Registry of Ex Military Land Rovers
REMLR Technical => Bodywork & Painting => Topic started by: Ned260 on May 24, 2015, 03:27:37 PM
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G'day all,
I have a question about the plate on the firewall on my Perentie, seeing as though 48-666 is well into production, how come the plate states to refinish it in just olive drab?
Could be a silly question seeing as though I thought it would have rolled off the line wearing camouflage.
(http://i.imgur.com/R7t4C19.jpg)
Thanks,
Ned
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http://www.remlr.com/paint.html
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Olive drab was the base colour, and I suppose they felt silly putting camouflage as it isn't a colour per say.
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Just to clarify, the Olive Drab base coat (450-2022) is different from Protec Camouflage Green (342-1166)?
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Just to clarify, the Olive Drab base coat (450-2022) is different from Protec Camouflage Green (342-1166)?
yep, also PUP vs Enamel
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Just to clarify, the Olive Drab base coat (450-2022) is different from Protec Camouflage Green (342-1166)?
yep, also PUP vs Enamel
Ok so just PUP vs Enamel, or also the shade of Green?
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AFAIK it is the same colour the sheen may be different as Protec comes in 3 different sheens a flat, semi gloss and gloss. I have painted my S3 in semi gloss and
cant tell the difference from the in service paint colour also it resists oil stains better. :D
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Interesting. Sorry for the highjack, bit I guess its all related.
One more thing, what's with green seen on surveys?
(http://www.klrautomotive.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/tips31.jpg)
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Interesting. Sorry for the highjack, bit I guess its all related.
One more thing, what's with green seen on surveys?
(http://www.klrautomotive.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/tips31.jpg)
Same as every other Perentie. The Olive Drab inside and under the AUS Cam PUP outside. Just more paint. Tropical roof may or may not be AUS Cam most are a fiberglass gel coat like the Brown.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but on the updated 'afghan' scheme, it appears as though the tan/brown colour is the base coat? And the green is applied in blotches afterwards, but seeing as though where the bonnet rests on the wings is a perfect example of un-faded green, it leans towards a green base coat.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but on the updated 'afghan' scheme, it appears as though the tan/brown colour is the base coat? And the green is applied in blotches afterwards, but seeing as though where the bonnet rests on the wings is a perfect example of un-faded green, it leans towards a green base coat.
Hi,
not sure what you mean by 'Afghan' scheme, but I have a perentie that was in Afghanistan and it is as all the others, olive drab is the base then brown and black over spayed.
regards
Scott
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Ah my apologies I'm imagining things, but the pattern has been altered since they first started being painted in camouflage is that correct? I have definitely noticed two distinct different patterns, one pattern (must be the more current version) as is on many perenties and the td5's, and another pattern, featuring more green. Apologies for not being able to put photos up right now to demonstrate what I'm on about.
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Ah my apologies I'm imagining things, but the pattern has been altered since they first started being painted in camouflage is that correct? I have definitely noticed two distinct different patterns, one pattern (must be the more current version) as is on many perenties and the td5's, and another pattern, featuring more green. Apologies for not being able to put photos up right now to demonstrate what I'm on about.
Hi,
yes you're correct that there is two distinct patterns but we haven't been able to determine the time frames for changing or if both where concurrent.
regards
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Interesting. Sorry for the highjack, bit I guess its all related.
One more thing, what's with green seen on surveys?
(http://www.klrautomotive.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/tips31.jpg)
Same as every other Perentie. The Olive Drab inside and under the AUS Cam PUP outside. Just more paint. Tropical roof may or may not be AUS Cam most are a fiberglass gel coat like the Brown.
Sorry but this doesn't make sense. A mate has a survey and the green on it is a lighter, brighter, kind of more lime and my truck has just the olive drab.
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This is just put down to the fading characteristics of the paint, the paint on my GS is faded to the pale colour, like your mates survey, it's not actually applied as a different colour, and it's for this reason that I bought 4 litres of protec olive drab today ;D
Once again a guru can correct me if I'm wrong of course
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Interesting. Sorry for the highjack, bit I guess its all related.
One more thing, what's with green seen on surveys?
(http://www.klrautomotive.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/tips31.jpg)
Same as every other Perentie. The Olive Drab inside and under the AUS Cam PUP outside. Just more paint. Tropical roof may or may not be AUS Cam most are a fiberglass gel coat like the Brown.
Sorry but this doesn't make sense. A mate has a survey and the green on it is a lighter, brighter, kind of more lime and my truck has just the olive drab.
If its in a photo it will never look the same even an image of the same Perentie in another light will look way off colour.
They all looked like this in olive drab first.
