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Vehicle Research => 110 Research => Topic started by: Mike C on November 26, 2014, 03:39:52 AM

Title: Log Books with L/R?
Post by: Mike C on November 26, 2014, 03:39:52 AM
Gents,

I get the impression that the log books are being sold along with the vehicles. Is that correct, and if so, how extensive and consistent are the entries?  Do they commence when the vehicle was taken on charge, or after the last 'rebuild'?  Nice to have, of course, but I'm wondering just how informative they really are.

Mike
Title: Re: Log Books with L/R?
Post by: THE BOOGER on November 26, 2014, 07:46:18 AM
The log books are in most cases being sold with the vehicle but its the last log book so if the veh has a replacement then the book starts where the last ended some are quite extensive and show every thing even fitting of driving lights and all mods done during the life of the book :D
Title: Re: Log Books with L/R?
Post by: Dervish on November 26, 2014, 08:00:43 AM
Most I have read, and I've read a lot, don't say much. They can be interesting if the vehicle is a rebuild because it details what was replaced and usually has a dyno sheet. A lot of them have been lost and replaced, so will only have a few years of info in them. They let you know where your vehicle was posted though (at least recently), which is certainly nice to know.
Title: Re: Log Books with L/R?
Post by: isuzutoo-eh on November 26, 2014, 08:26:41 AM
The most interesting bits of my FFR's log book are the bits of A4 paper folded and filed in it. These are the bits that detail snorkel and driving light fitment, the final list of faults that sent it to auction (and hence I have been working through to fix), some rubbish about a white fleet hilux mistakenly stuck in and a bit of correspondence between members of the Army relating to the vehicle.

There is details of repairs in the actual log book, but nowhere near as interesting as the extra inclusions :)

I wouldn't hesitate to buy a 110 without a logbook, as long as you inspect the vehicle thoroughly. Same as I am not concerned that mine isn't a Tenix rebuild as it is still in great condition, heck it probably had an easier life than most Tenix rebuilds, since it hasn't ever needed a rebuild!
Title: Re: Log Books with L/R?
Post by: Mike C on November 26, 2014, 08:46:05 AM
Thanks, gents, pretty much what I suspected: highly variable information and certainly not a 'complete history of the vehicle', as has been claimed by one ill-informed person on another forum about old tank log books.

Incidentally, were you aware that, in the early 1990s:
48010 was in storage at BLG,
48803 was serving with 35 Field Squadron, 5 Field Engineer Regiment, and
49514 was with 16 Royal West Australian Regiment.

Thanks for your comments.

Mike
Title: Re: Log Books with L/R?
Post by: aussiegregmac on November 26, 2014, 09:19:57 AM
Log book entries might possibly depend on the housekeeping of the Parent Unit/s as well.
I'm totally happy with mine coming from the Parent Battalions Training Company in North Queensland.

Details every single thing with the vehicle since it was taken on charge in 1992.
Right down to a passenger passing wind in 1996.   Nah, just joking.

I'm probably  a lucky one though.  Some vehicles don't even come with a book.
Greg Mac.

Title: Re: Log Books with L/R?
Post by: isuzutoo-eh on November 26, 2014, 10:21:24 AM
Thanks, gents, pretty much what I suspected: highly variable information and certainly not a 'complete history of the vehicle', as has been claimed by one ill-informed person on another forum about old tank log books.

Incidentally, were you aware that, in the early 1990s:
48010 was in storage at BLG,
48803 was serving with 35 Field Squadron, 5 Field Engineer Regiment, and
49514 was with 16 Royal West Australian Regiment.

Thanks for your comments.

Mike

Thanks for that tidbit, it is the same squadron it was serving with prior to disposal and logbook extras show it there around 2006 too, so it didn't get around much or at all.
Title: Re: Log Books with L/R?
Post by: Dervish on November 26, 2014, 11:04:24 AM
Incidentally, were you aware that, in the early 1990s:
48010 was in storage at BLG

Not surprising, 48-010 has evidently made a long and illustrious career of sitting in warehouses; first at BLG then DNSDC. I wish I knew where it was posted initially - being the 3rd production Perentie it must have gone to a unit that badly needed the most up to date equipment.

49514 was with 16 Royal West Australian Regiment.

I did not know that; I only knew that it was rebuilt in Darwin. 16 RWAR have a long list of deployments so that fits with the AQIS strip down theory.

Thanks for the info Mike, fascinating.
Title: Re: Log Books with L/R?
Post by: Mike C on November 26, 2014, 01:29:50 PM
48010 .... originally issued to the Army School of Transport in the late 1980s. Figures, I suppose, as the School would have had priority for training, hence received the early issues.

 And the source for that little gem is incredibly reliable!

