Thank you for the compliments gents, Murray I think some of this small engineering attention to detail got into overkill when I started with Land Rovers, I'm at a standstill (kind a sorta) as I have dismantled my mill/drill I bent the spindle (about 4 years ago) and I'm waiting on a replacement, so I have put myself and the good wife into doing a couple of jobs that had been on the to-do list for a while, we replaced a 6.2 meter length of guttering on a carport off the house and put up a 3.3 meter length on a new carport that covers the Series 1 that only needs a horn and get it registered anyway this morning I have emailed a supplier of model engineering supplies up on the gold coast, hopefully he will respond as the local person who is a 10 minute drive away wont answer emails/phone calls so I have given them the flick atm, anyway I will post some more information re the loco later tonight, cheers Dennis