Registry of Ex Military Land Rovers

Land Rovers => Australian "Perentie " 110 & 6x6 Vehicles => Topic started by: Barefoot dave on October 03, 2013, 10:18:10 AM

Title: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Barefoot dave on October 03, 2013, 10:18:10 AM
G'day all.
As discussed, let's compile a list of hints and tips and 'more knowledgable' locations for people to have their 110 Perentie vehicles inspected and registered.
The following format is suggested;

NOTE: The following information does not constitute an endorsement or promise from REMLR or the poster of the services listed!

Cheers, Dave



State: Qld
Town/Suburb: Brisbane
Inspection Business: Mr Roadworthy (Mobile service)
Registration Station: DOT Strathpine
Notes/ suggestions: 2 of us have used Mr Roadworthy and they assigned the jobs to the same person. We told them to expect more, so they will most likely have him as the ex-mil specialist.
DOT Strathpine simply checked the chassis and engine numbers and compiance plate details.

State : QLD
Town : Coolum Beach
Inspection business : RAM Automotive, coolum beach
Registration Station : Moroochydore
Notes : RAM has done the roadworthy on my personnel & also work on another GS in the area so they know more about them than most. No dramas getting the roadworthy cert for 5 seats as per the compliance plate.
Moroochydore registration station was fairly straight forward, they double checked as it wasn't on their list & I was told that it did not require a vehicle inspection as long as it was only being registered for the number of belted, forward facing seats. ( as per compliance plate & RWC.)

Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: 303Gunner on October 03, 2013, 06:43:02 PM
In NSW, the vehicles being sold through Minto are being supplied with a NSW Blue Slip (or for vehicles over 8t GVM, a Brown Slip), provided that they are in a roadworthy condition. This greatly simplifies the registration process as no further inspection is required for NSW registration. Simply attend a NSW RMS registry with the Blue Slip, a completed Application for Registration and a paid CTP Green Slip. The registry staff do not need to view the vehicle.

The NSW Blue Slip is not valid for the purposes of interstate registration, although can be used to issue an Unregistered Vehicle Permit to drive the vehicle on a delivery trip anywhere except WA. A NSW Blue Slip is only valid for 42 days, and when expired the vehicle must be re-examinined.

Any vehicles bought from an interstate auction will require a NSW Blue Slip. A person from Australian Frontline Machinery has told me that they are willing to perform a NSW Blue Slip inspection (for the current fee) for any vehicle purchased in an interstate AFM/Grays auction
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Barefoot dave on October 03, 2013, 08:42:50 PM
Thanks T.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Syd on October 03, 2013, 11:04:01 PM
In ACT, rego think the army Land Rovers are jacked up and way to modified to register and can only be used as paddock bashers!
Best way is to get them regoed in NSW first (including having the VIN added to the National Database). Then (after fitting a keyed ignition) get it inspected at an approved ACT garage and go get your plates! Then cancel your NSW rego and CTP to get a partial refund.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Auxfire on October 06, 2013, 07:29:58 PM
State : QLD
Town : Coolum Beach
Inspection business : RAM Automotive, coolum beach
Registration Station : Moroochydore
Notes : RAM has done the roadworthy on my personnel & also work on another GS in the area so they know more about them than most. No dramas getting the roadworthy cert for 5 seats as per the compliance plate.
Moroochydore registration station was fairly straight forward, they double checked as it wasn't on their list & I was told that it did not require a vehicle inspection as long as it was only being registered for the number of belted, forward facing seats. ( as per compliance plate & RWC.)

Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Ellard on October 06, 2013, 07:33:43 PM
Hi there all

I am glad we don't have the issues you have interstate - registration in SA was easy

Wayne
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: juddy on October 19, 2013, 08:29:49 AM
All will add further to Daves First Post.

Mr Roadworthy would be my recommendation not only for Brisbane but also the Gold Coast and surrounding areas.

The chap to ask for is Tony Duce, Mobile 0400 776 564, or the office number on 1300 884 306.

Tonys a nice chap, and is well aware of whats good and bad on these Perenties, don't expect him to pass it if its got something wrong however, but lets just say he is very fair.

I have also just had my Sankey Trailer done by him, very helpful as we had to stamp some info on the build plate due to it being a Import.  Interestingly 3 people at transport gave different instructions on what we needed to do. We just followed the form and it passed.

Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: cinan on October 29, 2013, 09:35:01 PM
Does anyone have any tips or inspection places in Melbourne that have used for roadworthy inspections ?  I am in Bayside.

Andrew
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Anis90 on November 30, 2013, 03:51:21 PM
I went to geelong for mine, all I had to do is change the front disc brakes and changed the ignition barrel to a key start, and im getting my rwc on Monday Tuesday, then book in with vicroads for the inspection, shouldn't have much trouble getting a rwc for one as all the cars come pretty rwc when sold
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: cinan on November 30, 2013, 11:06:20 PM
I have had mine RWC'd at Argus Automotive in Cheltenham,  all good except for the rear door seal and a steering rubber bot but fixed pretty easy and then picked up the club plates yesterday.  She's back on patrol as of this morning .....
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Anis90 on November 30, 2013, 11:15:06 PM
good to see that they don't need much for rwc.
club plates?
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: cinan on December 01, 2013, 09:55:04 AM
Club plates allow you to use the vehicle (has to be older than 25 years old) in Victoria for 90 days per year for $130 rather than the usaul $600 for a full rego.  You have to be a member of a club,  so I joined the LR owners club of Victoria for $130 per year so it works out a lot cheaper ...
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Anis90 on December 01, 2013, 09:57:33 AM
ahh yea that's fair enough then
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: aussiegregmac on December 01, 2013, 01:31:56 PM
30 year old in Queensland.   Perfect one day, crappy the next.   :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: FFRMAN on December 01, 2013, 01:41:21 PM
Club plates allow you to use the vehicle (has to be older than 25 years old) in Victoria for 90 days per year for $130 rather than the usaul $600 for a full rego.  You have to be a member of a club,  so I joined the LR owners club of Victoria for $130 per year so it works out a lot cheaper ...


Dont forget on club plates you dont pay stamp duty either saving $40/1000. That is also a big saving.

VMVC is $50 per year membership.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Young Eric on December 02, 2013, 02:40:39 PM
You can also get a 45 day permit, instaed of the 90 day permit. It costs $67.50.
If you need more days later on, you can get another 45 days.
Trailers can also be on the club permit scheme, and are exempt from the TAC charge, my Number 5 trailer costs $22.50 for 45 days.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: philmcdau on December 11, 2013, 08:33:58 PM
Hey there,

Retired ARN 49 361 today in Ipswich Queensland. It now has civi plates.

Roadworthy done ny Mr Roadworthy, they came to the house $110.00 . The only issue he had was with the engine number but we sorted that looking through the logs that came with her.

QLD Transport was another issue...... Licensing Centre in Ipswich. It took them an hour to work out that it was no longer a Military Only registration and they had to mark it as 'no compliance plate' fitted , although checks on the phone showed it was compliant with use on the roads and Australian Standards.

They have actually registered it as a Defender 4 x 4 as they couldn't find 110 in their system, if they wanted to call it a ferrari I didn't care as long as it was registered.......

Purchased compulsory third party prior to registration from QBE, they listed it as a Landrover Ute, Class 6 ...... Licensing didn't like that and made it a class 1 passenger vehicle. Had to cancel the QBE insurance I paid for yesterday and purchase through QLD transport.

After all the mucking around it was really a pretty simple process without any major hassle.

I am just glad I can pull it out of the garage now and go play.......... 8)

Phil
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Anis90 on December 12, 2013, 06:26:41 AM
it was the same for me too I was in vicroads almost an hour looking and searching for the car, and on my rego sticker it says jeep ute, I realised that once I got home, but oh well all worth the wait
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Richard Farrant on December 12, 2013, 08:32:38 AM
Sounds like your registration people are no different to ours in the UK. When my brother registered his 1944 Willys MB jeep many years ago, they entered "Land Rover" as the vehicle type in the registration document! He was most put out  :)
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: rowan mitchell on January 07, 2014, 01:47:38 PM
How do all,

It's been a journey getting Lurch the 6x6 Perentie registered here in the Northern Territory but I have succeeded in getting a temporary 3 months whilst I deal with the issues that still concern them at MVR ( Motor Vehicle Registry ).

Note: It is now compulsory to have MVR check any of these ex-military vehicles unless you can 'hide' them as ordinary 4x4's - obviously a 6x6 is not so easy to fool them with heh.

So...what had to be done.

Remove sirens - I removed the horn from the front and they seem happy enough with that.

Remove red flashing beacons ( you cannot have blue or red but you can fit any other colour such as the amber or green ones - I will fit some later on 

I would avoid the indigo ones as they are a little to close to the red/blue ones )

Entirely remove all tool clamps on the bonnet ( I also removed the antennae mount as I found that the law states it must be on the left hand side to avoid driver vision issues and as far back as possible and mine was mounted on the right hand side )

Totally dismantle the black out system including all blackout lamps fittings on the front, rear and diff

If you wish to keep seat belts in the rear for passengers you will need to get approval  from the TAC ( Technical Advisory Committee ) and may need to pay an engineering firm for testing and compliance ratings. The rear facing seat will NOT pass without an engineering check which can cost up to 2000 dollars. Advice from an engineer on the phone is that it is unlikely to pass due to the way they are constructed as they do not back on to anything solid enough ( or mine didn't :-P  )
I have put on my application to TAC and now await the verdict

Because it is a heavy vehicle the rego cost is a little higher . I don't know how much a full year is but three months cost me:

Rego: $ 192.75
CTP Contribution: $ 127.90 GST Incl.
Admin: $9.00
Inspection Fee: 93.50 GST Incl.

The big hit was the stamp duty ( one-off fee ) which for me was $645.00 based on 3% of purchase price so I'm told.

I have attached a scan of the document they gave me. I apologise for the quality , particularly of the second sheet but my scanner is on the blink :-(.

Sheet two says it is recommeded to have:

an ignition key/lock or vehicle immobiliser
lockable doors

both these are for insurance purposes rather than roadworthiness.

My feeling is it is only going to get tougher.

MVR are pretty grumpy about these vehicles as most people are arguing with them about the required mods.

For me it is not an issue as I did not purchase Lurch to keep as an army vehicle so I am perfectly happy to comply with their requirements.

There may be avenues you can pursue to keep the fittings etc but I don't know what they are. Probably need to deal with the TAC over them ( such things as sirens, beacons, blackout etc )

Hope this helps and feel free to ask anything in case I have missed something.

Rowan
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Barefoot dave on January 07, 2014, 06:37:42 PM
Geez, Mate. Talk about an epic!
What happened to NT being the easy going state?!

All Qld does is confirm the VIN, Engine and Chassis#!
Well don for perserveering.
Sounds like NT is the place to watch for ex-mil external accessories....
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: rowan mitchell on January 07, 2014, 07:15:12 PM
Geez, Mate. Talk about an epic!
What happened to NT being the easy going state?!

All Qld does is confirm the VIN, Engine and Chassis#!
Well don for perserveering.
Sounds like NT is the place to watch for ex-mil external accessories....

Yeah...

 I think the reasons are two fold here.

ONE: this is a big armed forces place ( Darwin ) and so there is more concentration on these vehicles now that ADF have clearly stated that their ex-vehicles may not be at all acceptable to aussie road compliance.

TWO: This is a big redneck town and everybody wants to keep it all tough and army like ( not me....) and they have been very argumentative with the MVR inspectors which has got their backs up....and there is alot of 'temporary removals' happening.

I actually only got the 3 months temp rego becaue I was polite and ready to comply....after all...what am I going to use a blackout system for?

I kept all the wiring as it may be useful for other items...but like I said- I am wanting a 6 wheel drive fun machine, not an army vehicle. I want one of those I can join the reserves as a driver heh.

personally I was really happy the rego cost was minimal considering how expensive it gets in NSW :-)

As for externals...yeah I have a few now. But not the LED blackout lights as I had to drill them off and that didn't do them any good.

Once I have decided what to keep I will give the rest away to ex-military restoring types...haven't got much but no point having it go to waste :-)
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Diana Alan on January 07, 2014, 08:35:40 PM
Why don't you keep the removed bits boxed up and hand them on to the next owner after you're done?
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: 303Gunner on January 07, 2014, 09:08:18 PM
ONE: this is a big armed forces place ( Darwin ) and so there is more concentration on these vehicles now that ADF have clearly stated that their ex-vehicles may not be at all acceptable to aussie road compliance.

WHAT!?! When did they do/say this? Do you have a copy of any paperwork or statement declaring this? As compliance is a national requirement, this would have impacts in other States as well.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Mick_Marsh on January 07, 2014, 11:23:51 PM
ONE: this is a big armed forces place ( Darwin ) and so there is more concentration on these vehicles now that ADF have clearly stated that their ex-vehicles may not be at all acceptable to aussie road compliance.

WHAT!?! When did they do/say this? Do you have a copy of any paperwork or statement declaring this? As compliance is a national requirement, this would have impacts in other States as well.
Simple, they have a compliance plate fitted, so they comply.
I noticed in the description of some "no compliance plate fitted". It must have been removed for one reason or another.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: fc101 on January 07, 2014, 11:45:15 PM

Simple, they have a compliance plate fitted, so they comply.


