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Offline Diana Alan

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Civilian GVM for Mk3/Mk4
« on: March 31, 2017, 12:18:57 AM »
Does anyone have a Mk3 or Mk4 on full civilian rego.  I'm wondering what the GVM is for civilian use.

I know that someone will tell me that it's 2 1/2 Ton payload, but when you consider that a current Ford Ranger has 3 Tonne payload I'm dumbfounded that the 4x4 Inters would be only 2 1/2 ton.

Going by axle/wheel specs the maximum GVM would be 12 tonne and by military spec 8 Ton including the payload, so I'm thinking (hoping) that its somewhere between 8 and 12.

The reason is that the truck has to go over to Lithgow loaded with club gear and there's a weighbridge on both roads.  I'd hate to run foul of the mermaids.
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Re: Civilian GVM for Mk3/Mk4
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2017, 01:51:26 AM »

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Re: Civilian GVM for Mk3/Mk4
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2017, 08:22:16 AM »
Lots...............
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Re: Civilian GVM for Mk3/Mk4
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2017, 09:59:29 AM »
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Perentie FFR 50-422, SIII FFR 30-146, SIIA GunBuggy 112-726, Mk3 Inter 170-437, ex-SADF SIIB/SIII Radio Relay,
Army Trailers: No5 x 2, W/S x 2, PT1-1.2, Horndraulic ATR dog trailer.
Civilian: MY85 RRc HiLine 4.6, MY51 ex-RACQ 80", MY91 Defender/Reynolds Boughton 6x6, MY12 D4 SDV6

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Re: Civilian GVM for Mk3/Mk4
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2017, 01:04:20 PM »
Here ya go:

https://truckdealersaustralia.com.au/list/kQm/fire-truck-historic-army-acco-4x4/

And a nice looking one it is too.

Of note, last time I saw the price he was asking $19k. I think it will be sold soon.
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Re: Civilian GVM for Mk3/Mk4
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2017, 02:54:25 PM »
Here ya go:

https://truckdealersaustralia.com.au/list/kQm/fire-truck-historic-army-acco-4x4/

And a nice looking one it is too.

Of note, last time I saw the price he was asking $19k. I think it will be sold soon.

Wow that's nice.
Lots...............
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Re: Civilian GVM for Mk3/Mk4
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2017, 02:56:27 PM »
Thanks Mick

If it's MY64 it must be an early chassis number.
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Re: Civilian GVM for Mk3/Mk4
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2017, 03:29:47 PM »
Here ya go:

https://truckdealersaustralia.com.au/list/kQm/fire-truck-historic-army-acco-4x4/

And a nice looking one it is too.

Of note, last time I saw the price he was asking $19k. I think it will be sold soon.
Wow that's nice.
You should buy it. Use it on the farm.
« Last Edit: March 31, 2017, 08:03:30 PM by Mick_Marsh »
REMLR # 310, MVCA # 364, 101 Club # 2188, MHG #101
29-417 101 GS, 30-248 101 Rapier Tractor. 30-238 101
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Re: Civilian GVM for Mk3/Mk4
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2017, 05:40:55 PM »
My last rego GVM was 10.8t,being 5.4 for a single wheel axle,with no other factorsx2.If you are on some sort of concessional rego,I suggest you get something in writing re the allowables.Otherwise the scalies will apply their own interpretation,which may be wrong,but may require you to unload before the truck can be moved.On a full rego,the legal load (per axle is how its assessed) is according to the rego details.From my truckin days I know how much the NSW scalies hate trucks and truck drivers,that I would be very careful.I would also be sure to observe rest periods etc.and record same in any official form required.Unless you have written exemption to the contrary.Now I know "mobile homes" are classed as cars,and are exempt the truck rules,but loads cant be carried.Or you could do what we used to do and simply drive past the weighing stations and pretend to be army.I even had a set of proper army plates,two sets actually ,on wrecks I bought on tender and picked up from a holding yard.Regards John.

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Re: Civilian GVM for Mk3/Mk4
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2017, 09:43:48 PM »
Thanks John

Fatigue won't be an issue as the truck is only going over the mountains from just out of Windsor to Lithgow, the only problem is that the mermaids have a weighbridge on both of the only two roads.

I've had 5 phone calls in the last 48 hours and the last contact referred me back to the third contact, so I'm getting the RMS shuffle.  An email request I sent almost a fortnight ago and received several redirect notifications got its first real reply, asking for more information ... is it an AR or AB.....  :'(

My reply was that it was an Inter Mk3 as per the original request but some people call it an AACO Mk3.

