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Other Vehicles => Miscellaneous Vehicles => Mercedes Benz G-Wagen => Topic started by: Tommy on June 14, 2012, 09:27:16 PM

Title: G-Wagen
Post by: Tommy on June 14, 2012, 09:27:16 PM
Two of the Valuation vehicles supplied by Mercedes Benz.

(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q121/tommykm/gwagEvaluationVehicles.jpg)

G-Wagen lineup.

(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q121/tommykm/gwag1.jpg)   (http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q121/tommykm/gwag2.jpg)

(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q121/tommykm/gwag4.jpg)   (http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q121/tommykm/gwag3.jpg)
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: Tommy on June 14, 2012, 09:29:43 PM
(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q121/tommykm/gwagb.jpg)   

(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q121/tommykm/gwagc.jpg)   (http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q121/tommykm/gwagd.jpg)

(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q121/tommykm/gwag5.jpg)   

(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q121/tommykm/gwag6.jpg)   (http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q121/tommykm/gwag7.jpg)
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: Tommy on June 14, 2012, 09:31:46 PM
(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q121/tommykm/mercedes-benz-g-wagon.jpg)   (http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q121/tommykm/gwag11.jpg)

(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q121/tommykm/gwag10.jpg)   (http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q121/tommykm/gwag8.jpg)

(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q121/tommykm/gwag9.jpg)
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: Tommy on June 14, 2012, 09:32:57 PM
New photos taken last month. Note canvas door and soft top on vehicle photo #1.

(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q121/tommykm/gwag.jpg)   (http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q121/tommykm/gwagaa.jpg)

(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q121/tommykm/gwaga.jpg)
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: skippy down under on June 16, 2012, 06:50:51 PM

Thanks for the action pics, nice trucks.
Stephen
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: Mick_Marsh on June 16, 2012, 10:24:26 PM
Thanks for the great pics.
I saw a few today parked at the proving ground.
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: Carzee on March 27, 2014, 10:16:50 PM
Some news links, the 6x6 'SRV'.
6500kg!!

http://www.strikehold.net/2013/10/02/australian-armys-new-mercedes-benz-g-wagon-6x6-srv/
207-999
(http://www.strikehold.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/G-Wagon_-6x6_surveillance_reconnaissance_vehicle_SRV_Mercedes-Benz_Australia_Australian_army_640_001.jpg)

and

http://blogs.ottawacitizen.com/2013/10/02/photo-new-australian-army-g-wagon-6x6-reconnaissance-vehicle-fitted-with-weapons-suite/
(http://postmediaottawacitizen.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/gwagon-id51420_600.jpg?w=600&h=351)
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: roughie on April 02, 2014, 10:23:21 PM
Some shots taken in Corowa this year
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: roughie on April 02, 2014, 10:25:39 PM
More
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: juddy on April 02, 2014, 10:49:43 PM
Not seen the panel version before. ? What type is it
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: Sixty on April 02, 2014, 11:18:57 PM
Its a 'postie' car, same as the 110 variant  ;)
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: juddy on April 03, 2014, 07:37:49 AM
Its a 'postie' car, same as the 110 variant  ;)
\\

POSTIE CAR?  STAFF CAR?
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: Phoenix on April 03, 2014, 12:44:43 PM
Well the post has to be delivered some way.  I'm guessing Survey.
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: juddy on September 23, 2014, 06:30:55 PM
Looking at the g wagon in more detail, what's the need for a NATO trailer socket on the front bumper?

There's no pintle on the front, and the pintle used is it the German designed one?
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: Mick_Marsh on September 23, 2014, 06:33:45 PM
Looking at the g wagon in more detail, what's the need for a NATO trailer socket on the front bumper?

There's no pintle on the front, and the pintle used is it the German designed one?
Probably so the lighting works when it is being towed.
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: juddy on September 23, 2014, 07:33:42 PM
Good point, but no other adf vehicle got one
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: Sixty on September 23, 2014, 08:40:52 PM
Good point, but no other adf vehicle got one

no other ADF vehicle was botched by engineers and politicians built by several companies separately before.....
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: THE BOOGER on September 23, 2014, 09:07:02 PM
So the G,s will be towed more than  the 110,s were ;D
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: aussiegregmac on September 23, 2014, 09:07:19 PM
hear hear to that.
(that was a hear hear to Sixties post regarding the origin of the species)
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: Landy Fan on September 27, 2014, 08:26:31 AM
Thanks for the pictures..

Will be interesting to see how they stand up in long term durability and reliability :-\

I can only imagine how expensive parts and repairs would be! As the G wagon is full of electronics.. :-\
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: FFRMAN on September 27, 2014, 09:41:24 PM
Thanks for the pictures..

Will be interesting to see how they stand up in long term durability and reliability :-\

I can only imagine how expensive parts and repairs would be! As the G wagon is full of electronics.. :-\

Did you not just say this in the G Wagon RFSV thread?


Why post it twice, exact same wording?

