Registry of Ex Military Land Rovers
Vehicle Variants => Trailers => Topic started by: STEVE F on June 22, 2016, 10:26:27 PM
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Just got one of the No5 trailers from Grays Auctions in Sydney and looking into rego. I'm hoping, to save me reinventing the wheel, that someone has used someone on Sydneys North Shore (or around Richmond, Dural etc) for a Blueslip and they can pass on the details.
Basically want it to go as smoothy as possible so looking for a place that has done it before, knows what the trailer is, and just needs me to supply the paperwork (and weighbridge ticket if needed)
If not I'll sort it but guessing it'll take a bit longer :)
Any help appreciated.
Cheers
Steve
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Try KLR at Sth Windsor - they know about these things :)
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Have a read here:
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/military-trailers/236817-how-did-you-get-your-no-5-registered.html#post2549625
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Try KLR at Sth Windsor - they know about these things :)
Thanks, shot then a message, was thinking they might be a good choice and close to me too (Mount Colah)
Cheers
Steve
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Have a read here:
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/military-trailers/236817-how-did-you-get-your-no-5-registered.html#post2549625
Thanks, posted on there earlier this evening, I'm trying to avoid the home built path as I just have the signal taillight and no doubt other things I'd have to change for a 2016 registration. I'll see what KLR come back with, doesn't sound like it's going to be too hard.
Cheers
Steve
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Have a read here:
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/military-trailers/236817-how-did-you-get-your-no-5-registered.html#post2549625
Thanks, posted on there earlier this evening, I'm trying to avoid the home built path as I just have the signal taillight and no doubt other things I'd have to change for a 2016 registration. I'll see what KLR come back with, doesn't sound like it's going to be too hard.
Cheers
Steve
So, did you read that post I linked to? Your reply suggests you didn't.
It says it's not homebuilt. It says the manufacturer is recognised by the NSW Road Traffic Authority.
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Have a read here:
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/military-trailers/236817-how-did-you-get-your-no-5-registered.html#post2549625
Thanks, posted on there earlier this evening, I'm trying to avoid the home built path as I just have the signal taillight and no doubt other things I'd have to change for a 2016 registration. I'll see what KLR come back with, doesn't sound like it's going to be too hard.
Cheers
Steve
So, did you read that post I linked to? Your reply suggests you didn't.
It says it's not homebuilt. It says the manufacturer is recognised by the NSW Road Traffic Authority.
Yes, I read it, the original poster in that thread listed nothing but problems getting it registered in Sydney, I know your post had some info but didn't help in finding a place in Sydney that would blueslip it as it stands. The original poster also said they ended up having to get it registered as a homebuilt hence my reply here. Thanks for the info.
Cheers
Steve
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Steve
The No5 is listed in the RTA "makes and models" database under manufacturer ADI (Australian Defence Industries) trying to recall if the model is "No5" or "1/2 Ton" or a combination of both. Best to include both on the blue slip.
If you're going for full rego, you'll need a weighbridge ticket too.
You can get blueslips through KLR at South Windsor or LVS (Land Vehicle Spares) at Econo Place Silverdale.
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Thanks, went to the RMS today and tested the waters by getting an unregistered vehicle permit, it's on the system as ADI 1/2 ton, had to step them through to find it, there was no reference to No5. I've built trailers before so comfortable with the process just want to make sure this is registered as a '65 and not a 2016. I've contacted KLR as they are only about 20 mins from me and will book in for the blueslip once I have picked up the trailer (Monday) and given it the once over.
Sounds like I'll need to go to KLR, get a VIN issued, stamp it on the trailer, go get the weighbridge ticket (Referencing the VIN) and then back to KLR for the blueslip with ticket in hand.
