Registry of Ex Military Land Rovers
REMLR Technical => Vehicle Markings => Topic started by: aussiegregmac on February 04, 2014, 03:55:57 PM
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Regards that Tac with the number 32. In an earlier Century around the era of Series 2 and Series 2A the Armoured Tac of Red over Yellow with 32 belonged to 2/14 Qld Mounted Inf. At least till 1986 when it amalgamated with 3/4 Cav.
Anyone got a time frame on 2Cav with that number ??
Greg Mac
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It was 2 cav in 1980 and had been for a while, from the photos at admin blg at Holsworthy they had that number from formation will have to look up when that was :)
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2/14 was amalgamated with 4/19 to form 1st cav regt in 1965 it then had a name change in 1970 to 2 cav :D
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Sorry, didn't know 2/14th Queensland Mounted Inf. ever left Qld.
I'll defer to learned minds re the number 32 then.
Greg Mac.
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I'll check the Formation Signs book tonight, however IIRC the unit serial for the same type of unit can be the same but under different Div or Bde.
BTW: I have a 2Cav cap badge at home, Geoff, if you don't still have one, maybe I should give it to you?
Diana
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Tac sign 32 also applied to 2/14 LHQMI(previously A SQN 3/4 Cav.I have found some photos from my time there in Tech Suppt that can confirm this(and had conformation from others).Another vehicle that has been labeled as 2Cav is the Ambulance variant known as ERV "TIRED".I have personal knowledge of that vehicle(see MY LONGEST DRIVE THREAD...some where on here).The photo was taken between A..B/C Sdn buildings, looking at RHQ.Im getting off track on this post so let me know where to post other info.Cheers.
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Time frame for me at 2/14..mid/late 88 to mid 92.
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Here's the history of 2 cav from wiki its almost word for word from the unit site which I cant find at the moment ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2nd_Cavalry_Regiment_(Australia)
B sqn 2 cav was A sqn 2/19 QMI
I think Diana might have the answer 2 CAV is 1 div and QMI is 2nd div so both could have the same tac number but different div sign
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According to Vehicle Unit Signs: Sep 77 --- Oct 81
Under: Field Force Comd, 1 Armd Regt = 30 --- Comd HQ 1 TF
Under: HQ 2 Div 1/15 RNSWL = 37 --- Comd HQ 2 Div
" " " " 2/16 HRL = 32 --- Comd HQ 2 Div
Under: HQ 3 Div 1/19 PWLH = 32 --- Comd HQ 3 Div
" " " " ' " " A Sqn 1/13 VMR = 38 --- Comd HQ 3 Div
Under: HQ 4 Div A Sqn 3/19 SAMR = 32
Under: HQ 5 Div A Sqn 10 LH = 32
Under: Comd 1 TF 2 Cav Regt = 32 -- Comd HQ 1 Div
Under: Comd HQ 3 TF, B Sqn 3 Cav = 34 --- becomes 3/4 Cav
Under: Comd HQ 6 TF, 4 Cav = 33 --- becomes 3/4 Cav = 34
Under: Comd HQ 1 FF Gp, A Sqn, 2/14 QMH = 32 --- Comd HQ 7 TF
If that all makes sense.
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It gets easier after 81 only 2 divisions 1 and 2 and the task forces became brigades
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During my time at 2/14 LH we were ARA, with a Ready Reserve capability under the auspices, of 6 Brigade based at Enoggera Qld.Hope this helps and allay some confusion.
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and 1 Div
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I just looked at inservice pics of my ferret at 10th LH and the tac was 103 that was in the seventiesi think.I will check the dates but your book says it should be 32 as well :)
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Will look when I get home (still at work - doing really boring stuff) but the 103 has to be prior to Sept. 77.
I seem to remember people in Sydney putting 103 on signs for 1/15 RNSWL.
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Really a bit tired this morning so a little muddled, Can't find 103 relating to any armoured unit back as far as 1942, at one point (1946 or 1948) 3 Cav has 105.
The only times I have found 103 relating to a unit serial it was a transport unit. Or 103 over 292 for 103 Const sqn etc or elsewhere for 103 sigs.
There is a big gap in the VOSOS and VUS between 1960 and 1977 so that would be the period to research.
