Registry of Ex Military Land Rovers
REMLR General => REMLR - General Chatter => Topic started by: juddy on August 13, 2012, 02:37:51 PM
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Whats a fair price for one of these???????
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If you are chasing one for your late workshop remember they are different than a normal 2a.
Peter
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No I have a spare I dont need.... just wondered if I do sell it what its worth....
Or a keep it for a rainy day...
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The forum really isn't a place for finding out what you have is worth.
Conversely I've seen them go for hundereds, or a 6 pack of beer.
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The forum really isn't a place for finding out what you have is worth.
Conversely I've seen them go for hundereds, or a 6 pack of beer.
Really, you are kidding me. Is it wrong to wonder what something maybe worth? As for giving it away for a six pack, don't think so, would rather give it away for free.
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I recently paid $50.00 for a very straight S2A brush bar :)
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I recently paid $50.00 for a very straight S2A brush bar :)
That's a good price. Well done.
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The forum really isn't a place for finding out what you have is worth.
Conversely I've seen them go for hundereds, or a 6 pack of beer.
Really, you are kidding me. Is it wrong to wonder what something maybe worth? As for giving it away for a six pack, don't think so, would rather give it away for free.
I'm not kidding, and for a few reasons. One, this is a source of information for those interested, not an avenue to make proffit. I'm honestly not picking on you here, it's just that the "what's it worth" posts have never been welcome on here or on AULRO in the past, and before you get defensive, let me explain.
This forum, as with the old one, is open for anybody to view, and reaily able to be found by google searches. We have discovered, and been informed, on many occasions that vendors in other places such as auction houses, ebay etc have not only watched what things are worth, but attemted to artificially inflate thos figures to their own personal, or company, gain. We are after all all about disceminating information, and helping those interested in these vehicles, or restoring them, not about lining others pockets. I hope this explains why we are somewhat cautious about the what's it worth threads both now and in the past.
Happy to discuss further if you like specifically and generaly, or with anybody for that matter. If you think this is the wrong tact, feel free to debate (healthy debate is always encouraged) or raise with the committee as it isn't just me that directs things for the last few years for that matter.
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Thank you for explaining all that..
(We are after all all about disceminating information, and helping those interested in these vehicles, or restoring then). Some people are but theres others who really only care about themselves...
Do I think its wrong that, I cant seek advice from the forum I belong to as to the value of something, be that because I want to sell it ( and dont want to get ripped off selling it If I had no idea of its Market value ), or because I may need to Insure it, or just out of Interest, Yes I do think thats wrong, we make comments on the sale price's of vehicle's theres little difference there.
But at the end of the day, I have to follow your guidelines and therefore I agree to disagree.
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May be a good reason for a members forum only
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I will back up 'Muddy" here, there are people both private traders and company traders that watch these types of forums and then price their vehicles and parts to suit, same as we watch and purchase from UK if the parts are substantually cheaper,I will explain next time we meet ;)
I know of some military landrovers that went through auction a couple of years ago, to a dealer auction price +10,000 :o
cheers
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I think this as been taken way out of context here.
As for over over priced Land Rovers just look at the prices of those ex army TD5 Station wagons recently. Yet even I still get people ( mostly Land Rover Owners ) who winge at a ex UK land rover for half the price.
As for buying goods from the UK, because they are cheaper than the Oz, thats becoming a issue even for me now, I myself have purchased many different items from the UK and other countries far cheaper than I could buy here, you try running a business and sourcing your products from the Uk to sell here, you will have a uphill battle.
Having sole distribution rights is the only way round this.
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I'm not kidding, and for a few reasons. One, this is a source of information for those interested, not an avenue to make proffit. I'm honestly not picking on you here, it's just that the "what's it worth" posts have never been welcome on here or on AULRO in the past, and before you get defensive, let me explain.