Mike
Title: Re: Log Books with L/R?
Post by: Diana Alan on November 26, 2014, 01:34:11 PM
<snip>
I'm probably  a lucky one though.  Some vehicles don't even come with a book.
Greg Mac.
I don't know if I'm lucky or unlucky.

As some know I purchased 48-852 from the October Minto Auction, it was the cheapest final bid of the month from all sites.

Yes it was missing a roof rack, tarp, broken interior clear lens, broken rear convoy lamp and damaged RHS front mudguard.  Most unfortunately it didn't have a logbook.

However

It seems that it has a new crate engine, probably fitted in Feb 2014 when all the filters were changed, it has a brand new front axle assembly still with the manufacturer stickers, new gearbox mounts and one of the tightest 4 speed boxes I have ever driven.  I believe that this vehicle had a major drivetrain overhaul in 2014.  If that information was available in the logbook, I'm sure the price would have been much higher.

The downside is I can only guess it was allocated to 8/12 Medium Regiment RAA because of the unit serials on the holders and the signs left in the door pocket, but have no idea what the bird device on the doors represents.

Diana
Title: Re: Log Books with L/R?
Post by: Dervish on November 26, 2014, 01:55:18 PM
48010 .... originally issued to the Army School of Transport in the late 1980s. Figures, I suppose, as the School would have had priority for training, hence received the early issues.

 And the source for that little gem is incredibly reliable!

Mike

Where are you getting this information?! It's incredible. I've searched high and low for any scrap of information on 48-010 and found nothing.
Title: Re: Log Books with L/R?
Post by: Phoenix on November 26, 2014, 03:01:03 PM
48010 .... originally issued to the Army School of Transport in the late 1980s. Figures, I suppose, as the School would have had priority for training, hence received the early issues.

 And the source for that little gem is incredibly reliable!

Mike

They certainly are reliable!

I have actually added a unit history column to the REMLR database so that we can record information that we receive or find out better than just in the notes column of the database.
Title: Re: Log Books with L/R?
Post by: DennisM on November 26, 2014, 07:17:48 PM
I know that this talk is about 110's & 6 x 6's, but when I got my S2A gunbuggy, it came with it's complete service history, from day 1 when the vehicle was taken and converted into a gun carrier, very nice bit of history to have, cheers Dennis :)
ps and I keep it in a safe (key combination type safe)
Title: Re: Log Books with L/R?
Post by: Young Eric on November 26, 2014, 09:39:59 PM
my log book for my GS with winch says 999.5 hours for a tenex rebuild
Title: Re: Log Books with L/R?
Post by: Carzee on November 26, 2014, 09:54:51 PM
I think there was a member's logbook showing 1300hrs. It takes the cake so far.
Title: Re: Log Books with L/R?
Post by: Mike C on November 27, 2014, 03:04:10 AM
Dervish,

Long hours of picking up tid-bits and compiling them. The data is far from complete, but it does throw up the occasional gem.

Mike
Title: Re: Log Books with L/R?
Post by: FFRMAN on November 27, 2014, 08:19:50 AM
Hi, I have found the log books in both my Perenties to be very detailed and let me verify Km's, major works done, identified issues that hadn't been rectified from last service prior to auction. But also where it had been allocated or deployed.

Attached photo shows 48-664 spent 10 years in Afghanistan - just needs a bit of knowledge to decyfer some of the acronyms and hand writing. It also showed 48-664 had 3 x new transfer cases, 1 x new firewall, etc etc then full stripdown and rebuild (not just clean and put back together) coming back into Aust - it's rough on the outside from 10 years of hard life but rock solid mechanically - love it!

Certainly the GM120 adds a lot of value to your knowledge of the vehicle and aids in the decision making when going to auction but doesn't change the vehicle and a physical inspection is the only way to really assess the vehcile.

That's my view anyway....
regards
Scott
Title: Re: Log Books with L/R?
Post by: AGAS 5 on November 27, 2014, 08:44:46 AM
Which abbreviations Scott ?  List the ones you want explained and I'll have a go for you.

Pete
Title: Re: Log Books with L/R?
Post by: Phoenix on November 27, 2014, 01:48:02 PM
Oh I have a long list of abbreviations from a range of documents I need help translating, might send you a PM!
Title: Re: Log Books with L/R?
Post by: FFRMAN on November 27, 2014, 02:12:49 PM
Oh I have a long list of abbreviations from a range of documents I need help translating, might send you a PM!