(http://www.remlr.com/photos/pics9/110%20cooma%201988.JPG)
110 Perentie - Auscam DP Camouflage
When the Perentie 110 models were manufactured from 1987 they were also factory painted that same Olive Drab colour, though the paint itself was technically much improved. However not long after production began the painting switched from plain olive drab, to the Dispersal Pattern Camouflage (DPC) more commonly known as Auscam. The vehicles that participated in project Perentie were all in olive drab, photos of those vehicles can be seen on the Project Perentie page.
At sometime before the new SASR 6x6 LRPVs were delivered to the Army, the Auscam became the official scheme. It has gradually (over the 1990's decade) been applied to the whole "green" fleet, from Mack 6x6 Dumpers to the ½ ton trailer. This approved "disruptive pattern" paint scheme ("Auscam") was factory painted on the batch of the Land-Rover TD5 110s in the year 2000 indicating it is still the current scheme. This big fleet colour changeover job was still in progress at some Australian Army Reserve depots as late as 2001. It seems vehicles were repainted as the opportunity eventuated or when the vehicle's original Olive Drab paint had faded and thinned out to the point where it started to look neglected and in need of TLC. Vehicles which were rebuilt or had major repairs undertaken were also repainted. http://www.remlr.com/paint.html#110cam
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Sorry but this doesn't make sense. A mate has a survey and the green on it is a lighter, brighter, kind of more lime and my truck has just the olive drab.
My understanding is that the lighter green that you've seen is the NIRR paint some Perenties have. I've noticed that colour - and it's very distinctive - on vehicles with the NIRR sticker anyway.
Is NIRR paint different to PUP? Too many initialisms.
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Sorry but this doesn't make sense. A mate has a survey and the green on it is a lighter, brighter, kind of more lime and my truck has just the olive drab.
My understanding is that the lighter green that you've seen is the NIRR paint some Perenties have. I've noticed that colour - and it's very distinctive - on vehicles with the NIRR sticker anyway.
Is NIRR paint different to PUP? Too many initialisms.
Hi Dervish
NIRR stands for Night Infer Red Reflecting It is Polyurethane paint, and PUP stands for Palmer Unitrd Party as well as PolyUrethane Paint. The lighter colour green is not a different colour green as many claim infact the lighter colour green is caused by a phenomenon called fading. If you look at the areas of the lighter coloured vehicles that haven't been exposed to the elements you will see that they are the correct colour. All the colours used in defence are based on the Federal Standard which is the American equivalent of the Australian colour standard. They use a number system which denotes the sheen and colour.
The colors in the Federal Standard set have no official names, just five-digit numbers. Any names given below are generic.
The first figure can be 1,2 or 3 and indicates the level of sheen:
1 = gloss
2 = semi gloss
3 = matt
The second figure of the code indicates a general color classification group;
0 = Brown 5 = Blue
1 = Red 6 = Grey
2 = Orange 7 = Other (white, black, violet, metallic)
3 = Yellow 8 = Fluorescent
4 = Green
The federal standard for the camouflage green is 34088 the tan has another number as well as the black. Yhe tan ad black are the same as the blachhawks and kiowas. the green used un the blachawks is different to the kiowas and the green used on the vehicles is different again.
I hope you are confused now.
Cheers
Rod
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One thing I forgot is the number shown on the sitcker is the manufacturers code for that colour. That particular number is only good for that manufacturer which is Anzol. Anzol does not exist any more it was swollowed up by Valspar, which do not have any defence contracts at the moment.
Cheers
Rod
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I'm still dubious, it is hard to believe it is faded protec camo green. I'll try get some side by side photos.
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I'm still dubious, it is hard to believe it is faded protec camo green. I'll try get some side by side photos.
For all the doubt′ing Thom′as out there. If you have a look at the picture you will see the original colour of the green where the canopy covers the top of the rear guard, it fades away as it becomes exposed to the uv.
Cheers
Rod
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and some more proof
Cheers
Rod
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Everything Rod said ^^
except that NIRR is NEAR Infra-red reflectance.
Additionally;
PUP was also chosen for its resistance to chemical attack and ease of de-contam. As patchpainting with PUP wasn't done due to the specific equipment needed, it was authorised to use enamel pressure packs. Info about the Safety issues and the Enamel paint codes can be found here- http://afmsafety.com.au/safety/all-vehicles/
Click on the Paint Repair policy link and you will download the relevant EMEI.
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Thanks for your explanations and additions to the knowledge base Dave and Rod.
So here I go, sticking my neck out again. I was easing some bolts into the corroded threads of the aerial mounts yesterday with WD40.
When that "lighter" shade of green is subject to WD40, or overnight dew, or even a drop or two of oil, it returns to being an identical colour to the original shade of OG until it dries.
Therefore, the "fading" explanation works for me.
Also, those who have used lanolin or some other witch's brew on their external finish may not have noticed the lighter shade at all :)
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OK - overnight dew, aerial mount
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