This forum, as with the old one, is open for anybody to view, and reaily able to be found by google searches. We have discovered, and been informed, on many occasions that vendors in other places such as auction houses, ebay etc have not only watched what things are worth, but attemted to artificially inflate thos figures to their own personal, or company, gain. We are after all all about disceminating information, and helping those interested in these vehicles, or restoring them, not about lining others pockets. I hope this explains why we are somewhat cautious about the what's it worth threads both now and in the past.
Happy to discuss further if you like specifically and generaly, or with anybody for that matter. If you think this is the wrong tact, feel free to debate (healthy debate is always encouraged) or raise with the committee as it isn't just me that directs things for the last few years for that matter.
Richard
Not sure if I agree with your statement. I don't see the problem with asking a simple question about what something is worth. I would have thought that the interests of REMLR members far outweigh any 'outsiders' spying on us. Ex army Land Rovers and spare parts posted on ebay and the like will sell for what someone is prepared to pay for them regardless of what info is posted on this forum.
"it's just that the "what's it worth" posts have never been welcome on here or on AULRO in the past". I've been on this forum for 6 years now and have never seen any reference to this statement. Maybe I missed something.
Extracted from the REMLR - Statement of the Association Objectives....
Vision
REMLR - Registry of Ex Military Land Rovers will continue to work to collect and preserve information, offer advice and provide historical, technical and general information to enthusiasts, preservers and collectors of ex Australian military Land Rovers.
I would hate to see this vision corrupted by a few unscrupulous 'outsiders'.
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G'day Juddy :)
Aah! the TD5 8 seaters, I was at that Brisbane auction of the 2004 models(aircon),and still have the cattledog,and what they went for and what they were on the market for was very different,their milage varied from 29,160klm to 37,693klm,one luckyS.E.Qld military owner got the 29K one, and a No 5 to go with it ;D
Auctioned Wednesday,regoed Thursday ;)
cheers
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I know I am new around here but I think censoring the discussion of values of items/vehicles for the reasons you have mentioned is a bit on the paranoid side!
We all benefit from having a sense of fair market value on items and this is certainly the ethos on several other car related forums of which I am a member. As a result of 'what is it worth' and 'what did you pay' type discussions it is far less likely that someone will be taken advantage of by profiteering vendors.
I take on board your point Phoenix but I believe the good far outweighs the bad.
And as for selling my own spare S3 bush bar, I am currently no closer to knowing its fair market value :-\
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I don't think Phoenix is saying- DON'T
He's saying DO, but do it privately.
We have the ability to send private messages to each other. That's a good use for the forum- sharing and disseminating information. It just doesn't have to shouted from the rooftops, as it were.
That's how I understand it,anyway.
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Well at least I am not alone in the Mine Field on this one....
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I don't think Phoenix is saying- DON'T
I think that is exactly what he is saying.... "the "what's it worth" posts have never been welcome on here"
I think the committee need to sort this nonsense out quick smart.
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I don't think Phoenix is saying- DON'T
I think that is exactly what he is saying.... "the "what's it worth" posts have never been welcome on here"
I think the committee need to sort this nonsense out quick smart.
Your quote of what phoenix wrote was that "what its worth POSTS have never been welcome..."
He wasn't saying don't ask fellow members privately.
But, I'm not taking sides or anything. Just trying to head off why I took to be a misinterpretation of his post.
I've asked those questions when we were over on AULRO. A moderator told me not to. I then asked that moderator the same question by PM and I got very helpful answer.
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Your quote of what phoenix wrote was that "what its worth POSTS have never been welcome..."
He wasn't saying don't ask fellow members privately.
Juddy asked a simple question about a simple Land Rover item. Who has the right to reprimand him for posting that question.
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Here's a clue Juddy....what would YOU pay for one? That will give you an idea as to what to expect others might be willing to pay ;D
As for "what is it worth" questions....Phoenix is entirely right in saying they were never welcome on the old REMLR forum nor the AULRO forum. On AULRO any such questions were very quickly removed by moderators for the reasons Phoenix stated, and also because by posting such questions a flurry of "sell it to me" replies followed. There is a markets section to be used for selling, it's not too much to ask that selling be done properly and in the proper places ;)
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Juddy asked a simple question about a simple Land Rover item. Who has the right to reprimand him for posting that question.
