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Title: 2a GS landy 113-136
Post by: Jye Maude on October 03, 2012, 02:03:53 PM
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Title: Re: 2a GS landy 113-136
Post by: juddy on October 03, 2012, 03:46:31 PM
No picture?
Title: Re: 2a GS landy 113-136
Post by: Jye Maude on October 04, 2012, 07:35:52 AM
should work now :)
Title: Re: 2a GS landy 113-136
Post by: Phoenix on October 05, 2012, 09:08:03 AM
It does, unusual to see a 2a gs in a camp scheme.  Looks original.  I wonder if the vehicle had a specific use that kept it in service longer...
Title: Re: 2a GS landy 113-136
Post by: Jye Maude on October 05, 2012, 12:54:12 PM
Hey Phoenix
when i purchased it from Albury nsw, it had a canvas over the cab...which made me think perhaps a fire truck?? :/
Title: Re: 2a GS landy 113-136
Post by: Jye Maude on October 05, 2012, 01:15:29 PM
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Title: Re: 2a GS landy 113-136
Post by: juddy on October 05, 2012, 01:15:35 PM
Hey Phoenix
when i purchased it from Albury nsw, it had a canvas over the cab...which made me think perhaps a fire truck?? :/

Ah thats why you are Interested in a  Quell Fire Fighting Unit.
Title: Re: 2a GS landy 113-136
Post by: juddy on October 05, 2012, 01:16:45 PM
The canvas for the Quell Fire Fighting Unit ( the cab that is ) is totally unique to that configuration of vehicle.
Title: Re: 2a GS landy 113-136
Post by: Jye Maude on October 05, 2012, 02:16:48 PM
oh crap :( i no longer have the canvas i swapped it for a gs one :O
the whole fire thing only hit me when i saw those pics today
Title: Re: 2a GS landy 113-136
Post by: Jye Maude on October 05, 2012, 02:47:54 PM
what do you think the chances of it being a fire tender in the defence force???
Title: Re: 2a GS landy 113-136
Post by: juddy on October 05, 2012, 06:32:33 PM
I cant comment on the chance of it being a ex Quell unit, and I would have thought the GS units that were tasked with carrying these units were just that GS units, with the addition of the unique truck cab canvas.  However if yours came with such a canvas then its very likely it could have been a Quell unit, check for the Quell unit mounting points and possible wear in this area.



Title: Re: 2a GS landy 113-136
Post by: Jye Maude on October 05, 2012, 06:51:04 PM
Good idea
Title: Re: 2a GS landy 113-136
Post by: Jye Maude on October 05, 2012, 07:15:49 PM
No idea what I was looking for :o
I did find holes in the base of the tub ??? :-\
Title: Re: 2a GS landy 113-136
Post by: Phoenix on October 06, 2012, 11:11:35 AM
That is a good start, but not the only alternative.

Line layer vehicles alsy had the cabs sometimes, and I'm sure I have a photos of one in a camo scheme somewhere (may have been a series 3). They had extra frame work that attached to the back of the tub and front of the firewall I think.  Also I think reels were bolted on to the floor at the back.  I've attached a photo of a Series 3 line layer for reference.

 Not sure when the drop in fire units stopped being used though. But they did not have tailgates.  I don't think it bolted to the tub either.



Title: Re: 2a GS landy 113-136
Post by: Jye Maude on October 07, 2012, 11:44:07 AM
This is gettng very interesting  ;D These brackets are neatly welded and bolted to the rear crossmember of the chassis...perhaps an extension for the line layer   ???
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh545/Jye_Maude/P1040529.jpg)
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh545/Jye_Maude/P1040530.jpg)
Title: Re: 2a GS landy 113-136
Post by: Tommy on October 07, 2012, 01:17:19 PM
G'day Jye

Great to see you searching out the history of your GS. You may have a unique vehicle. Keep researching :)

My GS 172-463 had a line reel mounted in the tub at some stage in it's military service. The evidence is the four holes smack bang in the middle of the tub floor. Are these holes evident in your GS tub?