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here's some landies at the 10th LH guidon presentation
Just dated the pic the guidon was presented in 1966 so bit earlier than I thought they have ferrets and humbers and a couple of scarcens in this video they upgraded to m113,s in 1969
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103 was the Cavalry unit within a higher formation during the early 1960s: 4/19PWLH - Southern Command, 1/15RNSWL - Eastern Command, 2/14LH(QMI) - Northern Command, XLH - Western Command, were all '103', with the Regular Army Squadron (A Sqn) often adopting and additional "A" suffix, hence 103A on A Sqn, 4/19PWLH vehicles. (The other Sqns were CMF and they apparently thought the Regs needed to show they were different!)
Hence, the LRs at XLH in Booger's images with '103' Unit signs.
3 Cav in 1946 or 1948??
Mike C
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103 denoted the Recce Regt RAAC of a Combat Support Group during the Pentropic period 1960-65. When a squadron was detached as Div Tps it used the 103A. After the return to the Tropical Warfare organisation in 1965 103 was used by the Div Tps Regt RAAC like 4/19 PWLH. 105 was an Army Tps Regt RAAC such as 8/13 VMR. There were also numbers in the 200's, like 206 for 1 Armd Regt and possibly 208 for 3 Cav Regt.
It should be noted that in the post 1965 period 103 also was used for an Army Tps Fd Regt RAA, on their red/blue background. 566 Sig Tp which was originally 4/19 PWLH Sig Tp used it in red on a white/blue background. It was Army Tps under comd 3 Sig Regt (3 Div) for administration.
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G'day 63B, welcome. Funny things Tac Signs. Really confusing cometimes.
Now that you mention it. I used to use the Callsign 63B in an earlier century when I was
in Recon Platoon in an Inf. Battalion in Queensland.
Where did you get yours ?? PM if you want.
regards, Greg Mac.
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Funny that, mine was a recon pl in South Aust in the late 70's.
Which sort of reminds me that our gun buggies in Anti-Armour Pl had AA prefixed tactical markings, AA1, etc, we only had four.
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63B,
"103 denoted the Recce Regt RAAC of a Combat Support Group during the Pentropic period 1960-65. When a squadron was detached as Div Tps it used the 103A."
Not quite: the Unit Sign '103A' was adopted by the A Sqn of the Cavalry Regiments when they were ARA, such as A Sqn 4/19PWLH, etc, to differentiate them from the CMF squadrons. It was unofficial.
Mike C
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Hi Mike,
I've got no idea how to attach stuff here, I'll get the hang of it eventually, but UNIT SERIAL NUMBERS FOR VEHICLE MARKING, dated 29 September 1960, covering the Pentropic division and organisation shows that HQ Task Force when operating independently outside Australia was to use 40A indicating adv elms of HQ Div; that detachments of Adv Engr Stores Regts or Sqns were to use the normal number which would have been 286 for regts and 254 for sqns in the vulgar fraction form with the affix 'A', and finally -
RECCE REGT (a) 103 (a) Any elm allocated to a DIV is 103A
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So if my Perentie was a RAAF unit, what sort of tac plates did the RAAF have?
I have its history, so I know where it was last which was 381ECSS (Expeditionary Combat Support Squadron?) at RAAF Williamtown.
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Just found this image on the Facebook page for 381ECSS, but doesn't help with TAC signs. Photo might help anyone who is looking for it.
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Hi Mike,
I've got no idea how to attach stuff here, I'll get the hang of it eventually, but UNIT SERIAL NUMBERS FOR VEHICLE MARKING, dated 29 September 1960, covering the Pentropic division and organisation shows that HQ Task Force when operating independently outside Australia was to use 40A indicating adv elms of HQ Div; that detachments of Adv Engr Stores Regts or Sqns were to use the normal number which would have been 286 for regts and 254 for sqns in the vulgar fraction form with the affix 'A', and finally -
RECCE REGT (a) 103 (a) Any elm allocated to a DIV is 103A
To attach things press the "additional" button in the bottom left corner of a new post ;)
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1950 2/14 qmi were located at bulimba bks moved to hamilton road moorooka then to wacol bks and finally merged with 3/4 cav regt at enog bks 2/14 qmi had a troop at beenleigh early 1980,s does this help