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Other Vehicles => Miscellaneous Vehicles => Mercedes Benz G-Wagen => Topic started by: Freddo on July 01, 2012, 09:31:23 PM

Title: Army Land Rover replacement
Post by: Freddo on July 01, 2012, 09:31:23 PM
Hi
I spotted this today in my travels.

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Freddo

Title: Re: Army Land Rover replacement
Post by: master chief on July 02, 2012, 01:09:31 PM
Thanks Freddo, Complicated little exhaust bend at the end!.

Mods can this be moved to the G Wagon section?.

MC
Title: Re: Army Land Rover replacement
Post by: FFRMAN on July 02, 2012, 01:40:41 PM
Would the bend in the exhaust pipe be for going through water to create a air pocket in the "S" bend incase it stalls... obviously a Land Rover does not need this as they never stop!
Title: Re: Army Land Rover replacement
Post by: master chief on July 02, 2012, 04:00:19 PM
Thats quite possible, especially as the top part of the loop is a lot higher.
MC
Title: Re: Army Land Rover replacement
Post by: master chief on July 02, 2012, 08:52:44 PM
Thank You.
MC
Title: Re: Army Land Rover replacement
Post by: boxy on March 03, 2013, 11:00:34 AM
My work has ordered one the the single cab tray backs to evaluate as a possible replacement of our 79 series cruiser fleet when we cant get them soon
Title: Re: Army Land Rover replacement
Post by: Carzee on March 03, 2013, 11:33:15 AM
Thanks for the pics. Um, when we got their submarines we stipulated some Australian work content. And ditto the Perentie. And ditto the Mogs (maybe, I don't know) ... its seems its always been that way on largish taxpayer outlays. Is it a stipulation on this G.erman Wagon?
Title: Re: Army Land Rover replacement
Post by: boxy on March 03, 2013, 12:57:54 PM
Anyone else seen this

http://www.army.gov.au/Our-future/Projects/~/media/Files/Our%20work/Equipment%20and%20clothing/Vehicles/GWagon_booklet-web.ashx
Title: Re: Army Land Rover replacement
Post by: cookey on March 03, 2013, 01:53:14 PM
I see that all variants only come with auto trans......are todays diggers getting soft?

Cookey
Title: Re: Army Land Rover replacement
Post by: Carzee on March 03, 2013, 02:32:38 PM
Soft... not the Dismounted Infantrymen, but the leadership... perhaps.

I used the correct nomenclature because 'diggers' is out of date nowadays.

We were warned by the OC about individual legal action if we conducted unauthorised digging of any kind, especially hootchie drains. Sandbags were okay however, on a temporary basis. Unilateral military disturbance of the environment, without permission from, or reference to, the appropriate environmental stakeholders, could lead to erosion during rainfall and upset the local catchment with sediment and runoff. Uh huh. Digs can get prosecuted for digging.
Sadly, the above is true.
Title: Re: Army Land Rover replacement
Post by: Diana Alan on March 03, 2013, 02:55:19 PM
It's a sad day indeed when the Australian Army spends more time and money on environmental protection, hazardous material detection or remediation and workplace safety, than it seems to spend on actual soldier training.

One reserve I was talking to did a course on the minimi machine gun, because of Defence budget cuts there was a limited supply of amunition for the courses.  So half the course got to fire the weapon and the other half didn't fire anything.  But they passed the whole course.

Now it may be a soldiers myth, but if true, sending only partly trained soldiers is an inditement of the bureaucracy that allows it.
Title: Re: Army Land Rover replacement
Post by: Phoenix on March 04, 2013, 09:20:28 AM
I did see that Gwagen booklet recently when searching for something else!

Yes, most defence contracts did stipulate some level of Australian Content, but I have not heard if this phase of project overlander also stipulates that.  Might have to check the DMO website.
Title: Re: Army Land Rover replacement
Post by: AGAS 5 on March 04, 2013, 05:15:04 PM
Richard,

The Aust content for a project can be averaged over both acquisition and support contracts. It is not uncommon for acquisition to have very little - particularly if Military Off The Shelf (MOTS) is desired - but this can be made up for in the support contract.... which typicaly employs more locals over the life of type, when compared to the acquisition.

 :o

Pete
Title: Re: Army Land Rover replacement
Post by: Phoenix on March 05, 2013, 09:20:59 AM
That makes quite a lot of sense, thanks :)
Title: Re: Army Land Rover replacement
Post by: Diana Alan on March 05, 2013, 04:06:13 PM
The fact that assembly happened in Australia and it seems that the additional body work was also produced here this would also be part of the Au content.
Title: Re: Army Land Rover replacement
Post by: Carzee on September 22, 2016, 08:50:01 PM
Just found this when looking for info on trailers on duckduckgo, mentions bodywork from Varleys in Newcastle -Hunter Valley and pre-delivery work.


Minister for Defence Materiel – "1000th Mercedes-Benz G-Wagon delivered to Defence"
24 June 2013

Minister for Defence Materiel Dr Mike Kelly AM MP today announced the delivery of the 1000th Mercedes-Benz G-Wagon under Project LAND 121 Phase 3A.

The new G-Wagons, along with Australian-made trailers, are being rolled out to Army and Royal Australian Air Force units as part of LAND 121 ‘Project Overlander’, a $7.5 billion program delivering more than 7500 protected and unprotected vehicles to the Australian Defence Force (ADF) over the next decade.