The vehicle might comply but not necessarily the aftermarket accessories ie the convoy lights etc
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: rowan mitchell on January 08, 2014, 10:30:16 AM
ONE: this is a big armed forces place ( Darwin ) and so there is more concentration on these vehicles now that ADF have clearly stated that their ex-vehicles may not be at all acceptable to aussie road compliance.

WHAT!?! When did they do/say this? Do you have a copy of any paperwork or statement declaring this? As compliance is a national requirement, this would have impacts in other States as well.

Hi again,

I apologise. I may have over reached.

The only documentation is what I attached and in that it is implied that they may not be up to scratch.

Outside of the 'extras' such as blackout/convoy lighting etc it is now being suggested here ( see document ) that the upper anchorage for the safety belts in the front may not be strong enough and  the rear seatbelts may need engineering compliance checks The more these items are investigated the more potential there is for it to become a bigger issue and thus for more issues to be found.

It could get very costly for folks if we find we need to make structural changes to the seatbelt anchor points or pay engineering firms to check/test them.

Some of this is also word of mouth. The inspector I had third time round was ex army and he told me that the army 'was aware' of these issues when they put these vehicles up for auction.

Likely it will all calm down once the bulk of the vehicles have been processed but the attitude that is being handed out by people trying to register vehicles here is not helping.

All inspectors I have had to deal with are unhappy about the vehicles and the troubles they are getting from people when they are told they need to do this and that to get the registration.

The more this occurs the more scrutiny we will get and possibly the more issues that could come to light.

So sorry if I freaked anyone out and I hope I have clarified my statement.    8)

Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: fc101 on January 08, 2014, 11:09:50 AM
Seatbelts are covered by the ADRs and will have the appropriate numbers on the compliance plate so they are compliant - the NT inspectors are barking up the wrong tree on this aspect.

Garry
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: THE BOOGER on January 08, 2014, 12:12:41 PM
I suspect some inspectors have been listening to the prerelease rumors from the tojo driving brigade. Garry is right the seat belts are covered under the compliance plate and adrs noted on it, if inspectors take it upon them selves to make new rules then they will have a lot of unhappy customers :(
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: rowan mitchell on January 08, 2014, 02:18:48 PM
Yes I agree MVR challenging the ADR rating is pretty on the nose.....

That is why I am 'digging my heels in' over this particular issue.

I will be interested to see what the TAC makes of it as there seem to be other complications in regard to what else is in the back  ie: swing down stretcher frames , the adequacy of the seating/padding itself, ventilation and visibility.

I think they are pretty much making it up as they go along which is a very dangerous thing indeed!!!!

And, I also agree, is going to make people very unhappy.Well, it already has it seems...

I myself will be very disappointed if I can't transport people in the back as it will limit the use to only 3 people and that would be a shame.

There are a number of easy day trip journeys up here that would be great to take a bunch of people on for a family/friends outing or what have you

Guess I will let you know when I find out  :-\

Should have registered in QLD   :D
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: THE BOOGER on January 08, 2014, 03:42:16 PM
I realise yours is an ambulance but the seats in the rear of Cash In transit trucks(armoured cars) would be covered under the same rules as your rear seats so if they are legal then yours should be too ;)
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: aussiegregmac on January 08, 2014, 03:45:46 PM
The question of carrying more people than the compliance plate says has been canvassed in the forum over the last 12 months.
Ever since the 6x6s have become available.  Same applies to 4x4 GS or FFR.  The compliance plate rules.
In other words you'll find the 6x6 compliance will say three in the cab.  That's it.
Beyond that you'll need an engineer inspection plate to cover anyone in the back and don't even think of mounting the personnel seated sideways.
So lotsa luck.
Greg Mac.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: THE BOOGER on January 08, 2014, 03:50:49 PM
yep compliance is for 3 but the ambo has a fourth rearward facing seat in the back between the stretchers so it should not be to hard to have complianced the fold down stretchers in other states can stay but not be used when veh in being driven :)
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: aussiegregmac on January 08, 2014, 04:00:03 PM
The rear facing seat should qualify.  should also have suitable seatbelts as well.
I can't believe the angst from State to State.  Or are people just making it hard.
Greg
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Diana Alan on January 08, 2014, 04:23:22 PM
yep compliance is for 3 but the ambo has a fourth rearward facing seat in the back between the stretchers so it should not be to hard to have complianced the fold down stretchers in other states can stay but not be used when veh in being driven :)
Its interesting, the drop leg stretchers mentioned in another thread, manufactured by DHS are actually ADR compliant.  They are fitted with retractable 4 point harnesses for the patient and the floor mechanism is compliant with the standards for restraint anchorages. 

The rear facing seat is also ADR compliant in NSW Ambulance Service vehicles, so one wonders why similar seats in the 6x6 Perentie ambulances wouldn't comply in the NT?
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Paulak on January 17, 2014, 08:22:55 PM
Any issues in W A ? Im going over pits on Monday.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: stephendavis on January 17, 2014, 08:48:52 PM
Any issues in W A ? Im going over pits on Monday.
There are lots of issues in WA that's why I live on the east coast  ;}
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Tommy on January 17, 2014, 10:16:49 PM
There are lots of issues in WA that's why I live on the east coast  ;}

LOL ;D :-X
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: richard c on January 31, 2014, 08:06:24 PM
got my 6x6 ambulance registered in Victoria yesterday. 

Registered as a 3 seater as per the compliance plate even though there are only 2 seats in the front.  The 'roadworthy guy asked me how many I wanted', I said '3 in accordance with the plate' to avoid any hassles

On the VicRoads web page it talks about the registration costs for heavy vehicles (I believe these are standardised nationally).  A couple of pages down it says that a 3 axle vehicle with two axles less than 1 meter apart counts as a 2 axle, 4 as 3 etc)  The local guy knew nothing about this and could not get an answer from Head Office.  After many attempted phone calls he gave up and registered it as '2 axle' saving me many hundreds of $. :D

He also had to load all the data onto the 'National Database' as it had not been loaded for these Vin numbers - that had meant a few days delay from last week. (does this apply to all Perentes or just 6x6?  or just mine?)

Quite some messing around with the registration people (VicRoads) but the Roadworth Check (RWC) went quite well - only a slightly loose prop-shaft, a cracked lens and a praised lens (I swapped the lenses with two from inside the rear module).

I'm right for now - just need to decide next year whether to get another RWC and transfer it to Club Plates or to keep it registered as a truck (its 25th birthday is in September)

all good really :D
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Barefoot dave on January 31, 2014, 10:29:38 PM
Congrats, Richard.
That is very interesting news about the axles, will check the NCOP about that.
Might help a lot of people.
Glad to hear it all went fairly smoothly.
BDave
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: 303Gunner on February 01, 2014, 12:06:40 AM
Congrats, Richard.
That is very interesting news about the axles, will check the NCOP about that.
Might help a lot of people.

BDave
&#(@!!!!!

The same also applies in NSW!! See the very bottom of page 6 of the NSW Form:

http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/publicationsstatisticsforms/downloads/45070561e.pdf

Knowing this would have saved me over $320, the difference in rego for a 2 axle vs 3 axle truck.

I'm going to see if this can be amended at the RTA, at the very best to refund me the difference, at the very least to save me paying the higher amount each renewal.

For others, here the various State's pages:

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/Registration/FeesFormsAndFAQs/Fees/HeavyVehicleFees.htm
http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Registration/Registering-vehicles/Registration-codes-for-heavy-vehicles.aspx
http://www.legislation.sa.gov.au/LZ/C/R/MOTOR%20VEHICLES%20(NATIONAL%20HEAVY%20VEHICLES%20REGISTRATION%20FEES)%20REGULATIONS%202008/2010.06.09_(2008.06.05)/2008.69.UN.PDF

ACT, WA and NT have not clearly spelt out their rules, but as it relates to the "National Heavy Vehicle charges", I would expect the classifying of categories to be standardised nationwide.

Grr, off to RTA!
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: philmcdau on February 10, 2014, 12:04:51 AM
I am looking at transferring my QLD rego to WA rego now I am here.

Biggest challenge is that due to not owning it fo a 12 month period it will need an inspection. If owned and registered for 12 months you do not need the inspection and it is just a plate swap and paper transfer.

I  have two choices, wait 12 months and just do it the easy way, or go through another inspection, having just got through it in QLD.

Are there any hints from anyone in WA that have made the change or registered after inspection.

Do I heed to get an imobiliser, key locks for the doors etc ???? any help appreciated from WA.
Thanks Phil
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Paulak on February 10, 2014, 10:35:37 AM
Gday Phil, No problems here in WA. I went to Hosts autos in Northam. No immobiliser needed if over 25 years old. No ignition key needed. Doors don't need to be lockable. The car just has to be roadworthy. Seeya. Paul.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: philmcdau on February 10, 2014, 11:44:18 AM
Sweet thanks for that Paul.

I think I had hosts do some stuff on an old ambulance I had when I was working in Northam a few years back.  I might go pay them a visit.

Thanks again
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: AlexR on February 15, 2014, 07:12:57 PM
Do you need a truck licence to drive a 6x6?
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: boxy on February 15, 2014, 08:07:07 PM
I believe you need a Light Rigid if in NSW.  as it is over 4.5 tonne
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Young Eric on February 15, 2014, 09:29:15 PM
same in Vic.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: B 52 on February 16, 2014, 01:24:21 PM
The 110 went through without a question or mod and the two trailers the pin can stay on the rear but I'm not allowed to tow the two of them. The stamped vin took a while to track down otherwise no problems. I also needed to ask Diana A who built the trailers. Answer ADI
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
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Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: dodgeguy1942 on February 16, 2014, 09:50:50 PM
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Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: AlexR on February 16, 2014, 09:54:43 PM
Think I found the problem. Try that now.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: 303Gunner on February 20, 2014, 11:43:43 PM
Congrats, Richard.
That is very interesting news about the axles, will check the NCOP about that.
Might help a lot of people.

BDave
&#(@!!!!!

The same also applies in NSW!! See the very bottom of page 6 of the NSW Form:

http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/publicationsstatisticsforms/downloads/45070561e.pdf

Knowing this would have saved me over $320, the difference in rego for a 2 axle vs 3 axle truck.

I'm going to see if this can be amended at the RTA, at the very best to refund me the difference, at the very least to save me paying the higher amount each renewal.

For others, here the various State's pages:

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/Registration/FeesFormsAndFAQs/Fees/HeavyVehicleFees.htm
http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Registration/Registering-vehicles/Registration-codes-for-heavy-vehicles.aspx
http://www.legislation.sa.gov.au/LZ/C/R/MOTOR%20VEHICLES%20(NATIONAL%20HEAVY%20VEHICLES%20REGISTRATION%20FEES)%20REGULATIONS%202008/2010.06.09_(2008.06.05)/2008.69.UN.PDF

ACT, WA and NT have not clearly spelt out their rules, but as it relates to the "National Heavy Vehicle charges", I would expect the classifying of categories to be standardised nationwide.

Grr, off to RTA!
Thanks to RichardC, today I received a cheque in the mail from the RTA for $255, as a pro rata refund on the excess National Truck charges I paid.  ;D

So to confirm, although the description of the vehicle remains "3 axle rigid truck", for NTC charging purposes it is charged as a 2 axle truck because the two rear axles have a spacing of 940mm.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: THE BOOGER on February 21, 2014, 12:17:46 AM
Good to see some one get a win out of the bureaucrats  :)
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: richard c on February 21, 2014, 08:28:29 AM
303gunner

glad I was of help - makes these sort of websites even better :D

richard c
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Phoenix on February 21, 2014, 11:16:15 AM
That is fantastic news!! There is hope I may be able to own a 6x6 one day yet!
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Barefoot dave on February 21, 2014, 06:15:58 PM
"Thanks to RichardC, today I received a cheque in the mail from the RTA for $255, as a pro rata refund on the excess National Truck charges I paid.  ;D "
33% to Richard, 33% to REMLR and 33% for you, Tony!
  :P 8)

Great to see our Community winning!
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: brenhondadakar on February 28, 2014, 05:43:05 PM
hey guys i have had a problem registering my Perentie because of the exhaust  coming out the left hand side.

has anyone else had similar problems in SA
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Phoenix on March 01, 2014, 12:21:45 PM
That shouldn't be a drama.  I mean if I recall the ADR's state that the fuel filler and exhaust are supposed to be on fidderent sides of the vehicel, but that is the only reference i've seen to that being an issue.  Wayne has registered his in SA, he may know more.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: PJ on April 07, 2014, 08:24:31 PM
I have just registered my 6x6 motorhome on the gold coast. The  person at the transport department was very good about it , but not a quick job. The documents I presented were tare weight. safety certificate and certifiers report. I had to take the motorhome to the department . The checked it for Vin number, which we could not find, so they took it off the original Mod plate. door rear left hand side , fire extinguisher, cooking facilities and storage.
The original GVM is 5700 KG. Because it's now a motorhome the GVM is now 4495 KG. To get it registered below the 4500  Kg I had to get it certified.  All together I had to have 6 different certification codes  cost 650 dollars.  Because its below the 4500 kg I don't need to have it inspected every year and registration is  800 per year.  I can travel with 6 people 2  front and 4 at the back.

Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: isuzutoo-eh on April 16, 2014, 02:29:03 PM
For: NSW Blue Slip/Unregistered Vehicle Inspection Report/Registration

State: NSW
Town/Suburb: Sydney/Parramatta area
Inspection Business: Eian Jones Automotive (Unit 41, 2 Richard Close, North Rocks, NSW, 2151)
Registration Station: RMS Parramatta (aka Service NSW)
Notes/ suggestions: Eian Jones Auto required an RMS approved weighbridge ticket (Tuffy Mufflers@Epping did it for $35) as he couldn't find a tare for a soft top 110, otherwise no hassles. He did emphasise that he didn't want me sticking around getting in the way, wanted to do it in his own time during the day. It was done before lunchtime same day.
 Rego at RMS was easy enough, it is listed as a Land Rover 110 85 onwards with body type Convertible :) thus attracting lower costs than my Series which is apparently a ute :( To get it as Convertible get your blue slip station to write it down as such...RMS just follow the forms.

This was for an FFR bought in QLD and driven back to Sydney, obviously without Grays' blue slip. Might be good for those rebuilding a wreck/inoperable example.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: CharlieG on June 12, 2014, 11:46:20 PM
Hi all, a Canberra registration experience. Got my (ex Barefoot Dave's) Perentie four door hard top back from Canberra Motor Works and took it over the pits at Dickson - nothing too substantive that needs to be addressed, but Christ they're fussy.


All in all, not too much to fix. I may need to put out an SOS for headrests though - if anyone has a pair spare they want to sell, or indeed if anyone has a pair in Canberra or nearby that they'd like to lend me for the purposes of an inspection...

Cheers,

Charlie
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: CharlieG on June 13, 2014, 12:00:50 AM
Oh, and the bloody exhaust pipe apparently needs to face the back, not the side. Sigh.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: THE BOOGER on June 13, 2014, 12:03:15 AM
I think you may be the first that had child restraints mentioned :(
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: juddy on June 13, 2014, 12:06:32 AM
We had one here that required it
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Mick_Marsh on June 13, 2014, 02:30:57 AM
Oh, and the bloody exhaust pipe apparently needs to face the back, not the side. Sigh.
That is rubbish.
Do yourself a favour, read up on the ADR's.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: FFRMAN on June 13, 2014, 09:00:50 AM
Hi Charlie,

Why do you have to disable the dimmer switch, all moder cars have dimer switches for the dash lights - or do you mean the reduced/black out switch??

cheers
Scott
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: kman on June 13, 2014, 10:21:27 AM
That's BS! I have a 99 TD5 Defender Extreme and it does NOT have child restraints! Ask them what ADR requires that for your year model...

Howard

I think you may be the first that had child restraints mentioned :(
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Barefoot dave on June 13, 2014, 04:06:38 PM
G'day Charlie. I am relieved that there are no great dramas.
The head rests, exhaust and restraints all complied with ADRs at time of build.
THAT is what counts.
The head rests were a later army mod.
Blackout lights is easy;remove the knob and locating screws and push the unit through. Add a small plastic plug or screw in the hole, et voila. Disabled yet easily enabled for authenticity.
Head lights; remove cover 4 screws and the adjustment screws are visible at centre bottom and one side of the light.
The weigbridge requirement mystifies me. Are you or they registering it as a commercial vehicle?

I think we all have had a vehicle passed then needed to replace something.
My RFSV needed a new light switch a week after rego. They don't wear out that quickly!
Cheers, Dave.

Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: fc101 on June 13, 2014, 04:48:39 PM
If the vehicle had previously been registered (in Qld I presume) then it did not need to go to Dickson (the den of the devil) but could have gone to any garage with an authorized inspection station.

Garry
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: CharlieG on June 17, 2014, 09:04:12 AM
Hi Garry - yeah, that was my impression too, but the inspectors CMW use were reluctant.

And Dave - yup, she's running well. CMW we're impressed by how well, so that's good. Is she still registered up there by the way? Appreciate your patience if so - shouldn't be too much longer.

I've spent long hours on the internet, and I think the exhaust requirement doesn't apply to a 1988. As far as I can tell that was introduced in rule 42 in 1989, so it can't apply to a 1988-constructed car any more than the requirement for traction control can. Unsure if I'll be able to persuade the inspector of this though - might want to pick my battles.

Child restraints also clearly aren't required.

The headrests, though, I think are needed. So - do the headrestless seats have holes for putting headrests in? It feels like there might be a ring under the fabric, but I can't really tell without taking it apart. If not, is there a source for the new seats? Or a source for headrests?
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: 303Gunner on June 17, 2014, 05:10:29 PM
The seats were made by ISRI (http://www.isri.com.au/en/products.html), an Australian company in Wetherill Park in Sydney. The model number of the seats fitted to a Perentie are 450-179 for the Driver and 450-180 for the passenger. These seats no longer appear in Isri's model list. The Headrest for the Perentie was 450-906. Isri do list a black vinyl headrest, you should contact them to see if it will replace the 450-906, or if that one is still available.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: CharlieG on June 17, 2014, 05:42:22 PM
Thanks Gunner, I'll give them a call. Other option I was considering was calling AFM to see if they'd sell me a couple - they must have some lying around.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Barefoot dave on June 17, 2014, 08:16:49 PM
G'Day Charlie. I have a mental blank if the seats are the early ISRI or Stratos type.
If Stratos: HYG 5648 (Stratos PN: 10.546)

 You might find the following interesting. NOTE for educational purposes only! A.C.E

Head restraints to be fitted as detailed below:
a. In both seat types there are two vertical tubes located beneath the vinyl
trim in the seat squab back as shown in Fig 5.
b. Locate the tubes by feeling for them beneath the vinyl and when located
carefully cut vinyl with a sharp instrument to expose. the apertures as shown
in Fig 5.
c. On ISRI seat only fit ferrules (Item In from Table 1) by placing over tubes
and forcing downwards until flush with the seat squab.
d. Fit head restraints into tubes until flush with the seat squab.
Note :
1. Should the head restraints not engage fully in the tubes it may be
necessary to use an 8mm ream or drill to remove any restriction in the
tubes,
FIG 5 - FITTING OF HEAD RESTRAINTS






Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: CharlieG on June 18, 2014, 09:09:36 AM
Thanks Dave - I'll take a look this evening. Have barely had a chance to do anything this week. Still haven't heard from the rego officials.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: CharlieG on July 01, 2014, 02:56:11 PM
And registered! Agreed to straighten the tailpipe - there's no ADR that applies, but apparently the "inspection standards" have changed. Hmm.

Borrowed some headrests from Canberra Motor Works (very kind of them), am picking some up from AFM on Thursday (also very kind if them).

CMW installed a "hat" over the blackout knob socket, so all the hardware's still there, but it's disabled.

Holes in the floor plugged with bolts, one parking light held together with chewing gum and paper clips (more or less) pending the arrival of a replacement. Held together for long enough!

Hooray!

Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Barefoot dave on July 01, 2014, 03:09:58 PM
Great news Charlie!
I never thought I would say this, but I think Qld is the easiest state to register a Perentie!  :o

Which parker was the problem?
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Mick_Marsh on July 01, 2014, 04:23:27 PM
Great news Charlie!
I never thought I would say this, but I think Qld is the easiest state to register a Perentie!  :o

Which parker was the problem?
Second only to Victoria.

I didn't have to change the exhaust outlet.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: sydneymver on July 01, 2014, 04:57:42 PM
NSW for me, I didn't have to do A thing,,,,,,,but I will say for Historic Rego Vic wins over NSW
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Diana Alan on July 01, 2014, 06:10:02 PM
You will never get me to admit the Victorian Club plate system (apart from the 25 year eligibility part) is superior to the NSW system.

Yes there are restrictions, but in NSW I can go on a club trip that takes six months and 4 states still on the one annual fee.  Under the Vistorian system, I would have to use two different cars and the registration cost would end up not much less than full registration.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Minikeg on July 01, 2014, 06:59:28 PM
My biggest rego hassle was having a 'original' printed greenslip and not a copy/fax/email version..

NSW wins again.. :P
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: CharlieG on July 01, 2014, 07:58:43 PM
Hi Dave, front left is the issue. Works, but the bulb pops out of the socket. I've ordered an el cheapo replacement, but will LED them all eventually, I think.

The guy I had this morning didn't know what the blackout system was - I suspect if I'd had him the first time I wouldn't have had half the issues I did...
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Barefoot dave on July 01, 2014, 08:46:24 PM
Charlie; glad to hear it wasn't anything major.
All good then.
Cheers.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: CharlieG on July 01, 2014, 09:08:00 PM
Indeed - I'm very pleased. Thanks for your help along the way. Will take it into the mountains with my jeep-owning mates this weekend, hopefully.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: ChrisJ on October 26, 2014, 06:41:24 PM
I had a terrible experience Friday at Regency Pk.
my post on another site
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/coil-sprung-military-land-rovers/208491-no-rego-allowed.html
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: ChrisJ on November 03, 2014, 09:13:03 PM
Got RFSV registered today sans rear seat & side baskets, vehicle standards never responded so inspector said all good. :)
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: FFRMAN on November 03, 2014, 09:15:13 PM
Got RFSV registered today sans rear seat & side baskets, vehicle standards never responded so inspector said all good. :)

Well done.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Carzee on January 05, 2015, 10:48:09 AM
Its been a few months since there were any updates to this info.
Any recent registration issues or have the issues all smoothed out?

I am particularly interested in any reports on the ACT "original rego" situation. I know of two people approaching Perentie rego here soon, both do not have plates as they are from the AFM auctions.

It is still better to transfer in from NSW or any out of state rego -that much wouldn't have changed- but are there any more recent experiences with 'original registration'?
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Robert 42 on February 08, 2015, 08:08:20 AM
Hi All, Im about to run the gauntlet and reg . the 6x6 this coming month ,I didn't have much trouble getting a travel perment to bring her up from Melbourne, also didn't have a lot getting a bump Insurance with the RACV.. So they have me on their books .
Have lined up a RWC with the local guy,but haven't told him just what it is. just a 4 wheel drive Landy.. Carnt wait to see his face..
Will let you know how it all goes..
Bob... 
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Mick_Marsh on February 08, 2015, 12:10:05 PM
Hi All, Im about to run the gauntlet and reg . the 6x6 this coming month ,I didn't have much trouble getting a travel perment to bring her up from Melbourne, also didn't have a lot getting a bump Insurance with the RACV.. So they have me on their books .
Have lined up a RWC with the local guy,but haven't told him just what it is. just a 4 wheel drive Landy.. Carnt wait to see his face..
Will let you know how it all goes..
Bob...
Bear in mind, the 6x6 has a GVM of 5.6t. The RWC guy that does cars can only give a RWC for vehicles up to 4t GVM.
Make sure the guy giving the RWC is licensed for vehicles above 4t GVM.

Other than that, it should be a doddle.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: BEARMAN on February 08, 2015, 12:26:00 PM
Bob, I would check with the transport dept first as to what they require before you get the roadworthy. Every state is different but in Qld you don't even need a roadworthy if the vehicle has never been on their database. Silly me got a roadworthy before I checked. All that I had to do was present the vehicle so they could verify the VIN, present the mod paperwork for changing the GVM from 5600 to 4495kg and wait overnight while they checked and entered the VIN on the database and pay the money the next day plus the stamp duty for the purchase price (robbers - who said ned kelly was dead). It is worthwhile getting the GVM lowered here, about 1/2 the price on 4495kg compared to 5600 plus no annual inspection and can be driven with a normal car licence. Good luck mate!!!
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: B 52 on February 08, 2015, 06:15:49 PM
I put 48 367 carryall over the pits last week without a problem. The only remark was how good the condition of the vehicle was and how do the blackout lights work. I can't use the seats in the rear without seat belts, which is obvious and a change to the compliance plate which lists seating 5.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Mick_Marsh on February 09, 2015, 12:15:36 AM
Bob, I would check with the transport dept first as to what they require before you get the roadworthy. Every state is different but in Qld you don't even need a roadworthy if the vehicle has never been on their database. Silly me got a roadworthy before I checked. All that I had to do was present the vehicle so they could verify the VIN, present the mod paperwork for changing the GVM from 5600 to 4495kg and wait overnight while they checked and entered the VIN on the database and pay the money the next day plus the stamp duty for the purchase price (robbers - who said ned kelly was dead). It is worthwhile getting the GVM lowered here, about 1/2 the price on 4495kg compared to 5600 plus no annual inspection and can be driven with a normal car licence. Good luck mate!!!
Good advice for Queensland. Bob is in Mildura. I'm assuming he will be going through the Vicroads registration process. He will need to get a roadworthy. A weigh bridge ticket is also needed.
These things weigh just shy of 4t. If you change the GVM, you will only be able to carry 500kg.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Robert 42 on February 13, 2015, 11:45:14 AM
Well I have the little RWC in my hand, all went well they ( all the workers) just wanted to look it over and asked all the question .Didnt ask about blackout lights, did a brake test 52% what ever that means.. ...
 Im not complaining one bit. Didnt need a weightbridge ticket , but I did put it over and it went 3740 kgs.

