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Re: 111-823 Spotted for Sale
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2014, 10:56:48 AM »
Series 2 Shortie On Gumtree $350 NSW
http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/east-lismore/cars-vans-utes/1963-land-rover-other-other/1037478407

Its actually a 1959 command reconnaissance (not 1963 as ad described)

Chassis appears to be 143901425 which isnt in the database?

aaand that firewall is gone



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110-415 'Agro' 1959 88" CR              111-676 'Pickles II' 1959 88" CR
114-270 'Maya' 1967 109" GS/WS      113-368 'Castrol' 1964 88" GS
48-975 'Reptar' 1988 110" FFR           48-932 'Widget' 1988 110" GS

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Re: 111-823 Spotted for Sale
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2014, 02:20:23 PM »
Series 2 Shortie On Gumtree $350 NSW
http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/east-lismore/cars-vans-utes/1963-land-rover-other-other/1037478407

Its actually a 1959 command reconnaissance (not 1963 as ad described)

Chassis appears to be 143901425 which isnt in the database?

aaand that firewall is gone

Not only is it in the database,m but we have photos of it, 111-823

Vic. John Bamford Archive photo. No Bull bar. 973 tac
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Re: 111-823 Spotted for Sale
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2014, 06:19:49 PM »
Here tis, 111-823, apparently when it was near new.



Took some finding.

The Series 2A ambulance page [ http://www.remlr.com/2Abloodbox.html ] would be improved if there was a link to the Amb Trials page: http://www.remlr.com/john-bamford.html
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Re: 111-823 Spotted for Sale
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2014, 06:25:03 PM »
Canvas water bags on the front? Was that common?
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110-415 'Agro' 1959 88" CR              111-676 'Pickles II' 1959 88" CR
114-270 'Maya' 1967 109" GS/WS      113-368 'Castrol' 1964 88" GS
48-975 'Reptar' 1988 110" FFR           48-932 'Widget' 1988 110" GS

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Re: 111-823 Spotted for Sale
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2014, 06:31:56 PM »
Here tis, 111-823, apparently when it was near new.

Took some finding.

The Series 2A ambulance page [ http://www.remlr.com/2Abloodbox.html ] would be improved if there was a link to the Amb Trials page: http://www.remlr.com/john-bamford.html

Of real interest here is the Leyland Heavy Recovery standing behind the Land Rovers, is this also on trial? I once saw a report from FVRDE in UK when the Leyland was trialled around Queensland.

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Re: 111-823 Spotted for Sale
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2014, 10:17:26 PM »
Here tis, 111-823, apparently when it was near new.



Took some finding.

The Series 2A ambulance page [ http://www.remlr.com/2Abloodbox.html ] would be improved if there was a link to the Amb Trials page: http://www.remlr.com/john-bamford.html
So near new it was still undertaking trials with the Army Design Establishment. Hence the 973 and X tac.

Notice the height of the No.5 in the middle of the pic.  Looks like it has its axle in the axle over spring configuration.
« Last Edit: January 30, 2014, 11:06:15 PM by Diana Alan »
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Re: 111-823 Spotted for Sale
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2014, 10:53:48 PM »

Of real interest here is the Leyland Heavy Recovery standing behind the Land Rovers, is this also on trial? I once saw a report from FVRDE in UK when the Leyland was trialled around Queensland.

regards, Richard
More telling is that this was one of the trials of the Leyland and the Army went on to purchase the US made M543 and subsequently the M816 and not the Leylands.

There is likely a report of the trials in the National Archives.
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Re: 111-823 Spotted for Sale
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2014, 11:55:01 PM »
The S2 has some writing on the off side windscreen. Also, the little cut out in the grille mesh, for civvy bonnet opening lever access, is covered in a circle-of-mesh-looking-affair.

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Re: 111-823 Spotted for Sale
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2014, 12:25:23 AM »
The S2 has some writing on the off side windscreen. Also, the little cut out in the grille mesh, for civvy bonnet opening lever access, is covered in a circle-of-mesh-looking-affair.

It is a flat, solid, pivoted plate with a slight bump at the bottom that can be swivelled to give access to the release. The whole grille is covered with a "Chaff-guard" that is flywire type mesh in a pressed aluminium surround. Both vehicles are fitted with the "chaff-guard".

Bob

I remember having seen a photo of a Topographical Survey vehicle also fitted with the "chaff-guard" (available as an optional equipment part from Land Rover) - could be in the REMLR photos somewhere, will have a look.
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http://remlr.com/sheds/ph2a_topo.html
From the Repair Parts Scale 02017 mentioned:

•Guard, mesh, protection, insect and grass 332440 (Fine stainless mesh as per factory accessories catalogue)

Look at the photo of the front of the vehicle (http://remlr.com/photos/pics3/topo_E.jpg) - someone may be able to insert it here (Tx ;)) where you can see the perimeter frame and circular cover plate.
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Re: 111-823 Spotted for Sale
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2014, 08:47:42 AM »
Split this thread to avoid confusion.  I think we have that photo at a larger size in the archive, I will check.

The canvas water bags were not common on military vehicles at least.  more so on civilian vehicles of the time.

The Command recon itself is not on trial, but is supporting the trials of the heavy vehicles according to John Bamford who took the photo.  Being as they were undertaking trials in arduous conditions, the vehicles would have been fitted with extra equipment, comms, water etc etc. 

Trailer is interesting in it's height though.  I wonder if the trailer design was still being finalised at that time?  For more photos of the Leyland, look at the 6-0/61 photos on this page of REMLR http://www.remlr.com/Army-Trials.html

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Re: 111-823 Spotted for Sale
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2014, 08:48:12 AM »
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Re: 111-823 Spotted for Sale
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2014, 08:49:01 AM »
Also some information on this page for the period http://www.remlr.com/ADE.html
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Re: 111-823 Spotted for Sale
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2014, 09:56:32 PM »
The Leyland is still wearing the MoD Tag number. Do we have to ask EMLRA to find the records if the vehicle itself returned to the UK and were we doing the tropical trials on the Leyland for the Brits, the same as we tested the B40 powered 80" (81"modified)?
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Re: 111-823 Spotted for Sale
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2014, 10:06:40 PM »
Also some information on this page for the period http://www.remlr.com/ADE.html
I noticed the ADE page overlooked the trials of the three different Series forward controls.The original 1962 trial of the prototype 4 cyl petrol, the 6 cyl one tested with Glen and the subsequent trial of the 6 cyl SIIB.

These were either the original 4 cylor 6 cyl SIIa trials.









Perhaps these posts should be copied to a ew thread on the trials?
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