Cheers
Steve
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Given that its a 65 or 66 build and never civilian registered, you should be able to just stamp the serial number, You could also stamp ADI 1/2 ton ? ? ? ? ( the ? being the serial) after all the Army Inters Mk4 and F1 etc were stamped ADE 4X4 ? ? ? ? or ADE 6X6 ? ? ? ? otherwise you could use the ARN, that way in the future people will know the origins of the trailer and not some come contemporary VIN that bears no relevance to the build or service of the trailer.
If you know the ARN from the auction you can find out the serial number from the website http://remlr.com/ARN/ARNs_trailer.html (http://remlr.com/ARN/ARNs_trailer.html)
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Given that its a 65 or 66 build and never civilian registered, you should be able to just stamp the serial number, You could also stamp ADI 1/2 ton ? ? ? ? ( the ? being the serial) after all the Army Inters Mk4 and F1 etc were stamped ADE 4X4 ? ? ? ? or ADE 6X6 ? ? ? ? otherwise you could use the ARN, that way in the future people will know the origins of the trailer and not some come contemporary VIN that bears no relevance to the build or service of the trailer.
If you know the ARN from the auction you can find out the serial number from the website http://remlr.com/ARN/ARNs_trailer.html (http://remlr.com/ARN/ARNs_trailer.html)
Thanks, found the frame number in that link based on the ARN listed on my Grays invoice, it's going to look like I made it up as it's 1111 ;) Would a good vin be a combination of the ARN followed by the chassis number?
Cheers
Steve
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When I have registered my trailers with Vic roads, I used the army trailer number (4) digits with the ARN number following. Simple, no one else has the number and the history is there on the drawbar. Vic roads were great to deal with and very helpful.
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Picked it up today and dragged it home. Very please with the way it tows behind the JK, wouldn't know it was there and the pintel was quiet. I think I will drop a leaf from it to bring it down a little, I don't need the full carrying capacity anyway and want it a bit softer. Next to rewire the lights and I'm ready for the blueslip.
It was interesting going through the log books, looks like back in the mid 80's it went to a mechanic around the corner from me for some repairs, kinda cool seeing at some point it was only a km or two from where it lives now.
I took the canvas off for the trip home and used a couple of cable ties for the hood bow as the rear pin was missing and the front was missing a piece as well, I turned it inwards as I felt a little more comfortable if it came loose ;)
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc200/steveff/Trailer/20160627_112450_zpsi0al7jjc.jpg)
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc200/steveff/Trailer/20160627_112528_zpsyruvqtfs.jpg)
Tyres look pretty much new, still havee the rubber nipples on them over most of the tyre.
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc200/steveff/Trailer/20160627_112518_zpsafqzombd.jpg)
Cheers
Steve
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HI, instead of taking off a leaf (which really wont make any difference as they are stiff springs, a lot of people run the axle on top of the springs instead of underneath - that will level it up with your tow vehicle (sorry can't say the word Jeep on this forum! LOL)
regards
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On one of mine the bottom two springs have been turned upside down
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On one of mine the bottom two springs have been turned upside down
Just checked, mine have been too.
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc200/steveff/Trailer/20160627_151829_zps5iaeeib4.jpg)
I might still drop a leaf or two and see how it goes.
Cheers
Steve
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On one of mine the bottom two springs have been turned upside down
Just checked, mine have been too.
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc200/steveff/Trailer/20160627_151829_zps5iaeeib4.jpg)
I might still drop a leaf or two and see how it goes.
Cheers
Steve
Yeah Nah that's correct, they act as helper springs when heavily loaded, if you take a couple of leaves out you will need to run the thread down on the U bolts
cheers
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Hey steve,
How did you go getting this registered?
I am in the process of getting mine done
what mods did you have to do, if any?
cheers
sean
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Haven't done it yet, been over in Indo and got back today so will be wiring up a 12pin flat plug this weekend and sorting rego after that. I have a couple of good places to go though so will keep this updated, probably won't be until next weekend that I take it in for rego.
Cheers
Steve
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Why wire a 12 pin flat plug? do you have a 12 pin on the tow vehicle?
