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Offline THE BOOGER

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Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
« Reply #225 on: May 18, 2018, 11:16:07 PM »
Just tassy and may be WA, NSW still passing with bonnet holders asfaik the pintle does meet adr but different places read the same thing to mean differently

Blackout lights have always been a potenial problem but generally overlooked the pintle may not be marked but is rated at 5 tonne?never heard of the pintle being having to be removed before.
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Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
« Reply #226 on: May 19, 2018, 09:23:17 AM »
Re the tool holders - I am sure these rules are not retrospective.  If they were the Landrover Defender Tanami (a standard civilian Defender model) which had tools on the bonnet as standard and met the ADRs of the early/mid 90s would also have them removed and ADRs roadworthy requirements are not retrospective.

The only fitment that I am aware that are retrospective for any vehicle is the fitment of seatbelts for children.

Basically is tools and holders are approved for the Tanami which they are they are legal for the Perentie.

Sounds like incorrect interpretation of the rules.

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Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
« Reply #227 on: May 19, 2018, 10:38:44 AM »
An extract  from the current ADRs applicable to motor vehicles manufactured today
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5.3.6.                              Hook ‘Couplings’

5.3.6.1.                        Hook ‘Couplings’ suitable for use with a 76.2 mm internal diameter ´ 41.27mm stock towing eye must comply with the dimensions shown in Figure 1.

5.3.6.2.                        Hook ‘Couplings’ must when installed in the design configuration withstand the following forces without incurring loss of attachment, distortion or failure which would affect the safe towing of a trailer:

5.3.6.2.1.                  longitudinal tension and compression 1.6 ‘D-value’; or

5.3.6.2.2.                  a dynamic oscillating force of ± 0.6 ´ ‘D-value’ for 2 million cycles. The frequency during testing not to exceed 10 Hz, but must be chosen not to coincide with the natural frequency of the system.

5.3.6.3.                        Hook ‘Couplings’ and towing eyes must be marked with the manufacturer’s name or trademark and the rated ‘D-value’

These couplings were made before the ADR requirement but may have the required markings on them.
Looking at mine, it does have the manufacturers mark on it (Dixon Bate) and a D value (a bit hard to work out under the flaking paint).

I'd argue the point. Nicely, though.

I argued the point whet the Vicroads inspector jacked up over the stuffed bonnet struts on the Toyota (I had it propped open with a wooden garden stake). "Is it a roadworthy issue?"I asked. "Can you show me the relevent section in the documentation?"
After consulting with her boss, she informed me "We'll pass it this time." She saved face after finding out she was in error and my Camry was registered. All happy.
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Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
« Reply #228 on: May 19, 2018, 11:14:26 AM »
I don’t think they are saying that the pintle hook doesn’t pass the regs/standards, what they are saying is that it hasn’t been tested. They said it had passed a European (NATO?) standard but that that standard isn’t recognised here for civvy use.

No the changes aren’t retrospective if you stay in rego, but don’t let your rego run out or move interstate. The argument would run something like " a civilian isn’t entitled to take advantage of exemptions granted to the military even if the vehicle is ex-military".

IMO it just wasn’t worth the argument, I wasn’t at the Transport Dept with some guy winging it, just an inspection station. I had a guy just doing his job, following the rules sent to him by others and I didn’t want to piss him off.
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Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
« Reply #229 on: May 19, 2018, 12:46:58 PM »
I don’t think they are saying that the pintle hook doesn’t pass the regs/standards, what they are saying is that it hasn’t been tested. They said it had passed a European (NATO?) standard but that that standard isn’t recognised here for civvy use.

No the changes aren’t retrospective if you stay in rego, but don’t let your rego run out or move interstate. The argument would run something like " a civilian isn’t entitled to take advantage of exemptions granted to the military even if the vehicle is ex-military".

IMO it just wasn’t worth the argument, I wasn’t at the Transport Dept with some guy winging it, just an inspection station. I had a guy just doing his job, following the rules sent to him by others and I didn’t want to piss him off.
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Did he give you the standard it conformed to?
Did he give you the standard it didn't conform to?

In the ADR it mentions standards other couplings had to conform to (AS/NZS) but didn't give a standard the pintle had to conform to. It does give specifications the pintle has to conform to, which the Dixon Bate pintle does.
Of note, a lot of the Australian Standards (AS) have been superseded by AS/NZS standards which have been superseded by ISO (NATO?) standards.
If I had a standard number pintles are supposed to conform to, I can obtain the standard.

If the authority rejects something because "It doesn't conform to standards", they must be able to direct you to that standard. The fact they obviously do not know that standard (because they didn't inform you which standard it was), suggests to me they are baffling you with bull****.

Are you happy nit to have a pintle, that's fine. Me, I need one to tow my trailers.
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Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
« Reply #230 on: May 19, 2018, 08:18:52 PM »
Hi Pete,

I'd call their bluff on the so called exemption granted to the military... which exemption? Where is that documented, or at least a reference that you could request the documents from Defence under FOI ?

Most vehicles delivered under Project Perentie and Bushranger met the ADRs of the time. The only exceptions to that might be specialist vehicles such as the LRPV... but I haven't seen a compliance plate for one of those, so who knows....

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Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
« Reply #231 on: June 15, 2018, 01:50:55 PM »
Just to follow up on my post here re: bonnet tools and pintle hitch. The latest Grays auction has 18 Land Rovers, all the vehicles have had their bonnet tools removed and all the 4x4s are missing their pintle hooks, but the 6x6s have theirs.
I think this is more than coincidence, and likely would have been done so that a Blue Slip could be issued at least two as far as the bonnet tools go.
The 4x4s are also missing the large front blackout lights
Pete
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Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
« Reply #232 on: June 15, 2018, 02:59:20 PM »
Just to follow up on my post here re: bonnet tools and pintle hitch. The latest Grays auction has 18 Land Rovers, all the vehicles have had their bonnet tools removed and all the 4x4s are missing their pintle hooks, but the 6x6s have theirs.
I think this is more than coincidence, and likely would have been done so that a Blue Slip could be issued at least two as far as the bonnet tools go.
The 4x4s are also missing the large front blackout lights
Pete
And all have been freshly painted.
Oh, the bonnet fittings and pintle are in a box in the back.
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Re: Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover
« Reply #233 on: November 10, 2018, 06:44:46 PM »
http://remlr.com/forum/index.php?topic=817.msg57240#msg57240

Bit of a discussion elsewhere on this too