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Re: Info about the 1ATF Tac sign
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2014, 04:26:56 PM »
The other thing to note about the cencus numbers - and this is my assessment from viewing many vehicles - is that most of those numbers were not stamped on the nomenclature plate.  eg a vehicle that was categorised as 6005M on the BBB's only had 6005 on its plate. 112-464 is an example of this.

I think the nomenclature plates mostly had the generic cencus number for GS, FFT/FFR, WKSP, Ambo etc and not the number of the more specialised variant developed in-service.

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Re: Info about the 1ATF Tac sign
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2014, 04:42:21 PM »
This is not true about about the SIII FFR at least. 

I have seen both 6006 (Truck, Utility, 3/4 Ton, GS, Fitted For Radio) without the suffix letter and my FFR is 6006B (Truck, Utility, 3/4 Ton, GS, with winch, FFR, 24 volt system) and the suffix letter "B" stamped on the nomenclature plate although you have to look to find it.

In the "Census No." field, you see the 6006 aligned to the LH margin of the field, but the "B" suffix letter is aligned to the RH margin of the field.

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Re: Info about the 1ATF Tac sign
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2014, 04:51:54 PM »
I must also point out, that the "B" suffix was not an In-service mod because in the SIII, the vehicles fitted with winches don't have the brush guard angle bracket welded to the top of the chassis dumb iron.

This may be particular to the SIII models and not to the SII/SIIA models that were in service before them and that actually went to SVN.
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Re: Info about the 1ATF Tac sign
« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2014, 05:06:01 PM »
I think the nomenclature plates mostly had the generic cencus number for GS, FFT/FFR, WKSP, Ambo etc and not the number of the more specialised variant developed in-service.

Most of those cencus numbers appear no where, other than in the BBB's.

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Re: Info about the 1ATF Tac sign
« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2014, 10:05:46 AM »
Vehicles form the factiry for the most part wore data plates and census numbers to match how they were built. 

THe ceremonials for example were not stamped 6014, they all have their original plates.  B suffix for with winch for example is pretty common to appear on the plates, even if the description doesn't necessarily match.  One example is a 2a ambulance at bandiana whose data plate wording reads series 2.

So it is the vehicles who changed census numbers during their service life that normally were not re stamped, but noted in the vehicle log and ARN ledger.
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Re: Info about the 1ATF Tac sign
« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2014, 03:17:19 PM »
Most of those census numbers appear nowhere, other than in the BBB's.

I think the census numbers are put in effect by the people in charge of Movements and stores. In a similar thing, current ADF members are all assigned ECNs. Codes are integral to organisation theory.

Here is the way Ordnance used the census numbers (in Vung Tau).


In contrast, here is a snip from a Infantry unit diary (in Nui Dat) showing their vehicle "deployment" or allocation. Note that the man who prepared the table has ignored the census system and assume everyone knows whats what.


This telex message ignores census codes but uses specific ARNs.


Most shipping manifests do not use the census numbers either - they also rely on ARNs


I would guess that nowadays the NSN codes trump everything; perhaps nowadays Movement Control guys have ditched the clipboards and just scan bar codes on vehicles and stores.
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