It just becomes jargon.
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: Landy Fan on September 28, 2014, 08:57:35 AM
oops my bad! :-[
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: aussiegregmac on September 28, 2014, 11:20:43 AM
Moderators,  I move that the Honourable Member no longer be heard.
He doesn't have a Mil. Landie (but professes to want one) , doesn't seem to know
what he's talking about (but thinks he does)  and doesn't seem to offer anything
constructive (but will argue all day that he does)
Perhaps I'm out of line and I'm in the minority.
Greg mac.
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: fc101 on September 28, 2014, 11:43:43 AM
doesn't seem to know what he's talking about (but thinks he does)  and doesn't seem to offer anything
constructive (but will argue all day that he does)


Sounds like 3/4 of the members on this forum.  ;)

While I agree that some of the posts are repetitive and annoying, as far as I can recall he had never been offesnsive on any of the three or forums he goes on and does seem to respond to the mature guidance that has been provided by other members from time to time.

Unless he becomes a serial rule breaker I think he should be allowed to stay and be nutured by us grumpy old farts as he clearly has an interest in some vehicles and maybe would grow into forum culture.

Garry
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: Barefoot dave on September 28, 2014, 05:23:55 PM
Garry, Seconded by BDave.
Subject to the directive of quitting copy/paste in different threads.
Greg, take your happy pills or take Berserker for a run. better than Zanax or anything else ;)
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: FFRMAN on September 28, 2014, 06:28:56 PM
LandyFan,

if you can get to a day where Land Rover forum members are, start to talk to them face to face, there is years of experience and you will find it will take you years to gain the knowledge so my tip of the day is - don't be impatient you will learn over time.

Ask intelligent questions, respect the answers and then do the recommended research.

FYI, I have been into Land Rovers full on since 1990 (got interested late 70's early 80's when I was your age - 23), nearly 25 years and still don't know as much as the real experts have forgotten!

regards
Scott
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: juddy on September 28, 2014, 08:41:03 PM
What Scott says is 100%, you can learn so much from people by meeting them in the flesh, you might not all ways agree on things, but you will all ways gain some knowledge and some times some fantastic story's, we all can learn be we old or young....

Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: Landy Fan on October 14, 2014, 08:54:56 AM
cheers guys..sorry if i have annoyed some of you..I apologize ;)
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: Carzee on November 03, 2015, 08:07:17 PM
I know they should be verboten, but I heard a rumour today at the barber (font of all the best rumours) was that the G-Wagon delivery program is done and dusted.

I hit Google and... GWgn ist done and dusted at 2146 units,  utilised for Training.

"LAND 121 Phase 3A (Lightweight and Light Vehicles and Trailers) is acquiring a fleet of lightweight and light vehicles for tactical training. The LAND 121 Phase 3A fleet will comprise 2146 unprotected Mercedes-Benz G-Wagons, including specialist modules, and 1799 Haulmark trailers. The Mercedes-Benz G-Wagons are replacing the current fleet of Land Rovers."

Should say some Land Rovers I think.

"LAND 121 Phase 4 will provide a fleet of around 1300 vehicles, with companion trailers, for command, liaison, utility and reconnaissance roles. These vehicles will replace around one third of the Land Rover fleet, with the Protected Mobility Vehicle – Light affording increased force protection in operational environments.
Under an agreement reached in mid-2012 between Thales Australia and the Australian Government, Thales was contracted to supply six prototype Hawkei vehicles and one prototype trailer for further testing and evaluation under the Manufactured and Supported in Australia option. These prototypes were delivered between 13 December 2012 and 23 May 2013. The vehicles are being subjected to a rigorous test program, including communications system integration testing, reliability trials, and survivability testing as well as user assessments.
As the Hawkei is still in the prototype stage, Defence is considering a range of options, including the US-led Joint Light Tactical Vehicle program. Defence also retains the possibility of sourcing a current-generation solution under the project’s Market Available Option."


[ army pr -  http://www.army.gov.au/Our-future/Projects/Project-LAND-121 dated July 2015 ]
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: FFRMAN on November 03, 2015, 08:18:28 PM
Thanks Tommy

Sounds about right. 

1000 hawkei's on the way 2017 2018.

Plenty of land rover still in service and will be for quite a while.
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: Carzee on November 03, 2015, 08:29:26 PM
The Hawkei contract was 1300 million dollars, for 1100 vehicles. Thats a per-unit average cost of $1,181,818

The Hawkei name comes from an Australian death adder, which was named after Bob Hawke. Really?

http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/story/3402571/hawkei-contract-just-the-beginning/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawkei
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: FFRMAN on November 03, 2015, 08:35:37 PM
Not quite. There's 1000 trailers. And it's whole of life support.
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: rovernut on November 03, 2015, 08:44:57 PM
The Hawkei contract was 1300 million dollars, for 1100 vehicles. Thats a per-unit average cost of $1,181,818

The Hawkei name comes from an Australian death adder, which was named after Bob Hawke. Really?

http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/story/3402571/hawkei-contract-just-the-beginning/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawkei
Just the weapons systems that some of these will have cost over $500,000 each. It is probably a reasonable price for a armoured vehicle.
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: P6X6 on November 03, 2015, 08:47:55 PM
More importantly, will they make a civy version?? They are a tough looking vehicle !
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: juddy on November 03, 2015, 08:59:48 PM
Wasting Tax payers money again. :-\
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: FFRMAN on November 03, 2015, 09:12:13 PM
Wasting Tax payers money again. :-\

How do you figure that?