NEXT  rego branch.. have to book in, will do that to day and get a price...
Bob..
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Robert 42 on February 14, 2015, 10:20:07 AM
Made the time to go and get this done that cost $45. then the stamp duty around $750 , rego on a pension $ 350 , new plate $35 to keep the old plate $130 ??
Odds and bits $55..
Plus I had to pay SD on the gst of the total price when brought ,they dont miss you do they...
All up around first rego12 months $1200...Victoria on the pension HC card.
Bob...
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Robert 42 on February 20, 2015, 12:16:12 PM
Never say yep all done, Went in today and fronted up with all the T xed and the I dotted, right . Then the lady says is that a Jackaroo , I look funny and say no its a LandRover. Well the engine number is the same as a Jackaroo in QLD, carnt reg. it untill we sort that out. Big talks behind closed doors. All smiles we will put 4BDT on your number. OK Its a gower .15 min later, No! the  vin number wont go in, as much as they try nogo, So a few photos of the vin and a email to the vin.number dep. still negative out come.
After a hour of waiting , sorry we will ring you when its all done , make take a few days... The good bit I dont have to take her back to get the plates when they ring..
Just smile and say thats fine thank you. They did try... Bob...
Hopefuly Monday....
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: BEARMAN on February 21, 2015, 07:37:10 AM
Good advice for Queensland. Bob is in Mildura. I'm assuming he will be going through the Vicroads registration process. He will need to get a roadworthy. A weigh bridge ticket is also needed.
These things weigh just shy of 4t. If you change the GVM, you will only be able to carry 500kg.

You mean "LEGALLY" carry 500kg Mick. Most of the time I won't be carrying much much at all, but on the odd occasion I will have a lot more than that on board. I am working on the principle that it is unlikely that the Transport Inspectors are going to pull over a vehicle that appears to be a current military vehicle. When I have the tarp on the back no one will be able to see what I am carrying!!!

Re the VIN problem Bob is having, there is a national VIN database and none of the army vehicles are listed on it. So what the local Transport office has to do is submit to have the VIN entered on the database and apparently that usually takes overnight or a day or so. It is not unusual to find 2 identical engine numbers but not in the same engine model.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Mick_Marsh on February 21, 2015, 10:10:47 AM
Good advice for Queensland. Bob is in Mildura. I'm assuming he will be going through the Vicroads registration process. He will need to get a roadworthy. A weigh bridge ticket is also needed.
These things weigh just shy of 4t. If you change the GVM, you will only be able to carry 500kg.

You mean "LEGALLY" carry 500kg Mick. Most of the time I won't be carrying much much at all, but on the odd occasion I will have a lot more than that on board. I am working on the principle that it is unlikely that the Transport Inspectors are going to pull over a vehicle that appears to be a current military vehicle. When I have the tarp on the back no one will be able to see what I am carrying!!!
It is obvious that is a risk you are prepared to take. Others may not be prepared to take that risk.

Re the VIN problem Bob is having, there is a national VIN database and none of the army vehicles are listed on it. So what the local Transport office has to do is submit to have the VIN entered on the database and apparently that usually takes overnight or a day or so. It is not unusual to find 2 identical engine numbers but not in the same engine model.
My VIN went in without a problem. Here in Victoria, Vicroads enter new VIN's on the spot.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: BEARMAN on February 21, 2015, 02:06:55 PM
That's strange, because Bob is having exactly that problem.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Mick_Marsh on February 21, 2015, 06:10:50 PM
That's strange, because Bob is having exactly that problem.
The problem Bob is having is Vicroads are entering the VIN as per normal Vicroads procedure but the VIN is not being accepted. I'd say it is a computer glitch.
Each state authority has different methods of registering a vehicle. Any advice based on my many Vicroads experiences I give to someone in any other state would be wrong. I was chatting to a fellow last weekend on the registration process in NSW. I found it quite confusing and completely different to the registration process here in Victoria.
Interestingly, the No5 trailers sold in Minto have a new VIN stamped into the drawbar. With the ones sold here in Victoria, you can use the original chassis number.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Robert 42 on February 22, 2015, 09:12:39 AM
Hi Mick, You could be right as the people that were trying to do it were, lets say MMM. But thats how it is. I didnt need a weight bridge ticket, but had one just in case... The 2 ladys were very trying , to get it through... And did spend quite some time on it...
Bob....
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Mick_Marsh on February 22, 2015, 09:23:49 AM
Hey, Bob, did you get it registered as a light truck (GVM 5.6t) or a motor vehicle (GVM not exceeding 4.5t)?
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Robert 42 on February 23, 2015, 04:07:45 PM
Light truck Mick, 5600 all up, but its still not reg. as off today, bloody slow if you ask me. Waiting on the vin number to be reg with the rego branch..
Bob...
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: smcg631 on February 23, 2015, 04:49:59 PM
Never say yep all done, Went in today and fronted up with all the T xed and the I dotted, right . Then the lady says is that a Jackaroo , I look funny and say no its a LandRover. Well the engine number is the same as a Jackaroo in QLD, carnt reg. it untill we sort that out. Big talks behind closed doors. All smiles we will put 4BDT on your number. OK Its a gower .15 min later, No! the  vin number wont go in, as much as they try nogo, So a few photos of the vin and a email to the vin.number dep. still negative out come.
After a hour of waiting , sorry we will ring you when its all done , make take a few days... The good bit I dont have to take her back to get the plates when they ring..
Just smile and say thats fine thank you. They did try... Bob...
Hopefuly Monday....

I had the same probs when entering the VIN with Vicroads. Make sure they enter the entire VIN as apparently the military ones are one digit longer or something like that. Some vicroads staff don't enter the first "S". If you can, ask to speak to someone from "special registrations." The military VIN's are all on the national database, you just need to get someone who knows where to look.

As for the engine number, I had the same problem as my engine number belonged to a Nissan Patrol in SA or something like that. As with you, they just added 4BD1 to the number.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Robert 42 on February 24, 2015, 08:38:14 AM
Thanks , Makes me feel a little normal as things always go rzup for me with gov.dep. Will try again today ...
 Bob...
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Robert 42 on February 24, 2015, 07:13:55 PM
Well it ......  didnt happen today ... 3 days and counting... starting to look like a joke... They were still nice about it.. saying we will ring you....
Bob..
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Robert 42 on February 25, 2015, 10:15:50 PM
The phone rang and it was them YES.! They did it , some how they entered the vin. Cost a little more when the lady saw  5600GVM... But other than that all good..
All you gota do is wait..
Works out at $420 a year .... you have to be happy with that.. Plus its 4 days longer till the next rego would have been... 
Bob...
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Mick_Marsh on February 25, 2015, 10:31:09 PM
The phone rang and it was them YES.! They did it , some how they entered the vin. Cost a little more when the lady saw  5600GVM... But other than that all good..
All you gota do is wait..
Works out at $420 a year .... you have to be happy with that.. Plus its 4 days longer till the next rego would have been... 
Bob...
Well done. Registration for vehicles over 4.5t GVM is set by a national body. Under 4.5t is set by the state government.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: P6X6 on April 29, 2015, 05:29:20 PM
Hello all,

Does anyone have a preferred licensee in Perth for a 4x4 RFSV ?? Thanks
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Paulak on May 01, 2015, 07:24:50 PM
Gday I used Host auto repairs in Northam.
Passed 1st time without a problem.
Where are you?
Paul.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: P6X6 on May 02, 2015, 08:21:56 AM
Gday I used Host auto repairs in Northam.
Passed 1st time without a problem.
Where are you?
Paul.

Morley Perth. I've taken my 6x6's to major motors And they were really good but they only do trucks.
It would take about an hour/hour and a half to get to Northam ?
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Paulak on May 07, 2015, 07:05:30 PM
Yeh about that. Depends on traffic from Morley to Midland.
Paul.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: wpalmo on July 21, 2015, 09:09:22 AM
I thought I would just post a short info message on how I registered ARN 51-745 in WA as it may be of help to fellow West Aussies.

I took my RFSV straight from Grays in Welshpool to a pace in Yanchep called 'The Flying Spanner'. They are a registered DoT inspection point and it seemed like the logical thing to do as I live in the local area. I ended up getting a bit of a list of things to rectify before it could be registered, some of which I thought was very trivial. The main issue was to remove the rear facing seat behind the cab, fit an approved immobiliser and get a weighbridge ticket for the aggregate weight of the vehicle. The trivial issues were some oil leaks that were seriously trivial. I also had to fix a couple of warning lights on the dash, high beam, and also make sure that the heater fan turned on.

I got to work on the main issues and sorted them out with some help from my friendly auto electrician who I can highly recommend. His name is Russell and he is mobile. I have been using him for years to sort out the dramas on my Series 111 Lucas electrics so he has quite a bit of experience with Land Rovers and he is fair with his rates. Advantec Auto Electrical - 0418 950 728.

My next task was to sort out the rear seat and the oil leaks. The seat was a bit of a mission but after some careful examination of the setup I worked it out with the help of a mate and a rattle gun it came out very easily. For the oil leaks I decided to try my luck and give the underside a blast of degreaser and a high pressure hose and then I drove the vehicle from the wash station in Wangarra to the weighbridge. The weighbridge I used was also located in Wangarra at a buisness called 'Tom's Towbars'. It cost $25 to measure the aggregate weight, which ended coming in at 2495 Kgs. I then took my Perentie to another registered inspection centre that was located around the corner from the wash station and weighbridge called Northside Transmission Centre & Just Mechanics.

They were great and within 20 minutes I was collecting the appropriate paper work to take to the Joondalup Licensing Centre. Make sure you take your proof of purchase documents that you get from Grays with you to the licensing centre as they need to sight these before the paper work can be completed. After paying around $1200 to the licensing centre for transfer and a year license I was on my way with the new plates in my hand.

Since then I have put about 3500kms on her including a 2500km trip through the Goldfeilds which I just got back from last Saturday. ARN 51-745 was faultless and I was impressed just how comfortable it was on the open road as well as the dirt.

I hope that helps others with registering their Pernetie's in WA. Image below from the Goldfeilds trip.

Regards Warrick.

 (https://farm1.staticflickr.com/326/19870054185_e29ae6fd80.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/wgRdR8)Goldfeilds June 2015 (https://flic.kr/p/wgRdR8) by warrick palmateer (https://www.flickr.com/photos/warrickpalmateer/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: THE BOOGER on July 21, 2015, 11:02:58 AM
Warrick did they tell you why the seat had to be removed? was it because it was over the 3 seat capacity or because of being rear facing?
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: wpalmo on July 21, 2015, 12:09:48 PM
Hi The Booger,

I was told at the time of the initial inspection at 'The Flying Spanner' that it was because it was rear facing. I was also told by the inspector that I could have had it passed with the rear facing seat but I would have needed an engineer to approve the setup. However, I have heard from other RFSV owners that the seat has to be removed because the vehicle only has a capacity for 2 occupants on the compliance plate. I guess an approved automotive engineer can override that issue. 

It suits me not to have the rear seat though as it compromised my storage and usability for the type of work I do with the vehicle. I have kept the seat though so I can put it back in if a time comes to sell the vehicle and the new owner wants it as on original RFSV. By the way the rear seat is one hell of a bit of kit as I am sure you know. I imagine that it would not be a cheap installation to build the mounting structure and purchase the seat with the 5 point harness built into it. I think in the event of an accident I would rather be strapped into the rear facing seat than the driver or passenger front seats!

Regards Warrick.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: juddy on July 21, 2015, 03:33:42 PM
Its a very thin section of steel that the seat is fixed to, and a lot of bolts too.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: wpalmo on July 21, 2015, 10:10:35 PM
Its a very thin section of steel that the seat is fixed to, and a lot of bolts too.

Hi Juddy,
Not sure what you mean by a very thin section of steel. After pulling out the rear seat from my RFSV I found that the two beams that the seat bolts into are not thin sections of steel. Both beams are around 4-5mm in thickness and are fully welded closed section beams. The seat bolts into each beam using 4 high tensile bolts with nuts. The brackets that the beams bolt too are welded into the tub. The seat itself is also a solid bit of kit with a complete perimeter frame and 5 point harness. Combine that with the ROPS above the seat and I think it would be a safer place in the event of an accident than the front 2 seats.
Just my opinion though and I am not an engineer!
Regards Warrick.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: chuckt on September 02, 2015, 08:32:08 PM
WA Registration Requirements for Land Rover Perentie

Ok so after a long talk with the transport department today i have been informed that they are now going about creating a set of black and white rules for licensing a Perentie in Western Australia. These will be available in due course in a form for download or print.