Actually I think Mike has released a book, if someone can put the link to that again I might spend some hard earned cash

regards
Scott
Title: Re: Log Books with L/R?
Post by: Phoenix on November 27, 2014, 04:41:19 PM
I forgot about that, he did indeed!  I suspect the ones I am chasing are not in there though.  only relating to stock and vehicle movements.
Title: Re: Log Books with L/R?
Post by: Mike C on November 27, 2014, 05:45:34 PM
You might be surprised: there are more than 10,000 entries in the book!

http://www.virtualbookworm.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Store_Code=bookstore&Screen=PROD&Product_Code=australian_military_abbreviations_acronyms_codes

I should also mention that I'm still collecting abbreviations and adding them to the database, so if anyone finds anything that isn't in the book (and that can be verified as to meaning) then please feel free to let me know. There is also that request along with the email address in the book. I've already added another 1,000 or so to the DB since the book was published.

Mike
Title: Re: Log Books with L/R?
Post by: Phoenix on November 28, 2014, 12:22:03 PM
I'll post a bit here incase anytbody knows precisely what it all means.

I really want to understand what these ledgers mean, but they are broken up into different sections.  as below.  what does each section mean?

Earmarks
Loans
Replenishment Issues
Stock Category Transfer
Unit Returns
Replenishment stock category transfer
depot transfer
unit transfer


Other abbreviations that appear, and are unknown are:

TSERNO
Unit UDC (Unit Description/Depot Code?)
PR1
Authority No
Cat From
Cat To  (changing from different categories? now to decypher what the numbers actually mean as categories)
LTL (Long Term Loan?)
From SCC
To SCC (Stock Category Code? and what is that?)
Title: Re: Log Books with L/R?
Post by: Rangy35 on November 28, 2014, 11:23:24 PM
I may have a answer to some of these questions, I just need to print them and ask the right person........you will not believe how lucky I was recently, I met the operator that was driving my Perentie for the last three years, and when I told him I had no service history he printed it out for me, and delivered it to me, he explained what some of the abbreviations meant, and some of the wording but I was so gob smack that it just blue in the one ear and out the other.
I do have contact with him and will ask him what the words and phrases mean, I hope I will be able to add some decryption to the forum.
Title: Re: Log Books with L/R?
Post by: Rangy35 on November 28, 2014, 11:31:29 PM
I don't know if you guys know this, and I could remember this, if you look at FFRMAN's logbook the section that has the following abbreviations in the beginning,
FF= Fully Functional
RU= Restricted Use
XX= Unserviceable/not usable

Sorry if you guys already knew.
Title: Re: Log Books with L/R?
Post by: THE BOOGER on November 28, 2014, 11:44:05 PM
Don't be sorry for posting info that not everybody has I think the people who already know will forgive you  ;D
Title: Re: Log Books with L/R?
Post by: boxy on November 29, 2014, 04:31:32 PM
My RFSV has its original logbook with every entry in it. I'm sure sixty'a name would be in there if I looked hard enough.
Title: Re: Log Books with L/R?
Post by: Carzee on December 23, 2017, 10:57:02 AM
Adding in some GM120 logbook acronym clues from the thread about 48-740's GM120: http://remlr.com/forum/index.php?topic=5386.0

SSTN PLB :  Service Station Puckapunyal Logistics Battalion

SLG-P :  Southern Logistics Group - Puckapunyal

JLU-V-P :  Joint Logistics Unit - Victoria - Puckapunyal

TTDL :   Tenix Toll Defence Logistics

BAE :  British Aerospace aka BAE Systems Inc. (long history in Australia - absorbed defence contractors AWA, Thorn, Marconi, Tenix etc)

Transfield:  Transfield Services (sold to a Spanish company in mid-2016)

SMC PLB:  SMC (Servicing and Maintenance Cell?) Puckapunyal Logistics Battalion

TSS AST:  Technical Services Squadron Army School of Transport (located at Puckapunyal)
Title: Re: Log Books with L/R?
Post by: Sixty on December 23, 2017, 10:52:01 PM
My RFSV has its original logbook with every entry in it. I'm sure sixty'a name would be in there if I looked hard enough.

Possibly...my squiggle will appear in quite a few GM120s since the early 90's  😎
Title: Re: Log Books with L/R?
Post by: dugite on December 24, 2017, 08:25:39 AM
I think there was a member's logbook showing 1300hrs. It takes the cake so far.

Mine didn't quite reach that
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it then went to Alice Springs where it was rarely used :)
Title: Re: Log Books with L/R?
Post by: Sixty on December 24, 2017, 10:43:58 AM

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Mine didn't quite reach that

it then went to Alice Springs where it was rarely used :)
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Why do you think it was rarely used..? Centre Sqn covered a lot of km patrolling that AO.
Title: Re: Log Books with L/R?
Post by: dugite on December 24, 2017, 09:18:31 PM


Why do you think it was rarely used..? Centre Sqn covered a lot of km patrolling that AO.

Hi Sixty - I posted the "rarely used" description because it is recorded as travelling less than 7000km in 4 years.

I guess they may have left this one behind a bit ? :)