Who? I don't know. And the question didn't bother me at all. But I hadn't considered all the factors against that have been raised.
Also, I didn't read it as a reprimand but a clarification of the issue.
Can we err on the side of graciousness and realise that written forums aren't places of perfect communication?
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Here's a clue Juddy....what would YOU pay for one? That will give you an idea as to what to expect others might be willing to pay ;D
As for "what is it worth" questions....Phoenix is entirely right in saying they were never welcome on the old REMLR forum nor the AULRO forum. On AULRO any such questions were very quickly removed by moderators for the reasons Phoenix stated, and also because by posting such questions a flurry of "sell it to me" replies followed. There is a markets section to be used for selling, it's not too much to ask that selling be done properly and in the proper places ;)
Hello Pat
If these 'Whats it worth' threads are to be discouraged then Richard should post up a new thread stating exactly that. What disappoints me is that a person in a position of authority has made a decision without consultation with members. I certainly hope that the REMLR Inc committee would formally sanction any decision before members are reprimanded.
Has the committee discussed this issue? Have they ratified any policy on this matter? It may all seem 'over the top' to members but we now live in an 'Incorporated' environment where decisions and punishment cannot be dealt out by one Committee member alone. It is now a co-operative effort by the Committee to formalise rules and publish them on the forum. Once published, members will have rules to guide them.
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Juddy asked a simple question about a simple Land Rover item. Who has the right to reprimand him for posting that question.
Who? I don't know. And the question didn't bother me at all. But I hadn't considered all the factors against that have been raised.
Also, I didn't read it as a reprimand but a clarification of the issue.
Can we err on the side of graciousness and realise that written forums aren't places of perfect communication?
Korg
Read Richards first reply (post #3). He says - The forum really isn't a place for finding out what you have is worth.
Thats not clarification of the issue. As I say in my previous post, who gave Richard the power to make such a statement?
I'm not trying to 'stir the pot' but simply to get some answers. It worries me when statements like these are made without authorization.
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Korg
Read Richards first reply (post #3). He says - The forum really isn't a place for finding out what you have is worth.
Thats not clarification of the issue. As I say in my previous post, who gave Richard the power to make such a statement?
I'm not trying to 'stir the pot' but simply to get some answers. It worries me when statements like these are made without authorization.
Sure, post #3 wasn't a clarification.
The subsequent post seemed to be a pretty clear one, though.
So is the beef for you that Richard made his statement without apparent authorisation? Or, that the reasoning behind not wanting "how much is it worth" posts is flawed. Maybe both?
I'm not really getting what has bothered you. Would you explain it a bit more?
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Here's a clue Juddy....what would YOU pay for one? That will give you an idea as to what to expect others might be willing to pay ;D
As for "what is it worth" questions....Phoenix is entirely right in saying they were never welcome on the old REMLR forum nor the AULRO forum. On AULRO any such questions were very quickly removed by moderators for the reasons Phoenix stated, and also because by posting such questions a flurry of "sell it to me" replies followed. There is a markets section to be used for selling, it's not too much to ask that selling be done properly and in the proper places ;)
What would I pay for one, come on what kind of question is that? If you said you had one for sale for $200 and I needed one then I would probably pay you that amount. Is it worth that I have no idea ( because we refuse to give it a proper value ), some smart arse would no doubt chip in and say they got theres for $50, and as such I could think you ripped me off, or I could think I really needed it so I really don't care what I paid for it..
If we had a value of these things, say bush bars are worth between 100/300 $ depending on condition and seller then at least as a buyer you would know what the going rate was.
They seems to be this historic secret squirrel stuff going on with some REMLR members, we live in a electronic world now, and as such nothing is classified anymore, theres no need to continue to adopt the ways of the Masons. ( saying that my dear Granddad was one, but he did not drive a Land Rover )
It can get confusing, a ebayer may have a price on something for say $500, remlr will say thats far too high its only worth $100 ( well within the trading circles of remlr that it is ).