I have posted a photo of the same type of reel and holder that was installed in the tub. You can see both in the photo Richard posted. If you keep an eye on ebay, one of these reel holders comes up for sale every now and then. As far as I know, it has not sold each time it has appeared.

Title: Re: 2a GS landy 113-136
Post by: Jye Maude on October 07, 2012, 05:56:21 PM
found them :D but they are closer to the cab :/
(http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh545/Jye_Maude/P1040535.jpg)
Title: Re: 2a GS landy 113-136
Post by: Phoenix on October 17, 2012, 03:35:04 PM
Mmmm, I wonder.  Wrecker ??  I know there is more than we have confirmed so far.  That has the winch gear etc mounted at the front of the tub, pulleys at the rear corners ...

Tricky one.
Title: Re: 2a GS landy 113-136
Post by: Jye Maude on October 21, 2012, 08:34:42 PM
Any pics of the one with winch in the tub?? :D
Title: Re: 2a GS landy 113-136
Post by: Tommy on October 21, 2012, 09:38:47 PM
G'day Jye

The S2A wreckers had an oil reservoir tank up against the tub bulkhead. The winch was then bolted to the floor immediately to the rear of the tank. Your tub floor holes do not match up with the tank and winch setup. Not only that, the holes appear to be too small to support a winch of this size.
Have a look underneath the tub and see if the holes are drilled through the underfloor cross-member. If so, this would be to give the bolt/nut more strength and would suggest that they were positioned for strength rather than at random. If they are not drilled through the cross-member then this would suggest that the object bolted to the floor was not of significant size or weight.

The first photo shows the wrecker winch and the second shows a wrecker tub that has had the winch holes patched over. The LHS middle patch probably has something to do with the oil tank pipework.
Title: Re: 2a GS landy 113-136
Post by: Jye Maude on October 22, 2012, 12:45:18 PM
thanks for the info tommy :D
Ill see what else i can find ;)
Title: Re: 2a GS landy 113-136
Post by: Uncle Ho on October 22, 2012, 01:43:12 PM
G'day Jye Maude  :)

What is the Census Code on your Nomenclature Plate ? that may give an idea as to what it started out as. 6028 being a GS vehicle (Utility Landrover Series 2a 109wb)

Just looked up your vehicle 113-136 and it is listed as a 6028 GS has it got any mofification plate/plates fixed to it, maybe on the send of the seat base,if so the numbers scratched/stamped out will give the modification done to it.


cheers
Title: Re: 2a GS landy 113-136
Post by: Jye Maude on October 24, 2012, 05:16:37 PM
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does anyone know what the bracket bolted to the back fo the cab is ....i also found in the toolbox a bit that you would use to bolt a tyre down?? could a tyre have been bolted to the cab??
Title: Re: 2a GS landy 113-136
Post by: Jye Maude on October 24, 2012, 06:30:48 PM
What frame??  ???
Title: Re: 2a GS landy 113-136
Post by: Jye Maude on October 24, 2012, 06:45:15 PM
Right  :) so all gs landrover had them ??
Thanks for the info :D
Title: Re: 2a GS landy 113-136
Post by: zulu delta 534 on October 24, 2012, 07:09:45 PM
Ahem!!! In actual fact there was an angle iron square that was bolted to the floor to locate the spare wheel!!!
I realise that the civvy parts book quotes a fuel holder bracket that fits on the spare tyre internal mount, but in my time in the green machine, it was a chargeable offence to carry fuel inside an enclosed vehicle.
Regards
Glen
Title: Re: 2a GS landy 113-136
Post by: Tommy on October 24, 2012, 07:35:33 PM
Ahem!!! In actual fact there was an angle iron square that was bolted to the floor to locate the spare wheel!!!
I realise that the civvy parts book quotes a fuel holder bracket that fits on the spare tyre internal mount, but in my time in the green machine, it was a chargeable offence to carry fuel inside an enclosed vehicle.
Regards
Glen

G'day Glen

The RPS book shows it as a jerry can retainer but that's not to say that it's use was not changed to spare tire locator at a later date :D.