Well see where that goes.
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Re: Civilian GVM for Mk3/Mk4
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2017, 09:48:31 AM »
Hello Diana.  If I were you I would go the highway and through Mt Boyce bridge, dual road up to Katoomba, no stress of a convoy of impatient car drivers behind taking risks to pass. The chaps at Boyce will soon put you straight when you get there if they pull you into the shed, just explain the situation and I'm sure they will help, as long as you leave any attitude at home. You may even get the arrow back onto the highway without going through the shed. As far as making you unload if you are heavy is concerned that is not going to happen. They will only ground the vehicle if it is a certain percentage over which I don't think would be possible given the room on the back of the inter, unless you plan on carrying a heap of armour plate over there, or something similar. What a single axle is rated at in all the brochures  does not really matter, it is the manufacturers rating that is recognised and if there is no plate they will probably go by the army rating of 2.5 tonne. If you want to up that it is a matter of an engineers report to say that the truck is capable of carrying more and that is very involved, affecting brakes, air capacity, air build up time, etc etc etc. As far as going past without going in to the bridge, don't even think about it, it is just plain stupid, the fines are not worth it, and the log book is only required if you are travelling over 100ks as the crow flies from the registered address of the truck. I hope this bit of info helps.   Regards, Bruce.

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Re: Civilian GVM for Mk3/Mk4
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2017, 10:51:06 AM »
I should clarify a point in the last post. When I said the RMS go by the manufacturers rating for the axle weight, that is if it is less than or equal to their allowed rate for an axle. Even if the manufacturer says it is capable of an 8 tonne load the RMS will still only allow 6.5 or whatever it happens to be. It's all to do with the weight of the tyre on the road, hence why they spilt weigh. You can be under gross weight and still be booked for over if you are too heavy on one axle. Tyre size and rating comes into play as well. It doesn't always apply that you can just add up the amount of axles and multiply to give you gross either. One of the trucks I have is a twin steer with two 6 tonne axles under the front but together they are only rated at 11 tonne, all to do with the spacing and the / square inch on the road in one spot. Good luck with the RMS Diana.      Regards, Bruce.

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Re: Civilian GVM for Mk3/Mk4
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2017, 02:26:33 PM »
Hi Diana - the rule is "which ever is the lesser" you can have a single axle with a rating of 5.4 t however, if your tyre rating is less then that, the lower rating rule applies.  If the vehicle has high tyre load ratings but the design load is lower, then the lesser rule applies.  As Bruce says with a twin steer even though each axle has a 6 t the surface area rule only allow 11 t combined due to the steering wheel proximity and surface area loss on twin steer.  In my heavy military vehicles I have driven into weigh stations many times and have been waved through every time.  I always keep my log book up to scratch, however I have never been asked for it as I have never been stopped.  I might be fortunate however if it can go wrong - my name has come out of the stuff up hat too many times to ignore.  I bet your vehicle as an ex NSW Fire Service vehicle has or had a modification plate somewhere on it with the allowable weights for a water carrying vehicle.  At the end of the day, its what the specification plate has written on it  ( 2 1/2  T) unless your tyres have a lesser rating.  Victorian CFA single axle tankers (Dual rear wheels) are rated at around 10 t GVM 3.4 T of water and 5 crew plus gear, foam etc (some vary but this is a general rule) and a few years ago we were told to put them over the weighbridge and the amount of extra equipment we had on board was over 11.5T - CFA rethink on stowing trucks. Its a good thing we were never weighed!

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Re: Civilian GVM for Mk3/Mk4
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2017, 05:37:56 PM »
Hi Diana.

I'm sure your also has this spec plate, but just in case you don't, I'll post a pic of the one off my MK3 as it shows the allowable axle loads.



Wouldn't these weights be what they work off if you were pulled over?
On another point, didn't they ask or have on file the weights that they work off, when you registered it?

I still have to look into rego options down here. Every state seems to have different rego types, requirements and conditions, so it's going to be interesting. I know that down here, if I put it on Club rego, that I can only drive it to, at and from club events, unless I am taking it somewhere to be worked on or inspected. I can't carry any load for monetary return but I can carry items to be displayed or used at a club event.
Down here, I can drive a MK3 or 4 on a Light Truck license, but the F1 requires a Heavy Rigid license and a logbook, which has to be filled out every time I drive it unless I am within 100km of it's "base of operations".

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Re: Civilian GVM for Mk3/Mk4
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2017, 08:34:31 PM »
Yes I have that plate, which is the original Army spec with a 2 1/2 ton payload making about 8 tonne GVM, however I am lead to believe that the civilian payload is something like 5 ton which seems to be confirmed by two trucks posted above with GVM 10.6 and 10.8 tonne.


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Army Trailers: No5 x 2, W/S x 2, PT1-1.2, Horndraulic ATR dog trailer.
Civilian: MY85 RRc HiLine 4.6, MY51 ex-RACQ 80", MY91 Defender/Reynolds Boughton 6x6, MY12 D4 SDV6