And if a remlr member knows that a item sold for $500 on ebay etc, would he really offer his/hers for $100 to another remlr member on here.....??????????
I would love remlr to be in its own secret world, and have remlr currency but I am afraid that aint going to happen. And if remlr is to survive to the younger generations out there then some flexibility is required.
I will not tolerate any one who states I am out to benefit from selling anything I have. I am however not here to be out of pocket, and when ever I can I will support remlr members in any way I can in offering a fair price on what I sell, or from what can obtain to support the military Land Rover Owner.
However I am only a member and as such I have to follow the rules of the organisation regardless of if I agree to disagree....
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Korg
Read Richards first reply (post #3). He says - The forum really isn't a place for finding out what you have is worth.
Thats not clarification of the issue. As I say in my previous post, who gave Richard the power to make such a statement?
I'm not trying to 'stir the pot' but simply to get some answers. It worries me when statements like these are made without authorization.
Sure, post #3 wasn't a clarification.
The subsequent post seemed to be a pretty clear one, though.
So is the beef for you that Richard made his statement without apparent authorisation? Or, that the reasoning behind not wanting "how much is it worth" posts is flawed. Maybe both?
I'm not really getting what has bothered you. Would you explain it a bit more?
Korg
Yes both.
There appears to be no REMLR Forum rules/policies. If this is so, then Juddy has done nothing wrong as there is no rule or policy for him to break.
If there are no official REMLR Forum rules as approved by the Committee and the Committee has yet to discuss this matter, Richard would therefore be 'unofficially' applying his own personal comments and judgement to the 'Whats it Worth' threads. As an Incorporated Association, these decisions and rules/policies should be preapproved by the Committee and posted on the forum for members to peruse and comment on. Once officially accepted by the membership and Committee, these rules/policies should be posted in a sticky thread for all to see.
I believe REMLR Inc walks on dangerous grounds if individual Committee members take matters into their own hands without Committee approval.
I hope this helps :D
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Juddy, it all comes back to the same thing I said before.......
how long is a piece of string?...and we all know its twice as long as it is from one end to the centre ;D
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Too right Vixen...
But I should not be gotten at for a simple remark...... that I was unaware that it was breaking a remlr rule ( when clearly it was not )
My message would be dont shot down your helpers, before you understand what they may have to offer...........
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However I am only a member and as such I have to follow the rules of the organisation regardless of if I agree to disagree....
What rules Juddy? There are none as far as I can see.
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Too right Vixen...
But I should not be gotten at for a simple remark...... that I was unaware that it was breaking a remlr rule ( when clearly it was not )
My message would be dont shot down your helpers, before you understand what they may have to offer...........
Just what are you offering Vixen Juddy? Should i dress her specially for the occasion? ;)
Coops.
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It was just a quotation...
As for dressing her, ummmm lets go for some long leather boots, short skirt, er...... linen white top, a nice set of Vagin Pouvoir, and a Land rover baseball cap...
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C'mon guys...
Getting stupid now >:(
Yes REMLR is a Inc entity now, so if you have concerns send the committee members a PM. I have regarding an issue I had with something, it might not have been responded to, but I did go through the motions. I choose to leave it at that.
So if not happy, go through the process of challengning it, if you are not responded to, then make it known to other members and go from there. Give the committee a chance to respond in the first instance.
I don't think it unreasonable to ask questions and expect an answer, we all have busy lives and things do take time. The committee needs a reasonable amount of time to respond as a group.
A "Private area", which if its anything like the "AULRO Private REMLR area" for some reason has been left locked on AULRO, can be made "unavailable". I think it isn't needed, we are all adults and should behave that way.
Regarding people watching for price info, this has gone on for years. Juddy, I can understand you wanting to know the value of things, wish I did when I first started getting into LR's. That said the Value of things comes down to what people are willing to pay. Brush Bar's I have come across have ranged from free, to swaps, to close to one hundred dollars. There are people in the community that will ask for spotters fees, your first born child for info etc etc but the 98% of people are good and fair.