“The new G-Wagons will help prepare ADF personnel for operations and provide the flexibility to undertake a wide range of tasks in difficult off-road conditions, while ensuring that Australian soldiers are better prepared and equipped,” Dr Kelly said.

The new variants are used as tactical training vehicles and for a wide range of support tasks.

“G-Wagon variants include utility, ambulance, surveillance and reconnaissance, mobile command post variants, and even a canine variant to transport military working dogs and their handlers,” Dr Kelly said.

Dr Kelly congratulated Mercedes-Benz on the delivery of the first 1000 G-Wagons, adding that the G-Wagon represents a big step forward for the ADF’s tactical training capability.

“Today’s handover of the 1000th G-Wagon represents an important milestone at the Mercedes-Benz facility in Mulgrave, Victoria,” Dr Kelly said.

“At the Mulgrave facility, modules and tray bodies provided by G.H. Varley in Newcastle are integrated with the vehicles and pre-delivery work is undertaken.”

A total of 2146 G-Wagons are being rolled out to ADF units between July 2012 and June 2016.

Media contacts:
Defence Media Operations (02) 6127 1999
Title: Re: Army Land Rover replacement
Post by: Carzee on September 22, 2016, 08:53:07 PM
Here's another mention on the Aussie content with a story about the "final" G-Wagen Sation Wagon (sic):

http://www.defence.gov.au/dmo/NewsMedia/DMOBulletin/Final-G-Wagon-Sation-Wagon-Delivered-To-Defence

 "BRIG Kohl’s visit to Mulgrave included a short tour of the Mercedes-Benz integration facility. It is here that the base G-Wagon platforms, which are manufactured in Austria on the company’s sole G-Wagon production line, are integrated with specialist modules to deliver the mission-system variants being rolled out to Army units.

"The modules being integrated at Mulgrave are supplied to Mercedes-Benz by G.H. Varley, a family-owned company from the Hunter Valley in New South Wales, with 125 years’ experience in light and heavy engineering."


+ info on numbers
"[As of June 2016] Mercedes-Benz has supplied over 1700 G-Wagons to Defence, including 440 station-wagon variants, of which 1300 have already been rolled out to units.

"The G-Wagon roll-out started back in July 2012 with deliveries to the 7th Brigade in Brisbane. Since then the roll-out has broadened to include the 1st Brigade in Darwin, with NORFORCE, the 51st Far North Queensland Regiment and the 3rd Brigade due to start receiving vehicles in the coming months.

"Currently proceeding at a rate of about 60 vehicles a month, the G-Wagon roll-out is expected to conclude in 2016."
Title: Re: Army Land Rover replacement
Post by: kman on September 22, 2016, 10:32:02 PM
So 7.5 billion for 7,500 vehicles means $1,000,000 each over their life...

Howard
Title: Re: Army Land Rover replacement
Post by: Carzee on September 23, 2016, 12:49:06 AM
That 7500 incl. Supply trucks etc and armoured vehicles.
Title: Re: Army Land Rover replacement
Post by: Carzee on May 17, 2018, 11:24:14 AM
Roll out of the G Wagen concluded in late 2016.

There have been in-service opinions good and bad about the G-Wagen.

The problem I have heard about numerous times is that the electric loom is both complex and 'fragile'. I am confident RAEME have the hassles getting sorted.

This week's Army News has a good supplement about the Battles of Coral and Balmoral in 1968 in SVN as an ANZAC Commemoration extra, but it also has a cartoon having a dig at the billion dollar G-Wagens.
Title: Re: Army Land Rover replacement
Post by: FFRMAN on May 17, 2018, 12:16:09 PM
Roll out of the G Wagen concluded in late 2016.

There have been in-service opinions good and bad about the G-Wagen.

The problem I have heard about numerous times is that the electric loom is both complex and 'fragile'. I am confident RAEME have the hassles getting sorted.

This week's Army News has a good supplement about the Battles of Coral and Balmoral in 1968 in SVN as an ANZAC Commemoration extra, but it also has a cartoon having a dig at the billion dollar G-Wagens.

Lol that's a beauty, cheers
Title: Re: Army Land Rover replacement
Post by: Mick_Marsh on May 17, 2018, 12:29:43 PM
I'd still love to have a 6x6 G-Wagon, though.
Title: Re: Army Land Rover replacement
Post by: dugite on May 17, 2018, 03:12:34 PM
I haven't seen that cartoon Ross, thanks for posting ,  it explains how they are modifying the fleet of MBs with the addition of jump starters - evidently they can't be left unused for more than 7 days without flattening the battery.

Sounds a bit like a alarm system issue ?
Title: Re: Army Land Rover replacement
Post by: AGAS 5 on May 18, 2018, 10:06:15 AM
an alarm system ?  wtf ?  lol

Title: Re: Army Land Rover replacement
Post by: dugite on May 18, 2018, 10:20:02 AM
.... ;D
Title: Re: Army Land Rover replacement
Post by: Ford Blitz on May 18, 2018, 12:21:01 PM
My work has ordered one the the single cab tray backs to evaluate as a possible replacement of our 79 series cruiser fleet when we cant get them soon

Yep my fingerprints are on that one. A very capable vehicle and one that solves the cruiser fleet recurring issues particularly around the weight problems. But not a cheap option. Be interesting to see how the trial washes up.
Title: Re: Army Land Rover replacement
Post by: Dervish on May 18, 2018, 07:22:11 PM
QPWS seems to have scads of them, I passed 3 in convoy just the other day. I have no idea where the money comes from.