I reckon it would be an easier job replacing the whole loom. There should be a terminal strip under the tub near the back. Replace it with 5 core trailer cable. That's all you need. You can then sell the military loom and plug or keep it attached for when you tow the trailer with a Perentie.
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Why wire a 12 pin flat plug? do you have a 12 pin on the tow vehicle?
I reckon it would be an easier job replacing the whole loom. There should be a terminal strip under the tub near the back. Replace it with 5 core trailer cable. That's all you need. You can then sell the military loom and plug or keep it attached for when you tow the trailer with a Perentie.
Yep, 12 pin on tow vehicle, That was my plan, just didn't spell it all out ;)
Cheers
Steve
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Got the weighbridge ticket done, was 360kg, dropped it in to the mechanic for a blueslip but he couldn't do it while I waited but asked me to leave it and pick it up on Monday with the blueslip. At least that's what I'm hoping.
Cheers
Steve
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Got a list of things he didn't like, luckily planned on doing most of it anyway.
Lunette - not stamped with rating or manufacturer, already have a 2 tonne Mchitch on the way so will use an 'L' bracket to make a bolt on adapter to fit it. He was happy with the proposed mounting method.
Lights - Wouldn't pass it with the single taillight, also the bucket obstructed the right indicator - Was hoping I wouldn't have to change them
Mudflaps - No problem, thought that might be an issue
Reflectors - Again, expected as much.
Needs a letter stating year - Going with 1974 as it's the earliest thing in the logbook and it's simpler if I match with that.
Sooo, will try again in another week or so.
Cheers
Steve
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What a lot of hassle, Qld. just want your money, they don't even want to see the trailer.
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Yep, but to be honest nothing I didn't really expect. Will do a couple of evenings in the garage and hopefully take it back next week.
On the plus side the Lunette unbolted easily enough after I cleaned the paint off the threads, I was a little concerned this might be a struggle.
Cheers
Steve
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Hitch and lights turned up today, should keep the blueslip guy happy.
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc200/steveff/Trailer/20160726_140423_zps3gi3k83f.jpg)
This will mount on a piece of 200mmx200mmx16mm angle, that'll lower it a bit and the thickness is not far off the 20mm of my tow tongue, I'll have two side braces from the ends of the angle to strengthen it as well, should be stronger than the towing tongue then.
Cheers
Steve
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Question - If the trailer was manufactured before the ADRs and you want to tow it behind a vehicle which it was manufactured for, say a 1969 series IIa land rover registered before the ADRs, you do not have to do anything? this has been explained to me ..... by the roadworthy and Vic roads people. I appreciate the different rules in different states however - retrospectivity before the ADRs is recognised everywhere.
If you want to put the trailer behind a modern vehicle - you have to jump through the hoops. This is fair enough. I have registered my No 5 (Albeit in Victoria - a progressive State) by taking the trailer to be registered behind the 1969 IIa and it wasn't a problem....... It was a delight as the combination of vehicle and trailer got a lot of comments and interest.
Speaking practically, fitting the best of lights and reflectors are a good safety item anyway, however if you are only using the trailer on a few days a year, specifically Anzac day - and want to keep it original - it might be best to approach the authorities in a slightly different way ... Why change a pintle and ring system that was designed for each other and works brilliantly?
Just asking a question and offering a comment ....
Frank
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It all depends on who looks at the trailer mine is registered in NSW full rego with original lunette and single tail light no mud flaps and that was done done just 2 years ago ;)
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It all depends on who looks at the trailer mine is registered in NSW full rego with original lunette and single tail light no mud flaps and that was done done just 2 years ago ;)
True, I had less hassle with my homebuilt Teardrop trailer than this ;)
Cheers
Steve
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Question - If the trailer was manufactured before the ADRs and you want to tow it behind a vehicle which it was manufactured for, say a 1969 series IIa land rover registered before the ADRs, you do not have to do anything? this has been explained to me ..... by the roadworthy and Vic roads people. I appreciate the different rules in different states however - retrospectivity before the ADRs is recognised everywhere.
