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Series 1 88" Army ??
« on: November 29, 2013, 08:41:57 PM »
A fellow club member of mine has a 88" that he bought off a guy (many years ago) who says bought it off the army an even longer time ago, it was later painted cream but DBG underneath, no other signs obvious to Army

chassis number 113800948

It's not in the database

CalVIN says CKD export RHD...

 Any advice on trying to prove or disprove this???

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Re: Series 1 88" Army ??
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2013, 09:43:35 PM »
Any similarities to the one that was at at Dookie?
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Re: Series 1 88" Army ??
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2013, 10:52:53 PM »
As far as I am aware there were no Aust Army series 1 except for the different engine trials vehicles (Holden/Rolls Royce) that I think were 80".

However there are ex mil (not aussie) series 1s around - I owned an 88 7 years ago for a short time so these definitely do exist.

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Re: Series 1 88" Army ??
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2013, 07:18:32 AM »
So far we have 3 confirmed, 1 80"and 2 88" and a heap of 80" in the RAN.

This one we have first hand knowledge of it being purchased from the Army, but how do we really confirm it?

It could be one of the trial vehicles before the Series 2 contract was awarded

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Re: Series 1 88" Army ??
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2013, 12:12:04 PM »
So far we have 3 confirmed, 1 80"and 2 88" and a heap of 80" in the RAN.

This one we have first hand knowledge of it being purchased from the Army, but how do we really confirm it?

It could be one of the trial vehicles before the Series 2 contract was awarded

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As far as I know there was an 80" grey holden engined test car and a rolls royce engines test car - so there are two Army 80" for a start.  You post is the first I have heard of 88s but I am not a avid follower of this era mil vehicles.  The Navy 80s would have nothing military about them and would have been like later versions - standard civy vehicles - these may not have even been Navy as such but actually owned by the Dept of Supply or Admin Services or what they were called at the time and drawn out of their motor pool as required.  I did find some American footage of HMAS Tobruk in the Korean War with an 80 in its waist.  Edit - see it here http://www.gunplot.net/korea/korea4.html note the comment about ships carrying a diesel Landy up until the 70s.

I would also be interested in any confirmed association  of series 1s and the military

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Re: Series 1 88" Army ??
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2013, 02:12:37 AM »
could it be ex MOD sold off from WOOMERA?

any ID plates or similar?--

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Re: Series 1 88" Army ??
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2013, 09:03:33 AM »
There were a number of British Army series 1s used for the atomic tests at Maralinga etc that were never returned to the UK.  These were offered to the commonwealth along with the RL Bedfords. They may well have remained on Woomera till disposal by the Government Auctions.

Cookey has the remains of an 80" which arrived under similar circumstances.
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Re: Series 1 88" Army ??
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2013, 11:38:09 PM »
There were a number of British Army series 1s used for the atomic tests at Maralinga etc that were never returned to the UK.  These were offered to the commonwealth along with the RL Bedfords. They may well have remained on Woomera till disposal by the Government Auctions.

Cookey has the remains of an 80" which arrived under similar circumstances.

which is why the bloke believed he bought an aus army vehicle, as it sold at govt auction... most have telltale signs I believe, like axtra protection on fuel tank... Ellard may be able to assist with this detail..
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Re: Series 1 88" Army ??
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2013, 01:20:57 AM »
Other signs of British vehicles are the MoD data plate and also the presence of the large Warner socket and cap for the trailers, like used on the Austin Champs
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Re: Series 1 88" Army ??
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2014, 10:52:00 PM »
Photo of 174-697

174-697....1958....Series 1....6014....Truck, Utility, 1/4 Ton, GS, Ceremonial....Ceremonial conv. Army Museum Bandiana. . Noted as Series 2 in BBB   04.11.82
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Re: Series 1 88" Army ??
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2014, 07:04:43 PM »
I was talking to a mate today who said he has an ex-army series 1 sitting in his back shed, so there's another one.
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Re: Series 1 88" Army ??
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2014, 08:36:16 AM »
I think we need photos and a chassis number!  It could well be a british one, as there are a few about.
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Re: Series 1 88" Army ??
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2014, 01:44:23 PM »
Again - I have asked this before - with the exception of the ceremonial S1s and the trials S1s is there any evidence that series 1s (ie aussie series 1s) were in service with the Aussie Army.  We know the Navy used civy specs series 1s but what about the army - yes we know they had loaners from the Uk but what about aust army owned landies.

To date I don't think anyone has produced any evidence - if they have it please post.

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Re: Series 1 88" Army ??
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2014, 02:13:49 PM »
Quite correct, no evidence so far on any series 1 vehicles, in fact the army museum bandiana was somewhat in the dark about the origin of the series 1 ceremonials for a time as well because they were among much later vehicles in the arn sequence (ex commonwealth fleet vehicles given to the army later on).

Given that the ARN ledgers stretch to before land rover production began the evidence would be there.  Granted we haven't cataloged the entire arn sequence, but we have done some pretty big sections, and continue to expand it day by day.
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