They are as follows in basic form

- Seat belt anchorage and Roll Hoops are to be inspected via the technical or VSS department on a individual basis (21 Murray Rd Sth Welshpool)
- Roll Hoop and Canopy Bars within 1200mm of driver and passengers headspace must be padded with 25mm polyurethane
- "Black Out Lighting" must be removed due to it not being suitable for on road use due to the fact that it turns off the brake lights under certain modes and they must operate at all times
- Tools and Brackets must NOT be secured to bonnet and jerry can racks must not interfere with lighting or drivers view
- Ignition and Immobiliser (if under 25 years of age) must be fitted
- Door locks must be fitted *soft tops can apply for a exemption*
- No passengers can be seated at any time in the rear cargo area seating provided or not
- Bull Bars / Bumpers must not have any protruding objects such as recovery hooks etc
- You will need a weigh bridge ticket on inspection to confirm tare weight.

This will be checked when inspection station is sending paperwork in for final approval from the transport department. Any "Perentie" model Land Rovers will be flagged and photos requested for further investigation by the technical department. If seat belt anchorage and roll hoops cannot be identified within the list approved the inspection will be failed and possible independent engineering certificate might be required.

I might add that the manager I spoke to was very helpful and insightful took all my questions and really knew his stuff. They are aware that the perentie's don't meet ADR or current VSS standards and are trying to create a happy compromise between safety and viability of keeping these cars or the road. He did mention that even tho some aspects don't comply they are now being exempted (such as non compliant front seats etc and roll hoops) in a attempt to make it a simple matter of doing these things on the list and then your 4x4 is set and ready to roll.  I would recommend contacting the technical department if you have a Perentie ready to be licensed BEFORE getting it inspected and sending them photos as they request so they can inform you if your roll bar needs any attention etc.

Here ya go folks straight from the horses mouth

Chuck
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: P6X6 on September 02, 2015, 08:56:04 PM
WA Registration Requirements for Land Rover Perentie

They are as follows in basic form

- "Black Out Lighting" must be removed
- Tools and Brackets must NOT be secured to bonnet and jerry can racks must not interfere with lighting or drivers view
- Door locks must be fitted *soft tops can apply for a exemption*
- Bull Bars / Bu
mpers must not have any protruding objects such as recovery hooks etc


Here ya go folks straight from the horses mouth

Chuck

These don't impress me much as all.
Especially if I have to cut up my standard bull bar !!
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Banjo57 on September 02, 2015, 09:05:25 PM
48-532 NT Registration.
Bought with no compliance plate - Fudged my way through Green slip.
MVR Inspector NOT happy!
Had to remove Blackout switch.
Had to remove all extraneous tool fittings on the bonnet.
Had to install a keyed ignition.
Had to remove rear seats and only registered as a a utility.
Complied to his requests? And got her past.
Went home and put it all back on!
No worries 👍
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: chuckt on September 02, 2015, 09:19:29 PM
In the conversation i did talk about replacing the bull bar with two simple square outriggers as a bumper and he said this would be satisfactory. So i suppose you could do that and then put your bull bar back on after rego. saying that i was warned that anyone caught out in a insurance claim could possibly not have coverage doing this

WA Registration Requirements for Land Rover Perentie

They are as follows in basic form

- "Black Out Lighting" must be removed
- Tools and Brackets must NOT be secured to bonnet and jerry can racks must not interfere with lighting or drivers view
- Door locks must be fitted *soft tops can apply for a exemption*
- Bull Bars / Bu
mpers must not have any protruding objects such as recovery hooks etc


Here ya go folks straight from the horses mouth

Chuck

These don't impress me much as all.
Especially if I have to cut up my standard bull bar !!
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: P6X6 on September 02, 2015, 09:27:11 PM
WA Registration Requirements for Land Rover Perentie

They are as follows in basic form

- "Black Out Lighting" must be removed
- Tools and Brackets must NOT be secured to bonnet and jerry can racks must not interfere with lighting or drivers view
- Door locks must be fitted *soft tops can apply for a exemption*
- Bull Bars / Bu
mpers must not have any protruding objects such as recovery hooks etc


Here ya go folks straight from the horses mouth

Chuck

These don't impress me much as all.
Especially if I have to cut up my standard bull bar !!

When they said the black out lights had to be removed, was it just the lighys on the front, or the switch and wiring because I'm pretty sure all the lights circuits pass threw the pineapple switch
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: chuckt on September 02, 2015, 09:30:36 PM
in the paperwork i have it states that the reason the blackout switch needs to be removed is because the brake lights must work at all times . to be honest nothing was said about my blackout system .. so far . i plan to wire the brake lights straight from the ignition addressing this issue. i might reword that bit about the black out lights
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: P6X6 on September 02, 2015, 09:52:02 PM
If that's all it is we should be able to move the wire locations on the pineapple switch so it does t isolate the brake circuit. I can have a look at the schematic tonight and get back to you. This would be VERY easy to do :) I've run a few wires for lights off that switch. It's easy to play with ...... As long as you don't short it out :) disconnect the batteries first:)
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: chuckt on September 02, 2015, 10:03:31 PM
that would be good if you could work that out! from my quick look at it i thought it would be easiest to just go from the ignition straight to the switch on the pedal which then goes to lights and then ground
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: P6X6 on September 03, 2015, 03:49:42 AM
Righto,
I believe (from sitting at a desk) the easiest way to bypas the black out switch is as follows
1. Isolate battery
2. Remove screws from black out switch plate
3. Pull out blackout switch (AKA pineapple switch) from the dash.
4. Remove 1 green purple wire from one side of the switch (pin 5 or 6)
5. Put the now free wire on other green and purple wire with the screw.
6. Tighten up both screws as you may want to put it back to original
7. Re-install pineapple switch and plate and connect batteries
8. Test brake lights in all 3 positions

This is effectively bypassing the blackout switch without running new wires, cutting original harness and very simple. Shouldn't take more than half an hour to do the hole job :) (says the fat man sitting behind a computer)
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Dervish on September 03, 2015, 07:27:59 AM
I imagine they'd also be upset about the switch disabling your headlights, so you'd have to attach the brown wires together as well as the green/purple trace.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Mick_Marsh on September 03, 2015, 09:36:44 AM
I imagine they'd also be upset about the switch disabling your headlights, so you'd have to attach the brown wires together as well as the green/purple trace.
There is a switch on the steering column that disables the headlights.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Dervish on September 03, 2015, 10:00:28 AM
There is a switch on the steering column that disables the headlights.

I was asking for that. Still, I think you may need to disable the blackout switch entirely to satisfy these people, which means GP to GP and N to N.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: chuckt on September 03, 2015, 10:30:53 AM
After speaking with them again this morning to get some confirmation on the blackout lights. You can have the switch to keep with the "theme" but it must not function. The wiring must be cut and joined in such a way that it can not be easily reconnected after inspection
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: aussiegregmac on September 03, 2015, 10:52:17 AM
Can't these people get a grip on themselves.
Officious little Bxxxxds flexing their muscles.
Can't they get around the fact there is thousands of Mil. vehicles
all over Aust. that have everything that still work.
How many Series 2 and Series 3s are there out there that still have working blackouts,
tools on the body and protusions elsewhere. 

What's the point of Preservation and Restoration if they keep changing
the rules.  Or making them up as they go along.
As B52 just said. He's had no problem.

Best bet,  do whatever you have to do but save what you take off.
Greg Mac.

Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: B 52 on September 03, 2015, 09:32:48 PM
On the compliance plate it states the vehicle complies with the ADR's in force when the vehicle was built. No further discussion should be necessary. As long as the vehicle is in a roadworthy condition it should pass. Some vehicle examiners seem to think that because it hasn't been licensed before it has to come up to the current ADR's. I bet the 1988 ADR doesn't mention blackout lighting. I had an examiner who thought I had to make it brand new when I did my FFR so I took it to someone else who told me that examiner was a dickhead. I agreed
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: chuckt on September 03, 2015, 10:32:46 PM
has nothing to do with ADR. Its complying with state regulations
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: THE BOOGER on September 03, 2015, 11:28:30 PM
Yes but do they even understand their own state regulations as pointed out the civilian Tanami defender has bonnet mounted tool holders are they now illegal as do series landrovers . Door locks ok they are some times enforced in other states but not uniformly My Isuzu truck and many others have recovery eye bolts on the front bull bar they also stop the bar from tilting with the cab they are fine. If they made statements like they don't meet ADR,s and the ADF has a blanket immunity it shows they don't know what the are talking about but they are the ones to make and enforce the rules :(
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Aussie Jeepster on September 05, 2015, 11:24:29 AM
I may have a solution to the "cut off your towing eyes" problem with the registration authorities.
This is just an idea, but who knows.
My other driver is a J##p Wrangler with a factory fitted front steel bar.
All Wranglers incorporate crush cans on the front bar, so Jeep have a plastic cover over the crush cans which is held on by 4 screws from the back of the bar.
Would it be worthwhile for someone to make up (removable) covers for the towing eyes???
I've attached some pics of the cans, covers and my Perentie and I think it would be fairly simple, but my skills in this area are zilch!! I'm happy to do the photos, but no good at the rest!!
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: P6X6 on September 05, 2015, 10:06:37 PM
That looks like an excellent idea !!!
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: chuckt on September 06, 2015, 02:44:05 PM
Thanks i have read of people using the bumpers similar to that but its no big deal for me to just cut em off and weld em back on in place of the tie down bracket

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Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: chuckt on September 07, 2015, 09:06:29 PM
Moved recovery point to a more suitable location for pits inspection. :)

(http://s30.postimg.org/6b0viehkx/newmounts.jpg)
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Young Eric on September 10, 2015, 01:01:50 PM
Just got a roadworthy certificate for my 6x6 Air Defence, only failed a globe in reversing light.
Just have to fill out the paperwork, and its going onto club rego.

Didn't say any thing about tool brackets on bonnet or tie down points on front of (early style) bulbar, or the keyless ignition.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Garry on September 15, 2015, 12:08:02 PM

Mike from All Class mobile safety certificates came down this morning and measured up and filled in all the paperwork required to register 202261 aka WEE110. PM me if you would like his number

So off to the roads department tomorrow to get it registered

G
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Garry on September 25, 2015, 07:27:13 PM

So,

I finally got all of the paperwork in and 202261 is now registered

The short story,

- Vehicle inspection completed
- Vehicle measured
- Vehicle weighed
- Insurance taken out
- CTP taken out
- Vehicle taken to department of transport to verify vin numbers with paperwork
- Department of transport contact vehicle identification unit to add vin number to data base
- 4 days later it had been added and registration of vehicle finalised

Very happy

Garry
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: chuckt on October 08, 2015, 11:53:01 PM
So Just to confirm what i needed to do to get mine registered in WA under the new state rules

- Seat belt anchorage and Roll Hoops are to be inspected via the technical or VSS department on a individual basis (21 Murray Rd Sth Welshpool)
- Roll Hoop and Canopy Bars within 1200mm of driver and passengers headspace must be padded with 25mm polyurethane
- "Black Out Lighting" switch must be removed due to it not being suitable for on road use due to the fact that it turns off the brake lights under certain modes and they must operate at all times.
 - Convoy lights must be removed
- Tools and brackets removed from bonnet
- Recovery point on bull bar removed so its not protruding
- Tie down point on rear bar removed so its flush with tail lights
- Jerry Can holders Removed
- Ignition and Immobiliser (if under 25 years of age) must be fitted
- Door locks must be fitted *soft tops can apply for a exemption*
- No passenger seats in cargo area.
- You will need a weigh bridge ticket on inspection to confirm tare weight.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: juddy on October 09, 2015, 09:04:29 AM
Jerry can holders removed?

Why? If you can fit a swing out spare wheel to a Toyota etc, then what is different?

Black out light removed? why, disconnected maybe but I can't see what removing them will achieve

BLACK OUT SWITCH REMOVE KNOB.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: aussiegregmac on October 09, 2015, 09:31:37 AM
Juddy, not worth any more oxygen.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Paulak on October 09, 2015, 09:48:36 AM
Gday
Lets hope no one gets a yellow sticker then.
Paul.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Gordie on October 09, 2015, 09:54:02 AM
I think this question needs to be put to such officious departments...."so you are officially stating that the ADF, ergo Aus Govt,  has been and still is using unroadworthy non-compliant vehicles on public roads to the tune of about 3000 units?"
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Hot Rover on October 09, 2015, 10:31:06 AM
Juddy, not worth any more oxygen.
I agree Greg. The forum is becoming bogged down in this crap there seems to be a doubling up of posts here. I am becoming bored with all of this an the whole PERENTIE thing. Where has all the older vehicle owners gone?? Enough ENOUGH I can't take any more Perentie Perentie Perentie. :-X :'( ::) :)
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Gordie on October 09, 2015, 10:42:12 AM
The bad news for you chaps, is that there are a lot more perenties to hit the streets yet!! So I dare say there will be plenty of perentie PERENTIE perentie conversation :-)

The good news for people who have just got, or contemplating getting a perentie PERENTIE perentie....is that threads like this are actually quite helpful in regard to what others have gone through re getting them registered, and what a potential purchaser may be facing....could be a clincher as to whether to actually purchase one or not.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: rovernut on October 09, 2015, 10:59:34 AM
Why? If you can fit a swing out spare wheel to a Toyota etc, then what is different?
Didn't the Discovery 1 & 2, as well as the Nissan Patrols, had to have extra lights fitted in the rear bumper because they had the spare wheel fitted to the rear door and blocked the tail lights at certain angles.
I fitted a spare wheel carrier many years ago and had to fit additional lights.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: THE BOOGER on October 09, 2015, 11:08:30 AM
Juddy, not worth any more oxygen.