I think some forum rules or code of conduct needs to be sorted before we bunker down into private area. In the least we all know what the state of play is. Its not implied, not the vibe but a set of working guidelines.
There is some great posts on the new forum here, there is also some crappy stuff I can only assume pumps up peoples post counts. Some of these post are just a total waste of time and Hijack topics... Be great if this stopped, its very annoying and dare say I'm not the only one that thinks so >:(
Well my two bobs worth.
R
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There is some great posts on the new forum here, there is also some crappy stuff I can only assume pumps up peoples post counts. Some of these post are just a total waste of time and Hijack topics... Be great if this stopped, its very annoying and dare say I'm not the only one that thinks so >:(
Well my two bobs worth.
R
Did you leave your sense of humour in bed this morning Richard? ::) It's OK to be all serious, but life ain't like that ;D
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Did you leave your sense of humour in bed this morning Richard? ::) It's OK to be all serious, but life ain't like that ;D
If life was like that, how tedious.
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There is some great posts on the new forum here, there is also some crappy stuff I can only assume pumps up peoples post counts. Some of these post are just a total waste of time and Hijack topics... Be great if this stopped, its very annoying and dare say I'm not the only one that thinks so >:(
Well my two bobs worth.
R
Did you leave your sense of humour in bed this morning Richard? ::) It's OK to be all serious, but life ain't like that ;D
"OK to be all serious, but life ain't like that"..... Pat, great that is your ethos, good for you girl !! What does that have to do with my level of humour after leaving my bed? and if your offering your services as a life coach, please consider your services not required.
Instead of engaging in any constructive manner to what I placed on the forum, usual Crap prevails. Well, good work, another to the post count,, YAY :o
Instead of trying to get a constructive outcome to a topic that was getting heated, your input is such... ;)
Awaiting your reply Mr Cooper.... ::)
R
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My reply to you is this. I have found that, sometimes, the best way to take heat out of a subject is with humour. This is why i put the post in about dressing Vixen to Juddy, his reply was very funny. I am a moderator on a forum and have seen, and used, this method to deflect things getting excited. If you do not find the room for humour in life or in here, wow.
Coops.
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"OK to be all serious, but life ain't like that"..... Pat, great that is your ethos, good for you girl !!
R
Yep, life is too short to be getting caught up in the pettiness of arguments like this. There is far more stuff of more importance in life. Life would not stop if REMLR (or any other hobbyists/enthusiasts club or forum) no longer existed.
Oh yeah...check my MASSIVE post count ::)
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Sorted them, everyones calmed down, stress free, and looking forward to enjoying life the weekend and Land Rovers..... ;)
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Hi everyone,
Thank you all for your thoughts on this matter.
The issue of what is it worth has been under consideration by the Committee for the last few days. I'm sure you would appreciate that not all members access this forum every day - the same can be said for the committee.
For the time being I'm going to lock this thread - I'm sure Phoenix will unlock it when he has a more formal response to provide.
I don't anticipate this will take too much longer.
Cheers,
Pete
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I go to melborne for the weekend to look at pretty dresses and all hell breaks loose!!! :o ;D
Ok, yes, there is no set of forum rules on this forum per say. Why not, because I simply continued to operate on the policies and rules that we operated under on the old forum. There had been no problems so the issue had not come up within the committee area on the forum. I also remind people that while I am the administrator on here, it is the committee that writes the rules so to speak. I am simply one of those that enforce what seems reasonable.
There is a few people making a lot of noise in here as well I have to say. I have cast no generalisations or accusations in any direction in my comments in this thread, and unless anybody missed it, I did actually answer the question myself in my post early in this thread.
As has been said, the committee is discussing both the issue of forum rules, as well as a private members area and "what's it worth" threads in general. If you have an honets submission or thought on those topics, feel free to look up the forum rules thread and make your suggestions.
Richard