If you want to put the trailer behind a modern vehicle - you have to jump through the hoops. This is fair enough. I have registered my No 5 (Albeit in Victoria - a progressive State) by taking the trailer to be registered behind the 1969 IIa and it wasn't a problem....... It was a delight as the combination of vehicle and trailer got a lot of comments and interest.
Speaking practically, fitting the best of lights and reflectors are a good safety item anyway, however if you are only using the trailer on a few days a year, specifically Anzac day - and want to keep it original - it might be best to approach the authorities in a slightly different way ... Why change a pintle and ring system that was designed for each other and works brilliantly?
Just asking a question and offering a comment ....
Frank
Mine will be towed behind this for when my family come camping with me!!! So changing the hitch is not really an issue for me as I have a standard Hayman Reese bar :) Agreed though, and I asked what if I wanted to register as a historic vehicle etc, he said he would not do the inspection and pass it as such as the club it is registered with would do it (familiar with this as I have two historic motorbikes on the club scheme). I'm sure if I battled I could have overcome most issues but it wasn't worth it.
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc200/steveff/JK/13432270_10153693330508170_3755571926719603037_n_zpsfewuoskt.jpg)
Cheers
Steve
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Good Points -
What was that vehicle you were towing it with ...... ? A tent with wheels ... No wonder he wanter mud flaps! ;)
Frank
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A very drafty tent in summer ;)
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc200/steveff/JK/10401242_10153331884678170_6408312194056021524_n_zpshqrun6v3.jpg)
Cheers
Steve
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Question - If the trailer was manufactured before the ADRs and you want to tow it behind a vehicle which it was manufactured for, say a 1969 series IIa land rover registered before the ADRs, you do not have to do anything? this has been explained to me ..... by the roadworthy and Vic roads people. I appreciate the different rules in different states however - retrospectivity before the ADRs is recognised everywhere.
If you want to put the trailer behind a modern vehicle - you have to jump through the hoops. This is fair enough. I have registered my No 5 (Albeit in Victoria - a progressive State) by taking the trailer to be registered behind the 1969 IIa and it wasn't a problem....... It was a delight as the combination of vehicle and trailer got a lot of comments and interest.
Speaking practically, fitting the best of lights and reflectors are a good safety item anyway, however if you are only using the trailer on a few days a year, specifically Anzac day - and want to keep it original - it might be best to approach the authorities in a slightly different way ... Why change a pintle and ring system that was designed for each other and works brilliantly?
Just asking a question and offering a comment ....
Frank
My two Tracks were registered on the back of a tandem.
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w406/mick_marsh_AULRO/REMLR/DSC_0957.jpg) (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/mick_marsh_AULRO/media/REMLR/DSC_0957.jpg.html)
The Crump and Cornish on he back of a '94 Commodore
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w406/mick_marsh_AULRO/34-597/DSC_3510.jpg) (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/mick_marsh_AULRO/media/34-597/DSC_3510.jpg.html)
No issues with the trailers.
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Got a piece of 16MM flat bar bent and cut to size in the end. I think it might be overkill but it should do the job :) Have set it up to lower the hitch a bit as well to level it out some more. I was thinking of puting some side braces on it but I don't think this'll bend as it is.
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc200/steveff/Trailer/20160729_152547_zps9djwkwiy.jpg)
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc200/steveff/Trailer/20160729_152037_zpsg3tqiegj.jpg)
Cheers
Steve
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Steve - looks great a very solid and safe solution.
Frank
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A ply template, some careful drilling and it all lines up :) Trailer sits level, rear door and tyre clears everything, can't ask for more. Tomorrow some welding of the side braces and the hitch is done.
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc200/steveff/Trailer/20160730_105848_zpsfwuj9xad.jpg)
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc200/steveff/Trailer/20160730_115419_zpswibsxxx8.jpg)
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Cheers
Steve
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Finished the hitch mount other than giving the square corners a trim to round. Was recovering from a late night and early morning run so packed up earlier than planned.