I agree Greg. The forum is becoming bogged down in this crap there seems to be a doubling up of posts here. I am becoming bored with all of this an the whole PERENTIE thing. Where has all the older vehicle owners gone?? Enough ENOUGH I can't take any more Perentie Perentie Perentie. :-X :'( ::) :)

There is a thread on 2a problems at the moment not every thing is about them lizard cars
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: fc101 on October 09, 2015, 12:02:47 PM

Didn't the Discovery 1 & 2, as well as the Nissan Patrols, had to have extra lights fitted in the rear bumper because they had the spare wheel fitted to the rear door and blocked the tail lights at certain angles.
I fitted a spare wheel carrier many years ago and had to fit additional lights.

The ADRs changed late 93 early 94 that required tail lights to be visible at certain angles which meant that the D1 standard lights were illegal because of the spare wheel on the tailgate. So with the D1 updates tail lights and indicators were inserted into the rear bumper below the spare.  Side intrusion bars were also introduced with the same ADRS.

I doubt the rear jerry holders on the Perentie blocked the lights - more like power hungry paper pushers getting their rocks off.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: rovernut on October 09, 2015, 12:52:14 PM

Didn't the Discovery 1 & 2, as well as the Nissan Patrols, had to have extra lights fitted in the rear bumper because they had the spare wheel fitted to the rear door and blocked the tail lights at certain angles.
I fitted a spare wheel carrier many years ago and had to fit additional lights.

The ADRs changed late 93 early 94 that required tail lights to be visible at certain angles which meant that the D1 standard lights were illegal because of the spare wheel on the tailgate. So with the D1 updates tail lights and indicators were inserted into the rear bumper below the spare.  Side intrusion bars were also introduced with the same ADRS.

I doubt the rear jerry holders on the Perentie blocked the lights - more like power hungry paper pushers getting their rocks off.
Rules for vehicles are way too complicated. I challenge anyone to understand them.

To complicate things, Australia signed a 1958 agreement in the United Nations that set vehicle standards for the world. A lot of the more basic rules are covered in these UN regulations, rather than ADRs. Most of the 3rd Edition ADRs have the UNECE regulations attached at the bottom of them. So the visibility of tail lights are covered by international regulations and not ADRs. You can have a look at UN ECE regulation 7 if you want to know what they are. Good luck in understanding them.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Tommy on October 09, 2015, 01:02:56 PM
Juddy, not worth any more oxygen.
I agree Greg. The forum is becoming bogged down in this crap there seems to be a doubling up of posts here. I am becoming bored with all of this an the whole PERENTIE thing. Where has all the older vehicle owners gone?? Enough ENOUGH I can't take any more Perentie Perentie Perentie. :-X :'( ::) :)

I'm still here Rover ;). Plugging away with my collection of S2As.

Unfortunately, if one does not own or is planning to own a Perentie, most of the Perentie threads are of little interest. However, we cannot condemn those that do have them :)
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Hot Rover on October 09, 2015, 02:01:43 PM
Juddy, not worth any more oxygen.

I agree Greg. The forum is becoming bogged down in this crap there seems to be a doubling up of posts here. I am becoming bored with all of this an the whole PERENTIE thing. Where has all the older vehicle owners gone?? Enough ENOUGH I can't take any more Perentie Perentie Perentie. :-X :'( ::) :)

There is a thread on 2a problems at the moment not every thing is about them lizard cars

Thanks Booger I will endeavour to support it, with a little nurturing and fertiliser it may grow int something.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: juddy on October 09, 2015, 04:24:52 PM
Juddy, not worth any more oxygen.
I agree Greg. The forum is becoming bogged down in this crap there seems to be a doubling up of posts here. I am becoming bored with all of this an the whole PERENTIE thing. Where has all the older vehicle owners gone?? Enough ENOUGH I can't take any more Perentie Perentie Perentie. :-X :'( ::) :)

This Thread is called

Topic: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover  (Read 12847 times)

If you are bored with this all Perentie thing why are you reading this Thread? You cant throw your toys out of the pram when it clearly says Topic: Registering a 'Perentie' Land rover  (Read 12847 times).

You know full well we have other sections for Series Land Rovers, posting you are bored with Perenties in a Perentie thread is Trolling.

and what you think is crap, other's might not.

Where have all the older owners gone you ask, I would guess a lot don't  use the Internet, some don't like this forum or some of its members, or there dead.  Up until the sales started of the Perenties a select number of individuals ( that would fall into the over 50s group ) dominated what little was out there, originally on AULRO, then on the dedicated REMLR site.

Times have moved on and most people who buy a Perentie could not give a toss about a series land rover, and most of these new Perentie owners are younger than the series owners, and not all give a toss about the history of the Perentie or of Land Rover, they just want to ask what ever question they want to, without been told to, look it up, this regimental old school attitude to question/users is unacceptable.

And yes maybe another 2000 owners coming on here asking another million questions, you are really going to have to get used to it.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: aussiegregmac on October 09, 2015, 04:37:15 PM
Oh Noooooooooo  Sigh,  I guess I'm a Troll then.  WWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: THE BOOGER on October 09, 2015, 04:41:58 PM
Now now take it easy guys or I will take your toys and send you to your shed
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: juddy on October 09, 2015, 04:45:14 PM
Thats it then, Come the revolution the series Landy will live again.... ;D
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: aussiegregmac on October 09, 2015, 06:02:23 PM
But, but Booger.  I meant those comments in the nicest possible way.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Hot Rover on October 09, 2015, 08:19:42 PM
I will get you a higher soapbox Juddy ;)
I only read this for the entertainment. Sorry about the online breakdown it all got too much for me and I just lost it. I may have to contact Life Line for some help.
Cheers
Rod
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: juddy on October 09, 2015, 08:35:58 PM
Are you saying I am a Dwarf? ;D
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Gordie on October 09, 2015, 08:37:18 PM
I have a series, and want to add a perentie to the stable....oh wow...identity crisis...does that mean I am bi??? ;D :D :o
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: juddy on October 09, 2015, 08:44:43 PM
We are not gender specific, you can be a boy, a girl, or even a ladyboy...
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: FFRMAN on October 09, 2015, 09:04:16 PM
We are not gender specific, you can be a boy, a girl, or even a ladyboy...

I go both ways but lean towards series
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Hot Rover on October 09, 2015, 10:34:40 PM
Yeh I take it any way I can get it.
Cheers
Rod
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover in w.a.
Post by: tona on October 11, 2015, 10:27:01 PM
           when i had mine inspected by a authorised inspection depot i was knocked back on a slight leak on the left swivel hub, and a bloody p.t.o. uni joint which had side movement, what has this got to do with the vehicle safety? imobilsers are a must, make sure all your lights are working tyres are not badly cut,clean it out and generally make it decent, you should get through, black out lights did not have to be removed ,  all all the things on the bonnet stayed, i did however remove all the bins outside gerry can holders, the rear seat and all other stuff that i dont need thus removing some 200 k.gs  off thrr the tare weight , you will need a weighbridge ticket from the weigh bridge can get expensive as as you go along inspection fees x 2 140 odd bucks, weigh bridge ticket 25  bucks six months rego and stamp duty some 900 bucks as the vehilce wont be 25 till nov this year , it all adds up , mine owes me some 16, 500 bucks cosidering that i started out costing 11,909  bucks hope this helps someone TONA. :o
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: dugite on October 11, 2015, 11:00:58 PM
WA Legislation only requires immobilisers for vehicles under 25 years old. Would it have been easier to wait until the requirement expired ?
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: dugite on October 11, 2015, 11:15:07 PM
Here is the ref...   http://www.transport.wa.gov.au/licensing/immobilisers.asp

Most Perentie owners shouldn't be impacted ?

Thanks too for the info on cost blow out - the price of owning a superior ex-mil vehicle, eh? 😊
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: chuckt on October 12, 2015, 01:39:03 PM
I didn't have to fit one cause its 5/90 just over 25 years. But you do need to fit a keyed ignition.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Paulak on October 12, 2015, 09:09:06 PM
Gday,
I didn't fit a keyed ignition.
But i might soon.
Paul.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: chuckt on October 12, 2015, 11:44:28 PM
Head desk. I give up.. Mines rego'd now so meh.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: BadCo. on October 13, 2015, 12:16:59 PM
Head desk. I give up.. Mines rego'd now so meh.

Less, all the useful things!
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: tona on October 16, 2015, 06:50:05 PM
 ;D   yes dugite , it would of been better if i waited,but i wanted to iron out all the bugs in it  before going out in to the bush and breaking down , i think you do have to have a key ign lock mine has got one in   TONA.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: chuckt on October 27, 2015, 10:07:36 AM
Thanks for moving a thread I started to a section of the site I can't view. Good one :)
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: aussiegregmac on October 27, 2015, 10:52:20 AM
If you registered your vehicle and became "a Registrant" you'd be able to view all that info available to "Registrants" as well.
Could be a reason your thread was moved.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: P6X6 on October 27, 2015, 03:31:11 PM
Thanks for moving a thread I started to a section of the site I can't view. Good one :)

Hey chuck,
Just register your vehicle with remlr then you can get access :)
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: chuckt on October 28, 2015, 12:23:36 AM
ok ill have to work that out. ta
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: circlework on December 15, 2015, 10:04:24 AM
Hey guys and gals... Just received this, hot off the presses...
Want to register a Perentie in Tassie?   Here's the latest from the 'Vehicle Registration & Standards Team, Level 1/80 Elizabeth Street HOBART TAS 7001'.

Enjoy!    :(

Use the link in Booger's next post below ... My file didn't have the diagrams.   Thanks Geoff.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: THE BOOGER on December 15, 2015, 11:06:55 AM
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/coil-sprung-military-land-rovers/102768d1449486013-storm-clouds-brewing-ex-military-vehicles-landrover-110-variants-ais-alert-bulletin.pdf

try this link it has pics :D

I notice they are leaving most things up to inspection stations and they " may not meet ADR,s" the only real thing they talk about is blackout lights and keys which have been border line since the series 111. As for the bonnet mounted tool holders  don't know what the rule is in Tassie but in NSW fishing rod holders etc are illegal unless in use so use them ;)
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: boxy on December 24, 2015, 05:17:42 PM
Any chance we can get the link so we can all see it
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: dugite on December 24, 2015, 09:35:56 PM
Any chance we can get the link so we can all see it



...   the link re what is being discussed is that shown in post#177 above  ::)
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: boxy on December 24, 2015, 09:39:00 PM
Yes it does but I'm not a member of AULRO anymore so I can't see it
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Mick_Marsh on December 24, 2015, 11:01:40 PM
Yes it does but I'm not a member of AULRO anymore so I can't see it
PM me your email address.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: juddy on December 25, 2015, 01:02:53 AM
Not going to comment on the other BS, but the Pintle Hook is E11 Rated. that meets ADR .
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Dranoweb on February 17, 2016, 11:19:25 PM
Sorry to drag you all off topic here -
Something mentioned about 10 pages back - in regards to avoiding indigo lights on vehicles, reminded me of some research I did a litttlw while back.

Vicroads regulation specifically prohibits Indigo/purple/magenta lights on your vehicle.

A lesser known fact: - vicroads patrol vehicles use flashing indigo lights.

I have verified this in person on several occasions, as they tend to use them most commonly around weighbridges
Usually when forming highway checkpoints to perform spot check on trucks/trailers etc.
This was what caused me to follow up on the regulations.

It strangely was not something I could find written in my old L or P plate books, or on my driving test, but that was a few years ago.

It would also seem that the NSW RTA, and heavy vehicle escorts also use these colours too.

Here's a link for the curious:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_vehicle_lighting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_vehicle_lighting)
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: gooloo on June 21, 2016, 10:43:28 AM
got my 6x6 registered in QLD today....

Rang All Class (roadsafeqld) about 2pm in the afternoon and the bloke was at my house the next morning at 7am.

Did the mod plate to reduce gvm, and the roadworthy all in the same visit. too easy.

Went to Carseldine transport office and it all went straight through... small delay while they worked out what to register it as - I think they ended up calling it a Land Rover one ten (in words, not numbers for some reason). About 20 minutes and I walked out with the plates - they didn't even want to inspect the vehicle.

very happy.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: aussiegregmac on June 21, 2016, 01:25:27 PM
Congrats Gooloo, did you need to put it over a weighbridge at all.
I thought that was a requirement in Qld also.
If you send me the details in a PM of who you used I'd be grateful.
Making me get fired up about getting my 6x6 Inf. Carrier on the road.
Greg Mac.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Mick_Marsh on June 21, 2016, 04:23:10 PM
Congrats Gooloo, did you need to put it over a weighbridge at all.
I thought that was a requirement in Qld also.
If you send me the details in a PM of who you used I'd be grateful.
Making me get fired up about getting my 6x6 Inf. Carrier on the road.
Greg Mac.
He wouldn't need a weigh bridge ticket because he had the GVM engineered down.
Now it's not classified as a light truck.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: gooloo on June 22, 2016, 03:44:31 PM
Congrats Gooloo, did you need to put it over a weighbridge at all.
I thought that was a requirement in Qld also.
If you send me the details in a PM of who you used I'd be grateful.
Making me get fired up about getting my 6x6 Inf. Carrier on the road.
Greg Mac.
He wouldn't need a weigh bridge ticket because he had the GVM engineered down.
Now it's not classified as a light truck.