The larger hole to the left is of interest as it is the size of hole you would feed a fuel line/hose, electrical cable or similar through. It certainly isn't for a bolt.

Jye, I have attached a couple of photos showing the spare wheel located against the tub bulkhead.
Title: Re: 2a GS landy 113-136
Post by: Phoenix on October 24, 2012, 07:52:13 PM
These pages have some good photos of some as new vehicles, although no GS vehicles per say apart from a Command Recon

http://www.remlr.com/lrprpics.html
http://www.remlr.com/lrprpics2a.html

and this pic shows it well on a command recon.
(http://www.remlr.com/photos/lrprpics/s2_88cr_c_1281x987.jpg)
Title: Re: 2a GS landy 113-136
Post by: Phoenix on October 24, 2012, 08:01:38 PM
And not to state the obvious, but isn't the spare carried on the bonnet in most cases in the Aus Army ??  Hence why not normally a bracket there on a LWB??

Are the holes below the bulkhead "kink" or are they further rearward?

You know in the 480 photos I have of S2a 109 GS vehicles, only one shows in the tub of the vehicle!!!  Certainly no such bracket on the floor in the photo of a panel van in my collection of pics.  Must fix that some time.
Title: Re: 2a GS landy 113-136
Post by: Tommy on October 24, 2012, 09:11:06 PM
These pages have some good photos of some as new vehicles, although no GS vehicles per say apart from a Command Recon

http://www.remlr.com/lrprpics.html
http://www.remlr.com/lrprpics2a.html

and this pic shows it well on a command recon.
(http://www.remlr.com/photos/lrprpics/s2_88cr_c_1281x987.jpg)

G'day Richard

That bracket/retainer looks rather small to hold a jerry can. If this is the original retainer shown in the RPS (certainly looks like it), then why is it referred to as a jerry can retainer?

The other thing to remember is that the bracket/retainer cannot be fitted with the floor tread strips/plates in place. RPS confirms this by showing tub with retainer but no strips/plates. Although Jyes GS has these on the tub floor, they may have been retro fitted later in service.
Title: Re: 2a GS landy 113-136
Post by: Uncle Ho on October 24, 2012, 10:28:04 PM

That is where I carry my road spare in 172-484,which is a 6028D GS,as the bonnet mounted spare is so old that I would not trust it for 1klm,but if somebody wants to steal it,"the bartread looks good" ;D the only thing that I have not got is the angle iron floor bracket, works OK without it.

cheers
Title: Re: 2a GS landy 113-136
Post by: Jye Maude on November 28, 2012, 05:30:16 PM
thanks heaps everyone...im really enjoying the knowledge :D
Title: Re: 2a GS landy 113-136
Post by: juddy on November 28, 2012, 05:57:30 PM
These pages have some good photos of some as new vehicles, although no GS vehicles per say apart from a Command Recon

http://www.remlr.com/lrprpics.html
http://www.remlr.com/lrprpics2a.html

and this pic shows it well on a command recon.
(http://www.remlr.com/photos/lrprpics/s2_88cr_c_1281x987.jpg)

This picture is a trials one correct???
Title: Re: 2a GS landy 113-136
Post by: AGAS 5 on November 28, 2012, 08:22:28 PM
This picture is a trials one correct???

Don't think so. REMLR has it noted as a 'LRPR factory photo' 

Title: Re: 2a GS landy 113-136
Post by: Uncle Ho on November 28, 2012, 08:50:17 PM


G'day AGAS5  :)

That is a rear interior pic of 110-717 from a series of 3 probably taken by BMC at their Enfield PMC works,as were the first ambulance pics,it would have been one of the vehicles presented for approval under Contract C104337 16-12-58,obviously the result was that ribbing be fitted to the floor  ;)

I didn't move to Sydney and join the company until mid 1964.in their parts division.then later across to PMC at Enfield doing bus parts procurement

cheers