High mobility armoured vehicle as capable of any in the world and competitively priced. These things do 120km/hr over rough terrain
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: Carzee on November 03, 2015, 09:14:13 PM
Not quite. There's 1000 trailers. And it's whole of life support.

Well that makes it harder to figure. The straight average is about $600,000 ...but a $600,000 trailer is a garbage-in-garbage-out result.
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: rovernut on November 03, 2015, 10:13:08 PM
Wasting Tax payers money again. :-\
I think that the guys riding in them would disagree.
What would you choose to be in in a combat zone, one of these or a G-wagon.
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: P6X6 on November 03, 2015, 10:25:13 PM
I'm going to get in trouble for this and upset someone I'm sure, but the term "winging pome" springs to mind.

Australia tax payers making Australian jobs and Australian vehicles for Australian troops. Sounds good to me?
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: juddy on November 04, 2015, 12:23:23 AM
Wasting tax payers money on projects that run late and over budget, I don't disagree with the vehicle being suitable for the job, change in warfare means up armour everything, next conflict and they may well be obsolete, time will tell.

The G Wagon is a great example of a perfectly good vehicle, that because we cant just buy off the shelf and have to change things, and not always for the good, we end up with a vehicle that is no longer capable of doing the job it was supposed to do in the first place.  Thus the tax payer ends up paying more and more to correct issues.

Yes these short lived projects do create a small number of jobs, that is good.


Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: circlework on November 04, 2015, 01:26:10 PM
Another 'short lived project' that comes to mind is the Perentie ... an Aussie re-hash that turned an average design into a legend!


Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: FFRMAN on November 04, 2015, 03:40:18 PM
Wasting tax payers money on projects that run late and over budget, I don't disagree with the vehicle being suitable for the job, change in warfare means up armour everything, next conflict and they may well be obsolete, time will tell.

The G Wagon is a great example of a perfectly good vehicle, that because we cant just buy off the shelf and have to change things, and not always for the good, we end up with a vehicle that is no longer capable of doing the job it was supposed to do in the first place.  Thus the tax payer ends up paying more and more to correct issues.

Yes these short lived projects do create a small number of jobs, that is good.

Hi Juddy,

re: Hawkei

don't mean to be rude but I think you're way off the mark on this one and it doesn't look like you are talking with any level of intimate knowledge on this subject - best not to put forward unsubstantiated  thoughts, doesn't really help anyone or the discussion.

Yes I have a level of knowledge on this one from a couple of different angles.............
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: juddy on November 04, 2015, 04:21:41 PM
Your not being rude FFRMAN at all, you have your say just like we all do. :)

The G Wagon is fact, and in the public domain, plus the chatter from defence employers backs this up.
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: FFRMAN on November 04, 2015, 04:37:09 PM
Your not being rude FFRMAN at all, you have your say just like we all do. :)

The G Wagon is fact, and in the public domain, plus the chatter from defence employers backs this up.

Ok we're all getting confused between G-Wagen and Hawkeii

G-Wagen I agree is not optimal

Hawkeii - state of the art

both are for replacing the rovers, one a replacement that is really going backwards the other a quantum leap forward.

now let's look at the MAN trucks that are replacing the Mogs!
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: P6X6 on November 04, 2015, 04:49:34 PM
Your not being rude FFRMAN at all, you have your say just like we all do. :)

The G Wagon is fact, and in the public domain, plus the chatter from defence employers backs this up.


now let's look at the MAN trucks that are replacing the Mogs!

Do you have any photos of the MAN trucks?
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: juddy on November 04, 2015, 06:14:36 PM
Are these the same MANs that the UK have used for a number of years with great success?
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: FFRMAN on November 04, 2015, 07:13:07 PM
http://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/en/rheinmetall_defence/public_relations/news/archive_2014/details_6208.php

Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: Carzee on May 05, 2016, 01:46:20 PM
One of the G-Wagen photos posted by Tommy (upthread) was 207932 as a cabchassis 6x6.

I am attaching another 207932 pic as seen in Maxx Trax point-of-sale stuff ..............Army PR? (Anyone recall if they have ever seen in-service Army assets being used in a commercial before?).
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: FFRMAN on May 05, 2016, 06:18:09 PM

  (Anyone recall if they have ever seen in-service Army assets being used in a commercial before?).

Yep, if you are associated with Defence as an approved supplier and ask permission usually they say yes
Title: Re: G-Wagen
Post by: juddy on May 05, 2016, 07:45:05 PM
Good PR for Defence in this Digital Age.