I do recall the weigh bridge cert was used for something.... I think it was required for the mod plate to reduce the gvm (I imagine they would want some proof that you're not reducing the gvm below the tare!). but it wasn't required for transport main roads. I was able to use the weigh bridge and brake test certs that came from grays (supplied with the blue slip).

interestingly enough my tare was only 3.19t... I was expecting heavier.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Mick_Marsh on June 22, 2016, 04:59:57 PM
Congrats Gooloo, did you need to put it over a weighbridge at all.
I thought that was a requirement in Qld also.
If you send me the details in a PM of who you used I'd be grateful.
Making me get fired up about getting my 6x6 Inf. Carrier on the road.
Greg Mac.
He wouldn't need a weigh bridge ticket because he had the GVM engineered down.
Now it's not classified as a light truck.

I do recall the weigh bridge cert was used for something.... I think it was required for the mod plate to reduce the gvm (I imagine they would want some proof that you're not reducing the gvm below the tare!). but it wasn't required for transport main roads. I was able to use the weigh bridge and brake test certs that came from grays (supplied with the blue slip).

interestingly enough my tare was only 3.19t... I was expecting heavier.
Mine is an "Air Defence" variant. The tare is just shy of 4t with full fuel tanks. It has a lot of racks and storage in the back. A GS would be considerably lighter. The ambulance is the heaviest I think.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Carzee on July 30, 2016, 09:23:30 PM
Rego renewal time again....

This is 4x4 not 6x6, private with no concession.

ACT, 12 mths, $1255.10 up from $1229.60 last year.
The government charges portion of that is $570. The other $685 is the Green Slip charge.  ???  :o
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: FFRMAN on July 30, 2016, 09:57:04 PM
Rego renewal time again....

This is 4x4 not 6x6, private with no concession.

ACT, 12 mths, $1255.10 up from $1229.60 last year.
The government charges portion of that is $570. The other $685 is the Green Slip charge.  ???  :o

Wow! That's expensive.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Dervish on July 31, 2016, 09:00:26 AM
My rego was about that in Sydney, now half that in QLD.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Mick_Marsh on July 31, 2016, 09:59:08 AM
Did they do any work for the green slip?
If yes, what did they do?
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Dervish on July 31, 2016, 10:06:55 AM
Did they do any work for the green slip?
If yes, what did they do?

Green slip is compulsory third party insurance.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: fc101 on July 31, 2016, 12:09:49 PM
The other $685 is the Green Slip charge.  ???  :o

Being pedantic - we dont have Green Slips in the ACT - the $685 is the 3rd Party Personal Insurance component of the overall registration fee.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: stephendavis on December 04, 2016, 06:54:22 PM
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/coil-sprung-military-land-rovers/102768d1449486013-storm-clouds-brewing-ex-military-vehicles-landrover-110-variants-ais-alert-bulletin.pdf

try this link it has pics :D

I notice they are leaving most things up to inspection stations and they " may not meet ADR,s" the only real thing they talk about is blackout lights and keys which have been border line since the series 111. As for the bonnet mounted tool holders  don't know what the rule is in Tassie but in NSW fishing rod holders etc are illegal unless in use so use them ;)
bonnet mounted tool holders would not be a problem as it is behind the bumper bar, as like fishing rod holders that people mount out the front of the bull bar. same with spot lights must not protrude forward of the bull bar

Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: David on December 04, 2016, 11:37:35 PM
The following information sheet is used by the VSS inspectors in WA, and as it is a NT document is likely to be used there also.
(http://C:\Users\stani\OneDrive\Documents\David\MVR Info Sheet 1.jpg)
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: David on December 04, 2016, 11:40:09 PM
The second page had all the phone numbers of VSS below but it was removed before I got hold of it.
(http://C:\Users\stani\OneDrive\Documents\David\MVR Info Sheet 2.jpg)
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: joluwarrior on December 05, 2016, 03:19:07 PM
Thanks folks for a great deal of information regarding registration of Perentie's.

Am in talks of buying an FFR from a private sale, that is rego-ed in NSW now, and so doing the homework on registration requirements in ACT. So this thread has been quite helpful.

From this link - https://www.accesscanberra.act.gov.au/app/answers/detail/a_id/83#!tabs-2 - I understand that a pre rego inspection could be done at any authorized station and need not be Dickson necessarily.
I called the Contact Centre and they pretty much repeated the same thing, that is mentioned in link above.

Can anyone who have had their Perentie rego-ed in Canberra confirm if inspection in Dickson is mandatory for this sort of a vehicle?

Thanks,
Abhi
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Carzee on December 05, 2016, 05:40:16 PM
I purchased a NSW registered Perentie FFR and then registered it in the ACT.
To do this I had to have a Blue Slip inspection at a Tyre Power place, any authorised inspection place can do it. Cost $64. The main part is the emergency brake tests. The trailer was the same. Since there are many ADF, Federal Police, Customs and Commonwealth Public Service Suits being posted into (and out of) Canberra, the Rego Transfer vehicle checks at authorised inspection stations is very common. You do not need a "Dickson Inspection" done by the labcoats as I term them to d a rego transfer. You do need the lab coats if doing an original registration.

Once you have the Blue Slip you have permission to pay high prices for number plates and sales tax to put it in your name. They check the market value to set the tax. I paid $650 for the plates, the tax, and three months rego.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: joluwarrior on December 06, 2016, 01:44:04 AM
I purchased a NSW registered Perentie FFR and then registered it in the ACT.
To do this I had to have a Blue Slip inspection at a Tyre Power place, any authorised inspection place can do it. Cost $64. The main part is the emergency brake tests. The trailer was the same. Since there are many ADF, Federal Police, Customs and Commonwealth Public Service Suits being posted into (and out of) Canberra, the Rego Transfer vehicle checks at authorised inspection stations is very common. You do not need a "Dickson Inspection" done by the labcoats as I term them to d a rego transfer. You do need the lab coats if doing an original registration.

Once you have the Blue Slip you have permission to pay high prices for number plates and sales tax to put it in your name. They check the market value to set the tax. I paid $650 for the plates, the tax, and three months rego.

Thanks for the info. Sounds good.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Mick on December 06, 2016, 06:19:25 AM
Hi Boys,

$650 for plates, tax, and 3months rego "sounds good" ?

Another rip off , I wish they'd help us save a dignity by putting a mask on and pointing a gun at us when they ask that sort of money.

Cheers 🍺

Mick
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: joluwarrior on December 06, 2016, 09:53:45 AM
Hi Boys,

$650 for plates, tax, and 3months rego "sounds good" ?

Another rip off , I wish they'd help us save a dignity by putting a mask on and pointing a gun at us when they ask that sort of money.

Cheers 🍺

Mick

"sounds good" was because the Dickson pits can be avoided :)
Undoubtedly, costs would be involved in owning a Perentie. Hence doing some homework here to know costs + regulations involved from members' experiences across all states.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: AGAS 5 on December 06, 2016, 10:54:02 AM
Buy an '87 model .... under a year until club rego :)

Pete
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Darwin Mike on February 22, 2017, 06:26:08 PM
Got my 4 x 4 Perentie registered in Darwin today. No need for door locks, ignition key, bonnet tools ok. I threw an isolator with a lock on it so I can slow a thief down a bit until I get a ignition key/barrel. They just checked to see the lights/brakes all worked and it didn't leak.

I'm a bit sick about the rego cost though. Stamp Duty and Rego for a year was $1,100!
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: stephendavis on February 22, 2017, 07:45:44 PM
Hi Boys,

$650 for plates, tax, and 3months rego "sounds good" ?

Another rip off , I wish they'd help us save a dignity by putting a mask on and pointing a gun at us when they ask that sort of money.

Cheers 🍺

Mick



You have to love Canberra. my car is rego in vic total cost 527
I was reading about bushrangers today, and they talked about highway robbery, now they have cops that do that job

"sounds good" was because the Dickson pits can be avoided :)
Undoubtedly, costs would be involved in owning a Perentie. Hence doing some homework here to know costs + regulations involved from members' experiences across all states.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: AGAS 5 on August 02, 2017, 02:46:43 PM
Just to dispel some myths about Perentie rego in Canberra...

If buying from the auction, all you need is:

Your Grays invoice showing the dealership number at the bottom

A unreg veh permit to drive to your roadworthy

A roadworthy from any service station/mechanic that does them

A stat dec from you saying the vehicle was sold without rego plates (you can prob do this at the ACT Shop Front)

Pay your rego at an ACT shop front.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: David on August 04, 2017, 11:53:37 PM
I heard a couple of RFSV's in WA recently got registered with the rear seat fitted.  I would recommend anyone in WA take it in to Welshpool for the first test with the seat still fitted and try their luck, perhaps there is a perentie supporting inspector among the mix.  I didn't have that luck though.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: David on August 05, 2017, 10:54:58 AM
Mike
That may well be the reason some got registered.  I am not sure but can possibly find out.  What is the difference between the 3,200kg and 3,600kg, I thought they only came in mk1 and mk2.  I thought the weight on my rego papers comes off the weighbridge ticket I got before rego,
cheers David
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: tona on August 05, 2017, 11:11:09 AM
 ;)   G/AY   dopey 51 590 saying hello to 51 589, hope you are enjoying the rfsv like i am , bought mine in welsh pool as well ,  how long have you had yours?, they may have been stable mates in the pilbara reg some years ago CHEERS TONA.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: tona on August 05, 2017, 11:14:57 AM
 :o   DOPEY ,forgot to mention that 51 590  has  3600 on the plate as well as seating for three, TONA,.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: STDDIVER on August 05, 2017, 12:30:29 PM
G'day Dopey, Tona -  Congratulations on your RFSV vehicles - you have a relative in the eastern states!  I've got 51-594 also from the Pilbara.  No worries with 3 seat registration in Victoria -  Mine is the 3600 kg version but the "Seats 3" on the compliance plate was a foregone conclusion when getting registered for "3" and why I spent a lot of time vetting the RFSV vehicles offered for sale before bidding.  The question is - predominantly what real differences are there between the 3200 Kg and 3600 Kg versions?  I have compared mine with others and can see no negligible differences other than the ID plate.     ???

STDDIVER
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Dervish on August 05, 2017, 04:18:26 PM
My other RFSV, 48003, is a 3200kg version, and I have been told unless I get a mod plate for the 3rd seat, I can only register it as a 2 seater.

I would guess that is because 48-003 wasn't an RFSV to begin with, it was an FFR W/W. As such it would have the compliance plate to match that variant.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: tona on August 08, 2017, 10:18:50 AM
 ;D G/AY STDDIVER, GOOD TO HEAR OF ANOTHER RFSV on the go ,how much trouble are you having with the electrics on yours, mines been giving me s,,,,think its because they used to run them in salt water a lot of the time  ;D,i have a photo of when they were in service taken on the beach , but don't know how to put it up , enjoy ,mines going on a two week jaunt out in our midwest  with a fair amount of 4wding so i will enjoy , they are good off road, better than on road with those hi milers, cheers TONA,.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: STDDIVER on August 08, 2017, 03:08:09 PM
G'day Tona and Mike - Thanks heaps for a most interesting thread and information on your vehicles.  51-594  AKA  'Alcimedes' was purchased in WA at Welshpool auctions on the 17th of August last year.  Could not get a copy of the log book - no matter what.  The speedo had 49 km on it -wondered why?  It can't be right! :-\

This must mean something has been done to the vehicle, but what? - engine replacement or busted speedo or other problem?   I rang up Grays and they were as helpful as they could be but could not commit to being specific - as you would expect, they are an auction house and not mechanics.  Willing to help though and went out of their way to be helpful.  What you don't see in the information advertised and is evident only when you get the vehicle home, is the tools in the rear compartments, the jack, the cloth covers on the sun visors, the clean condition of the rear step and inside the rear boxes which were in exceptional condition and looked like it was treated by someone who really cared for the vehicle like they owned it. There was dust and there were expended casings in the hard to get places but this added to the history and why I will keep the vehicle intact.

So not knowing any of this, - leap of faith - bought 51-594 for better or worse, richer or poorer etc.  Got her home through the car transporters and picked her up in Melbourne at the transport depot.  Running when handed over to me and left running, drives noisy, steering crap, and lots of little things to do.  Driving home I found the ignition switch was faulty and when I turned the engine off, the vehicle would not start using the key.  So the usual jump start worked and the batteries were okay after a hour and a half run.  Stopped for a toilet break, yes - I realised I have to jump the starter motor, but when I tried the ignition key, she never faulted again!  Can't explain why!