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc200/steveff/Trailer/20160731_145104_zpsqnhhddxh.jpg)
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc200/steveff/Trailer/20160731_144941_zpsokneetu6.jpg)
Has anyone used the Rustoleum Army Green camouflage paint?
Have some on the way to paint the bracket and curious on the match.
Cheers
Steve
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Answered my own question re the paint, bottom section is done from the spray can top part is as it was, close enough for me and will work for painting the draw bar. Slightly lighter but on separate pieces I don't think it would really notice and will all look the same after a month in the sun and on the trails.
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc200/steveff/Trailer/20160801_134442_zpsqha90lee.jpg)
Cheers
Steve
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Looks good Steve, all you need to do after priming and painting is attach a female car plug to your trailer and then you have something to plug the male connector into when the trailer isn't in use which will stop it getting damaged or corroded. 8)
Cheers Frank
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Yeah that looks great, might do that too to the one I'm changing to a camper, what thickness steel? and what dimensions please.
BTW being a rivet counter but your canopy is upside down! the wear band along the middle should be underneath - cheers
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Yeah that looks great, might do that too to the one I'm changing to a camper, what thickness steel? and what dimensions please.
BTW being a rivet counter but your canopy is upside down! the wear band along the middle should be underneath - cheers
Steel is 16mm thick, 130mm wide, the part that bolts to the frame is 200mm long (outside dimension) and part with the Mchitch is 250mm long (again outside dimension). The gussets were just cut from some 6mm plate I had, can't go much thicker as you can't put the nuts back on otherwise size was based on the diameter of cutter left in the drop saw and what it would cut easily ;)
Thanks for the note on the cover, I'll flip it :)
Cheers
Steve
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Looks good Steve, all you need to do after priming and painting is attach a female car plug to your trailer and then you have something to plug the male connector into when the trailer isn't in use which will stop it getting damaged or corroded. 8)
Cheers Frank
Good idea, added to the list :)
Cheers
Steve
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How much can I get done in a 1hr lunch break and still leave enough time for a leisurely lunch, turns out I can cut two mudflaps out of a sheet of rubber, cut two pieces of aluminium flat bar to length and attach them to the bottom of one mudflap (rubber sandwiched between them). At this rate I need one more lunch break to finish them.
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc200/steveff/Trailer/20160804_123448_zpsw9okqkbk.jpg)
Cheers
Steve
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Mud flaps are on, some painting done, just chains, tucking the wires away properly and reflectors to go. Hopefully I can go back for a blueslip this week.
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc200/steveff/Trailer/20160809_123614_zpsihjwrler.jpg)
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc200/steveff/Trailer/20160809_123604_zpskrt81mfr.jpg)
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc200/steveff/Trailer/20160809_123705_zps2ayasbkq.jpg)
Cheers
Steve
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Got around to removing the now too short chains and welding on some new rated ones, ready for a blueslip finally :)
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc200/steveff/Trailer/20160814_095300_zpswdsbbjeo.jpg)
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc200/steveff/Trailer/20160814_100644_zpseipmwl4w.jpg)
Cheers
Steve
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Final check of lights and chains etc and tomorrow I can book it in for the blueslip.
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc200/steveff/Trailer/13909272_10153840170478170_7077772765849265738_o_zps3tzglhvj.jpg)
Cheers
Steve
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Steve - Nice modification with the chain holder! I like that ... Hmm will copy this good Idea! ;)
Good luck with the blue slip - you are very well prepared!
Frank
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Steve - Nice modification with the chain holder! I like that ... Hmm will copy this good Idea! ;)
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Frank
have to agree - very smart :)
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I have to say, while it looks good, I see a potential problem.
When you attach the chains that far back, the actual chain has to be pretty long to allow you to turn without pulling them tight.
If you ever have the trailer pop off the towball, either by forgetting to do it up or by a mechanical failure, the long chains allow the trailer tongue to hit the road.
