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Re: International Mk3, ARN 170-862
« Reply #30 on: September 18, 2012, 10:29:49 PM »
Many thanks to Alien, the brakes have been refurbished. There is no fluid in the system so I have bought some DOT5 silicone brake fluid.
I don't know if anyone has followed the thread on the other forum, but, will I be making a mistake using this in the braking system or do I have the blessing of all?
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Re: International Mk3, ARN 170-862
« Reply #31 on: September 19, 2012, 02:07:33 PM »
No idea. That's why I'm asking.
Ron rekons that is bunk. It works well in his 101.
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Re: International Mk3, ARN 170-862
« Reply #32 on: September 19, 2012, 06:24:45 PM »
The major reason to use DOT 5 fluids is the high temperature rating 500 deg F, however I doubt you are going in the V8 supercar series in a Mk3.

"If silicone is introduced into an older brake system, the silicone will latch unto the sludge generated by gradual component deterioration and create a gelatin like goop which will attract more crud and eventually plug up metering orifices or cause pistons to stick."   

DOT3 and DOT4 will absorb moisture over time and therefore require fluid exchanges.  Silicon fluid doesn't absorb water which may be an advantage until water gets in and then it will not absorb but remain as a globule sinking to the lowest point of the brake system rusting pistons etc.

Of interest "The only major user of silicone is the US Army. It has recently asked the SAE about a procedure for converting from silicon back to DOT 3-4."

 from: http://importnut.net/brakefluid.htm
In referance to Diana's second paragraph I doubt there would any sludge as this truck sits now.
Thanks to Mick's running around...
Refurbished wheel cylinders.
NOS refurbished master cylinder/booster assey fitted(New ruber to booster, master striped,inspected and re-assembled).
New rubber lines X3 after blowing steel pipes out with compresed air.
New RHR steel pipe also(from "T" to wheel cylinder).

In addition to the above we cleaned and greased all the adjusters and expander units.
Brake shoes where hardly worn but some of the bell cranks needed freeing up.
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Re: International Mk3, ARN 170-862
« Reply #33 on: September 19, 2012, 07:38:07 PM »
Ta all.
Still leaves me in two minds. At least I'm not lonely.
More comments/opinions please.
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Re: International Mk3, ARN 170-862
« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2012, 08:46:53 AM »
I would stick with the dot4 Mick, because the other disadvantage of silicon fluid is the price of it and the difficulty in finding some, when you need it after an emergency repair in the middle of nowhere,

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Re: International Mk3, ARN 170-862
« Reply #35 on: September 21, 2012, 09:26:18 AM »
I would stick with the dot4 Mick, because the other disadvantage of silicon fluid is the price of it and the difficulty in finding some, when you need it after an emergency repair in the middle of nowhere,

Cheers Charlie
Thanks for the advice Charlie.
I was surprised how reasonably priced silicone fluid is. It was easy to find. Plenty in stock. The salesman didn't bat an eyelid when I said "Five bottles please." All five bottles were sitting in front of me within a minute. All this within the hour I had for lunch. Tyres won't be here before Christmas. Hope I don't get a puncture.
In reality, this vehicle will never be in the middle of nowhere. I couldn't afford the fuel. If there is a breakdown, with five bottles of the stuff, I think if I have a brake fluid supply problem it would be the least of my problems.
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Re: International Mk3, ARN 170-862
« Reply #36 on: September 25, 2012, 08:49:02 AM »
Good-oh then, about the price and availability! :D

Well the only disadvantage of using Dot 3/4 is changing it every couple of years, which really isn't a hassle at all.

Let us know how you get on with it Mick and thanks for letting me know,

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Re: International Mk3, ARN 170-862
« Reply #37 on: September 25, 2012, 10:16:00 AM »
Mick

I was just thinking about the shear pins.

Try contacting Allen Mulder (Red Rocket) in Qld, I'm sure he had some a couple of years ago.

Diana
Allen got back to me. He just ground down a bolt. The broken shear pin that was removed from this winch was just a ground down bolt. It seems everybody just grinds bolts.
What grade bolt should I be grinding down?
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Re: International Mk3, ARN 170-862
« Reply #38 on: September 27, 2012, 07:55:36 AM »
The original shear pins had a hex-head with a thread close to the head and a plain shank below that, which did the shearing.

I think it would be wise to contact the manufacturers of the winch, or to consult a mechanical engineer, so that they can calculate the shear strength, because the pin must shear before anything else in the system does. The thought of the rope breaking terrifies me!

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Re: International Mk3, ARN 170-862
« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2012, 07:38:56 PM »
Well, after two days of driving around the industrial areas of Melbourne, I think I have finally tracked down someone who is prepared to make hood bows / tarp supports for the Inter.
It was a right pain. The manufacturing industry in Melbourne must be going gangbusters. There are a lot of businesses out there who don't want work.
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Re: International Mk3, ARN 170-862
« Reply #40 on: October 10, 2012, 09:08:48 AM »
Good work Diana!

Another way to test hardness is to make a Schlor schleroscope, which is a glass or plastic tube about 6mm in diameter secured to a ruler and placed vertically over the test piece. Drop a steel ball down the tube and observe how high it bounces on the ruler scale. The test pieces should be flat and smooth to obtain an accurate comparison and the ball round and polished.

Your work probably has some useful tube you can borrow :D,

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Re: International Mk3, ARN 170-862
« Reply #41 on: October 10, 2012, 09:23:29 AM »
Just had a thought - I have a lathe; if you can send me a sketch showing the dimensions of the shear-pin, I can make some for  those who want them.

Information I will need is; the grade of bolt; thread size and form (UNC, etc); distance across the flats; length.

I can make a jig and waist the bolts into a shear-pin and buy the bolts over here,

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Re: International Mk3, ARN 170-862
« Reply #42 on: October 10, 2012, 08:04:44 PM »
Hey guys.
You'll notice the shear pin stuff have been moved to another thread
http://remlr.com/forum/index.php?topic=581.0
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Re: International Mk3, ARN 170-862
« Reply #43 on: October 25, 2012, 07:03:26 PM »
I've had to have some hood bows made up.
One guy quoted $600 each. This guy did an excellent job at bending the tube. So far, $600 for ten.
I still have to weld on tie loops, paint and cut to length but I think a good job so far.
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Re: International Mk3, ARN 170-862
« Reply #44 on: October 26, 2012, 12:56:22 PM »
Like I said, I still have to weld on tie loops, paint and cut to length.
The canopy from Red Rocket should be arriving soon.
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