Roadworthy - next chapter.  Indicator controls were a bit loose and sloppy - so new assembly fitted as I always have these spare.  I had learned this lesson with 230-051 and 48-796 and these simple component swap outs are easy to do and fix a lot of intermittent problems. Took her into to Peter "They never get through on the first attempt" Roadworthy tester and Peter did his worse/best.  I like the fact that he is very thorough and when he passes something or fails it there is good reason for it.  51-594 in spite of Peter's best efforts got through first time with the comment "Some one has spent a lot of time and money on this vehicle, universals are new, brakes, diffs, transfer case and under body is immaculate,  can't even find the usual land rover anti corrosion automatic oil leaks operating"  Bugger - I'll have to pass it!!!!!!! 

Then to VicRoads - I think that when a vehicle is washed, cleaned and well presented it shows.  There was the comment - "That seat in the back will have to go" but with a knowing smile and the obligatory inspection of the compliance plate - "well I have never seen that before" and 51-594 was registered with 3 seats.  Professional, courteous and efficient. 

The RFSV gear ratios, tyres and centre of gravity are very well balanced.  We have done a few Grampians treks and 51-594 is also exceptional in the sand hills near where I live.  Stock standard from the Army, with highway pressures, engaged the central diff  and climbed every sand hill, flying past the rice burners and bleeps like nothing before.  The vehicles have a capability that is exceptional.  Slower on the road, smarter in the bush where it counts. 

Thanks again for the information - I find this conversation very interesting,    Frank    ;)

Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: dugite on August 08, 2017, 07:40:33 PM
.....

  So the usual jump start worked and the batteries were okay after a hour and a half run.  Stopped for a toilet break, yes - I realised I have to jump the starter motor, but when I tried the ignition key, she never faulted again!  Can't explain why!
...
    Frank    ;)

OK Frank - it could be this (fingers crossed :) )

if you have the raised fuse box take the cover off and take the centre relay out (the third relay counting from the left) and clean the contacts... this will probably work

the relays are removed with the same orange plastic grasping tool as is used for the fuse replacement (there should be one of these tiny plastic tools attached to some of the wiring when your remove the fuse box cover)

I think that some of these vehicles were used so rarely that corrosion set in on some of the electrical contacts.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: STDDIVER on August 08, 2017, 08:26:10 PM

Thanks Dugite - I went out to the workshop, pulled the relay out and "as expected" there's a bit of residue on all the terminals.  Gentle steel wool, back in and off we go.  Did the lot whilst I was there.  CO contact cleaner as well.  The switch still functions flawlessly but this is a good learning none the less!

Thanks for the effort and care    ;)

Frank 
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: tona on August 17, 2017, 11:21:12 AM
 ;)HI DUGITE ,do you happen to know where the earths are for the relays behind the dash, i am having trouble with my starter relay ,i am  getting voltage drop to the contactor on the starter people are telling me to check the earth at the back of the dash panel some where to check the earths , i am currently have it hot wired but don't want to keep it this way ,thanks for any you may gave me ,TONA.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Dozer on August 17, 2017, 12:01:08 PM
Every time I see things written about the IPVs and especially 48003 I feel pretty happy I got 48002, although I feel guilty going off road and feel the need to ensure I wash and scrub her down after every beach or bush trip.  My place isn't a museum but I do try and take good care of the vehicle and the family and friends absolutely love it!  Thankfully I am in NSW and the registration process was a breeze (with no mods required to blackouts or bonnet ornaments) and the condition I received 48002 in was of a high standard.

Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: STDDIVER on August 29, 2017, 08:47:28 AM

Good one Dopey - Its great to be able to just drive the vehicle when you want!  Look forwards to following your exploits!    :)

STDDIVER 
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Barefoot dave on August 29, 2017, 09:16:50 PM
G'day Mike.  Great to see you have a result for the epic process you have been through. 
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Dozer on August 30, 2017, 05:33:40 AM
Congrats Mike!!! :D
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: tona on October 14, 2017, 01:19:13 PM
 ;D   CONGRATS MIKE,YEP THEY ARE BETTER OFF ROAD THAN ON ,51590 SAYS WELCOME TO HIS EX PILBARA MATE,TONA.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: PeteFox on May 18, 2018, 08:04:47 PM
A heads up.

I don’t know if this has been posted before,  but today I found out that the rules have changed.

 I first registered my 6x6 in 2014 in NSW. It was registered in the condition it was purchased, i.e. complete with bonnet tools and blackout lights etc.
I moved to Tasmania and had the rego check done today. Two days ago I was told that there has been a change in the rules via a memorandum (federal I think) that all the bonnet attachments, including spare wheel mounts, all blackout lights and  the pintle hook have to be removed permanently.
The bonnet stuff for pedestrian safety, the blackout lights because some geniuses have been driving down the highway blacked out and the pintle hook because it doesn’t conform to Aust standards.
Pete
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: ECN405 on May 18, 2018, 09:54:08 PM
wow, the fun busters are out
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: THE BOOGER on May 18, 2018, 11:16:07 PM
Just tassy and may be WA, NSW still passing with bonnet holders asfaik the pintle does meet adr but different places read the same thing to mean differently

Blackout lights have always been a potenial problem but generally overlooked the pintle may not be marked but is rated at 5 tonne?never heard of the pintle being having to be removed before.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: fc101 on May 19, 2018, 09:23:17 AM
Re the tool holders - I am sure these rules are not retrospective.  If they were the Landrover Defender Tanami (a standard civilian Defender model) which had tools on the bonnet as standard and met the ADRs of the early/mid 90s would also have them removed and ADRs roadworthy requirements are not retrospective.

The only fitment that I am aware that are retrospective for any vehicle is the fitment of seatbelts for children.

Basically is tools and holders are approved for the Tanami which they are they are legal for the Perentie.

Sounds like incorrect interpretation of the rules.

Garry
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Mick_Marsh on May 19, 2018, 10:38:44 AM
An extract  from the current ADRs applicable to motor vehicles manufactured today
Quote
5.3.6.                              Hook ‘Couplings’

5.3.6.1.                        Hook ‘Couplings’ suitable for use with a 76.2 mm internal diameter ´ 41.27mm stock towing eye must comply with the dimensions shown in Figure 1.

5.3.6.2.                        Hook ‘Couplings’ must when installed in the design configuration withstand the following forces without incurring loss of attachment, distortion or failure which would affect the safe towing of a trailer:

5.3.6.2.1.                  longitudinal tension and compression 1.6 ‘D-value’; or

5.3.6.2.2.                  a dynamic oscillating force of ± 0.6 ´ ‘D-value’ for 2 million cycles. The frequency during testing not to exceed 10 Hz, but must be chosen not to coincide with the natural frequency of the system.

5.3.6.3.                        Hook ‘Couplings’ and towing eyes must be marked with the manufacturer’s name or trademark and the rated ‘D-value’

These couplings were made before the ADR requirement but may have the required markings on them.
Looking at mine, it does have the manufacturers mark on it (Dixon Bate) and a D value (a bit hard to work out under the flaking paint).

I'd argue the point. Nicely, though.

I argued the point whet the Vicroads inspector jacked up over the stuffed bonnet struts on the Toyota (I had it propped open with a wooden garden stake). "Is it a roadworthy issue?"I asked. "Can you show me the relevent section in the documentation?"
After consulting with her boss, she informed me "We'll pass it this time." She saved face after finding out she was in error and my Camry was registered. All happy.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: PeteFox on May 19, 2018, 11:14:26 AM
I don’t think they are saying that the pintle hook doesn’t pass the regs/standards, what they are saying is that it hasn’t been tested. They said it had passed a European (NATO?) standard but that that standard isn’t recognised here for civvy use.

No the changes aren’t retrospective if you stay in rego, but don’t let your rego run out or move interstate. The argument would run something like " a civilian isn’t entitled to take advantage of exemptions granted to the military even if the vehicle is ex-military".

IMO it just wasn’t worth the argument, I wasn’t at the Transport Dept with some guy winging it, just an inspection station. I had a guy just doing his job, following the rules sent to him by others and I didn’t want to piss him off.
Pete
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Mick_Marsh on May 19, 2018, 12:46:58 PM
I don’t think they are saying that the pintle hook doesn’t pass the regs/standards, what they are saying is that it hasn’t been tested. They said it had passed a European (NATO?) standard but that that standard isn’t recognised here for civvy use.

No the changes aren’t retrospective if you stay in rego, but don’t let your rego run out or move interstate. The argument would run something like " a civilian isn’t entitled to take advantage of exemptions granted to the military even if the vehicle is ex-military".

IMO it just wasn’t worth the argument, I wasn’t at the Transport Dept with some guy winging it, just an inspection station. I had a guy just doing his job, following the rules sent to him by others and I didn’t want to piss him off.
Pete
Did he give you the standard it conformed to?
Did he give you the standard it didn't conform to?

In the ADR it mentions standards other couplings had to conform to (AS/NZS) but didn't give a standard the pintle had to conform to. It does give specifications the pintle has to conform to, which the Dixon Bate pintle does.
Of note, a lot of the Australian Standards (AS) have been superseded by AS/NZS standards which have been superseded by ISO (NATO?) standards.
If I had a standard number pintles are supposed to conform to, I can obtain the standard.

If the authority rejects something because "It doesn't conform to standards", they must be able to direct you to that standard. The fact they obviously do not know that standard (because they didn't inform you which standard it was), suggests to me they are baffling you with bull****.

Are you happy nit to have a pintle, that's fine. Me, I need one to tow my trailers.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: AGAS 5 on May 19, 2018, 08:18:52 PM
Hi Pete,

I'd call their bluff on the so called exemption granted to the military... which exemption? Where is that documented, or at least a reference that you could request the documents from Defence under FOI ?

Most vehicles delivered under Project Perentie and Bushranger met the ADRs of the time. The only exceptions to that might be specialist vehicles such as the LRPV... but I haven't seen a compliance plate for one of those, so who knows....

Cheers.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: PeteFox on June 15, 2018, 01:50:55 PM
Just to follow up on my post here re: bonnet tools and pintle hitch. The latest Grays auction has 18 Land Rovers, all the vehicles have had their bonnet tools removed and all the 4x4s are missing their pintle hooks, but the 6x6s have theirs.
I think this is more than coincidence, and likely would have been done so that a Blue Slip could be issued at least two as far as the bonnet tools go.
The 4x4s are also missing the large front blackout lights
Pete
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Mick_Marsh on June 15, 2018, 02:59:20 PM
Just to follow up on my post here re: bonnet tools and pintle hitch. The latest Grays auction has 18 Land Rovers, all the vehicles have had their bonnet tools removed and all the 4x4s are missing their pintle hooks, but the 6x6s have theirs.
I think this is more than coincidence, and likely would have been done so that a Blue Slip could be issued at least two as far as the bonnet tools go.
The 4x4s are also missing the large front blackout lights
Pete
And all have been freshly painted.
Oh, the bonnet fittings and pintle are in a box in the back.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: ECN405 on November 10, 2018, 06:44:46 PM
http://remlr.com/forum/index.php?topic=817.msg57240#msg57240

Bit of a discussion elsewhere on this too
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Woodie on January 13, 2019, 04:11:54 AM
Hi guys, I recently registered mine (6x6) in Tassie.

I used Fogarty Automotive in North Hobart 0362348868. Steve is great to deal with and very accommodating.

Additionally I have de-rated the GVM to 4.5 tonnes. This was done at Webster Trucks in Derwent Park to save a considerable amount on rego. This is as a result to recent legislative changes here in Tasmania. No physical changes were made to the vehicle other than to have a compliance place affixed.

Of note tow hooks and all tools were allowed to remain.
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: 303Gunner on January 13, 2019, 08:05:23 AM


Additionally I have de-rated the GVM to 4.5 tonnes. ..... This is as a result to recent legislative changes here in Tasmania.
What were the changes that prompted this?
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: jsm on April 16, 2019, 10:02:45 AM
Hi REMLR

I bought a 110 Perentie 8/1988 ARN 48613 (FFR with PTO winch).  Log book shows most time after 2007 in Far North Queensland, I think Mt Isa mainly. Has done very few kms since 2007 (only 19,067 between 2007 and April 2018). Would be interested in any service it has done.  The service manual has the following codes which I cannot work out: SCIC, XX/x/6/7.25/-; XX/z/4.75/3; XX/Z/55.5/23.0/-; XX/Z/29.0/2015/-.  Also wondering whether worthwhile to change suspension.  I have put power steering and turbo on with KLR as well as new axles and wolf wheels and new clutch.  Otherwise as is and drives like a dream.

Thanks in advance for any assistance from anyone who knows more about the vehicle.
Cheers
James 
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: DennisM on April 16, 2019, 07:00:57 PM
My 48-803 FFR with winch also spent time in FNQ & Mt Isa cheers dennis
Title: Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
Post by: Mick_Marsh on April 18, 2019, 01:17:44 PM


Additionally I have de-rated the GVM to 4.5 tonnes. ..... This is as a result to recent legislative changes here in Tasmania.
What were the changes that prompted this?
I'm tipping there were none. There seem to be a number of people who want to drive a light truck on a car licence.