I actually saw this happen last Tuesday while driving behind a guy with a load of firewood. We were driving through Latrobe and the trailer bounced over a section of roadworks and came off the towball. The tongue hit the ground, slid a bit while thrashing backwards and forwards and then dug in. He only had a single chain and it tore off on the trailer end. The trailer stopped almost instantly as it was loaded front-heavy and was plowing along a section of packed dirt where they were preparing to bitumen. We were only doing 50, but had it been faster or on a proper sealed road, the trailer could have gone anywhere.
Greg.
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I have to say, while it looks good, I see a potential problem.
When you attach the chains that far back, the actual chain has to be pretty long to allow you to turn without pulling them tight.
If you ever have the trailer pop off the towball, either by forgetting to do it up or by a mechanical failure, the long chains allow the trailer tongue to hit the road.
I actually saw this happen last Tuesday while driving behind a guy with a load of firewood. We were driving through Latrobe and the trailer bounced over a section of roadworks and came off the towball. The tongue hit the ground, slid a bit while thrashing backwards and forwards and then dug in. He only had a single chain and it tore off on the trailer end. The trailer stopped almost instantly as it was loaded front-heavy and was plowing along a section of packed dirt where they were preparing to bitumen. We were only doing 50, but had it been faster or on a proper sealed road, the trailer could have gone anywhere.
Greg.
I did think about this but I can't realistically see how I could get around it, I didn't want the chain in front of the section where it bolts to the drawbar as if that fails then the chains go with it. Even if it was half the length it would probably still hit the ground :(
On the plus side a standard hitch pin goes through the hitch where it attaches to the tow pin so it physically can't come off as well as a ratchet screw down, so it has two methods of attachment (unlike a standard tow ball) so the likelihood of it ever coming off is very very slim (but of course anything can happen)
Cheers
Steve
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Passed the blue slip no problems, ARN number is now the stamped in chassis number and is being registered as a 1965 model, now just need the RMS to get their system back up so I can get a plate for it....
Tows really well with the McHitch, no noise other than the old rattle from an empty trailer having a bit of a bounce but don't even feel it's there. I'm really happy with the state it is in now and got to finally check it on a level road to sit if it sits level... Looks like my measurements were pretty good.
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc200/steveff/Trailer/20160816_123358_zpsi5h0lkiw.jpg)
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Now where will I find a spare wheel for it?
Cheers
Steve
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change the wheels on your motor car to suit ?
I thought Suzukis had the same PCD - but maybe it's that they match jeeps.
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Now where will I find a spare wheel for it?
Cheers
Steve
And get a proper tow vehicle ;D
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I have a few spares. I bought them for my trailers.
Now where will I find a spare wheel for it?
Cheers
Steve
And get a proper tow vehicle ;D
Commodore wheels don't fit on No5 trailers.
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I have a few spares. I bought them for my trailers.
Now where will I find a spare wheel for it?
Cheers
Steve
And get a proper tow vehicle ;D
Commodore wheels don't fit on No5 trailers.
I think I might be good for a spare now, found another that is having a different axle and wheels put under it so will hopefully grab those.
Cheers
Steve
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Done, TR01DI or as I read it Trailer 01 Defense Industries ;)
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc200/steveff/Trailer/20160817_094332_zpsilbkzphw.jpg)
Cheers
Steve
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Just did the best part of 3000km towing the No5, Sydney to Fraser Island and back. Stayed dry, despite freeway travel in a torrential storm, no sand in it (sand everywhere else though!!!) and towed great although got a bit bouncy running in the soft sand when the tide was up to high to run along the hard stuff. I will be making a couple of mods though, first will be a spare tyre mount on the front to free up room in the tub.
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc200/steveff/Trailer/20170102_104417_zpszzpcvr5d.jpg)
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc200/steveff/Trailer/20161228_112417_zpslwlofjci.jpg)
Cheers
Steve