operating RX TX would be a great benefit ... but it would probably spur parts prices even higher...
: Re: Radios in FFR Perentie
: kman March 28, 2016, 06:11:30 PM
Maybe we should post a sticky on the equipment and options for FFT/FFW/FFR. I am happy to start one but it will have to be late this week or next before I have the time.

I envisage a description of the various radio's features, what components are required to set them up in a vehicle and some comments on the radio. complement at various FF vintages.

Is there interest in this?

Howard
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: dugite March 28, 2016, 06:17:19 PM
A wiki on that wold be very good - thanks Howard
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: Diana Alan March 28, 2016, 07:22:52 PM
Isn't Pete AGAS5 in Sigs? perhaps he would like to start it off?

This is my SIII FFR

LHS: RT-524 and F3
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RHS: <photobucket image replaced with same image from REMLR>
(http://remlr.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4137.0;attach=18892;image)

Rear:
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(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m2/Auntikinus/Army%20Land%20Rovers/SIII-FFR-30-146/DSCN0454.jpg)

This is the rear of my previous Perentie, 48-852 but these radio tables are going the new one 50-422

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m2/Auntikinus/Army%20Land%20Rovers/Perentie%20FFR%2048-852/20150823_155639smx.jpg)

although the F3 is moving to the SIII and the 106 (400W HF same as Lucipla's in the first post.going in its place


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: mike_k March 28, 2016, 07:44:49 PM
A Radio page would be terrific.

I have not been having a lot of luck finding much info on the correct radio install kit for my 1970 FFT.

I know it had the larkspur table across the tub, but details of the battery frame are a bit scarce.

There is heaps of info for fitting the Larkspur kit to the earlier FFW / FFT vehicles, but I haven't found much on fitting the American gear into the series 2A.

Anything I do find, I will definitely post .
: Re: Radios in FFR Perentie
: Diana Alan March 29, 2016, 01:08:52 PM
A Radio page would be terrific.

I have not been having a lot of luck finding much info on the correct radio install kit for my 1970 FFT.

I know it had the larkspur table across the tub, but details of the battery frame are a bit scarce.

There is heaps of info for fitting the Larkspur kit to the earlier FFW / FFT vehicles, but I haven't found much on fitting the American gear into the series 2A.

Anything I do find, I will definitely post .
You'll have more trouble finding the actual batteries.  The battery frame and charging system were the same as used in the Larkspur, so essentially the MT-1029 mount etc. was connected to the Larkspur batteries.

(http://remlr.com/photos/s2/FFW2.jpg)

This image from the REMLR website ( http://remlr.com/radios.html (http://remlr.com/radios.html) ) is one of the better images of the batteries/battery frame.  Basically they were about 1 1/2" x 1 1/2" angle iron slides to support the long sides of each battery with angled hold downs.

I can take an image of the removable frame I have in the garage which will be similar to the frame mounted to the floor of the Land Rover tub.


(The frame I have at home is one of these)
(http://remlr.com/wireless/larx_C42_B47_stude_mid.jpg)
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: mike_k March 29, 2016, 09:45:20 PM
Thanks for the info Diana,

I have been doing a bit of research, and it looks like the Army changed from the Larkspur batteries and carrier to an Aussie system sometime in 1969.

There is an EMEI for this, G 057- 18 specifying the change from the UK batteries and carrier to 'lightweight plastic cased batteries' with a different carrier.
All of the replacement parts are Australian, and have an Aussie DSN.

The EMEI is here on REMLR:   http://www.remlr.com/documents/EMEI/Series%202/G057-18%20-%20replace%20radio%20batteries.pdf (http://www.remlr.com/documents/EMEI/Series%202/G057-18%20-%20replace%20radio%20batteries.pdf) 

I think that this is a picture of the setup here, from Anzac steel,
(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk135/pinegrove_photo/Land%20Rover/lrlwb2a14.jpg) (http://s279.photobucket.com/user/pinegrove_photo/media/Land%20Rover/lrlwb2a14.jpg.html)

So, while the later 2A FFTs kept the Larkspur table, it looks like we went to local batteries, which I guess would be correct for my 1970 vehicle. It does only have one set of holes in the tub for the battery carrier, it would be interesting to know which type it had!

This is the carrier that I will make up, some dimensions would be helpful.....

It is a bit hard to see if the vehicle had a power distribution panel in the photo, there are some wires up there, but it would also be possible to wire the 160 directly to the batteries I guess.

There must be some info out there for fitting the American kit to the vehicle, I see that there was an EMEI called,
'Preparation for Radio installation. Used with Field Radio sets other than those of UK origin' number G 055 - 1.
It runs for 12 pages, but it does not look like we have a copy at REMLR.
(if anyone has a copy, I would be keen to see it!)

If I find any more photos or info , I will post them up.

: Re: Radios in FFR Perentie
: Diana Alan March 29, 2016, 10:10:39 PM
You can see the regulator on the rear of the transom at the extreme left in the gap between the MT-1029 and the capping.  The distribution box is that large thing mounted on the top/front of the transom between the two outer seats.  You can see the wiring running up the middle of the transom in your image.

You will note that the vehicle in your image is post 1966 because of the cable type wipers.  Yours will probably be exactly like this one.  The earlier ones has an air blower on the RHS of the transom immediately behind the driver.  This took outside air from a louvered vent just behind the fuel filler and a duct blew the air onto the back of the Larkspur radios for additional cooling.  If your tub doesn't have the vent, it never had the blower.

You could be right about using current issue batteries. Mike Kelly in Gippsland has found a single box, I've been going to borrow it and have a mould taken off it to make fibreglass replicas where you could fit modern batteries inside still with the original outside look.

Sorry about the images but these are of my frame taken a couple of minutes ago.  It should give you an idea.

 
 



: Re: Radios in FFR Perentie
: Diana Alan March 29, 2016, 10:46:34 PM
Thanks for the info Diana,

I have been doing a bit of research, and it looks like the Army changed from the Larkspur batteries and carrier to an Aussie system sometime in 1969.

There is an EMEI for this, G 057- 18 specifying the change from the UK batteries and carrier to 'lightweight plastic cased batteries' with a different carrier.
All of the replacement parts are Australian, and have an Aussie DSN.

The EMEI is here on REMLR:   http://www.remlr.com/documents/EMEI/Series%202/G057-18%20-%20replace%20radio%20batteries.pdf (http://www.remlr.com/documents/EMEI/Series%202/G057-18%20-%20replace%20radio%20batteries.pdf)  ...<snip>
Thanks for that link, interesting that the later design replaced the 4 metal cased  12V Larkspur batteries with 8 much smaller 12V batteries.  I had been going to use 12"deep cycling batteries inside my fibregalss cases, or even a couple or four truck batteries like the N200.
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: Carzee July 07, 2016, 03:59:51 PM
Some more Perentie FFR gear pics from videos:
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: Carzee July 07, 2016, 04:34:42 PM
straight into tent.
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: glbest July 01, 2020, 12:43:27 PM
radios used in the 110 were raven series
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: AGAS 5 July 10, 2020, 05:05:28 PM
... and

AN/GRC-160
AN/GRC-106
AN/VRC-46 ... possibly the 49 as well (retrans setup)
ASKY/RT-F500 WAGTAIL
RT-1915 EPLRS XF

Cheers