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Vehicle Variants => Trailers => Topic started by: Marlin on July 24, 2017, 08:17:12 PM

Title: Trailers in SVN
Post by: Marlin on July 24, 2017, 08:17:12 PM
I see mentioned here occasionally that someone identifies a trailer that has served in SVN. How is this information found out? Is there a list somewhere of all trailer ARN's that were deployed over there, or have a few trailers just been identified from old photos. I have 2 No.5's and would be very interested to know whether either of them were deployed to SVN. 101029 and 154954.

Thanks Jon
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: Carzee on July 24, 2017, 11:09:38 PM
 8)
Yeah, there are some chronicles, covered in dust... its like the Maester's library in Game Of Thrones. But alas its nothing so interesting, its just some nerdy spreadsheets.

I collected info from SVN docs and photos seen in the documents in the Australian War Memorial. Manilla folders. A few dozen of them, some very fat and some very thin. Its mixed in with all sorts of forms lodged for shipping and loading plans etc. Dates are not sorted. Years and months are missing or incomplete, so there are many gaps in the "dbase". I can prove the point about document gaps: some vehicles have photos in SVN but so far there is no note in paperwork I have seen. And keep in mind we are talking about records and forms etc from 50 years ago now. 

Also there is ADF dbase [current system] info which is not yet public. Nudge nudge wink wink. Say no more.

Here are two screencaps in the sections pertaining to your Trailers and it shows that nothing seen -by me- has mentioned your trailers.
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: Marlin on July 26, 2017, 04:22:07 PM
Thank you for your efforts Carzee, I see ARN's very close to mine which makes me wonder.

Thanks again
Jon

Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: 2short on July 27, 2017, 12:45:27 PM
Carzee is always a great source of info.
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: Mike C on July 28, 2017, 07:56:08 AM
101029: RTA Feb 1969 from SVN. In the early 1990s, it was in stock storage in Brisbane.

154954: no indication this one served in SVN from my research. On issue to 1 Signals Regiment during the 1990s.

Mike
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: Mick on July 28, 2017, 03:27:01 PM
Hi Mike,
could you please provide any history on 154931?

Cheers,

Mick
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: Young Eric on July 28, 2017, 11:53:10 PM
Mike
Do you have any history on 154 044 ?
Eric.
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: Mike C on July 29, 2017, 02:03:16 AM
154931: chassis no. 1374: departed SVN Feb 1969. No other info.

154044: no info.

Mike
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: Mick on July 29, 2017, 02:49:28 AM
Hi Mike,

I finally have a veteran - even though it's just a trailer 😀

Thank you for the feedback.

Regards,

Mick
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: 303Gunner on July 29, 2017, 12:14:59 PM
Hi Mike,

I finally have a veteran - even though it's just a trailer 😀

Thank you for the feedback.

Regards,

Mick
Told you I sold you a Goodie!
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: FFRMAN on July 29, 2017, 01:19:25 PM
Hi Mike,

I finally have a veteran - even though it's just a trailer 😀

Thank you for the feedback.

Regards,

Mick
Told you I sold you a Goodie!

Lol
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: FFRMAN on July 29, 2017, 03:02:27 PM
Hi Mike

Here's a couple more if you could check SVN history for me please.


101-779 - workshop plateform

154-975. No5

Thanks in Advance

Scott.
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: Dervish on July 29, 2017, 04:12:00 PM
Also 101-606 if you don't mind please Mike. Very much obliged if possible  :)
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: Mick on July 29, 2017, 04:31:51 PM
.303 Gunner,
Thank you, my wife wanted to kill me but it was a great purchase. A very nice pick up.

Cheers Mate,

Mick
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: Young Eric on July 29, 2017, 09:07:44 PM


154044: no info.

Mike

Mike
I'm disappointed there is no info, but grateful for your time to look that up for me.
Eric
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: Mike C on July 30, 2017, 12:19:10 AM
101696
101779
154975

----no info held/seen by me. That's not to say there isn't any out there: they are just not listed in my database, that's all.

Mike
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: FFRMAN on July 30, 2017, 08:43:30 AM
101696
101779
154975

----no info held/seen by me. That's not to say there isn't any out there: they are just not listed in my database, that's all.

Mike

Thanks Mike, appreciated.
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: Carzee on July 30, 2017, 08:37:19 PM
Hi Mike,

I finally have a veteran - even though it's just a trailer 😀

Thank you for the feedback. Regards, Mick

In my timeline data I have the following RTA details for Feb 1969:

The Jeparit freighter arrived in Sydney from Vung Tau on 10 February 1969. On board it carried C Squadron 1 Armoured Regiment, C Squadron 1 Armoured Regiment Light Aid Detachment coming out of 1ATF.

About the date of the Jeparit was RTA, at the other end, HMAS Sydney (VTF) arrived in Vungers. It embarked 1RAR, returning from the 2nd Tour. The HMAS Sydney RTA data -arrived Townsville 25 February and then Garden Is. 28 February 69. (Data from HMAS Sydney R.O.P.)

So your trailer's service could have been with one of those Units. Start searching up 1RAR or 1 Armoured photos in SVN...
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: Mick on July 30, 2017, 09:16:55 PM
Hi Carzee,

That's great news , as you probably know I'm  ex 1 RAR and deployed with the battalion so I'd be over the moon if she served in Nam with the big blue ONE .

Cheers,

Mick
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: Carzee on July 30, 2017, 11:08:45 PM
I hope the hunt goes well for a photo, it'd be a great result.

[tease alert] Here's the pic of my trailer 101-148 in SVN.
It shows thats its hot and that 101-148 saw service with a typical Light Ale Detachment in the Nui Dat lines.

When auctioned it had a Infantry Tac "56" (2RAR) and QM markings. In the SVN photo it has QM markings. After the National Service ended and the Army re-organised, 2 and 4 got linked to become 2/4 (Aug 73).

The shipping detail I have seen so far for 101-148 is: Jeparit RTA 14 November 1971 unloaded (alloc.) 4RAR Townsville.
4RAR(ANZAC) turned off the lights for the 1ATF in late 71 and in early 72 D Coy 4RAR closed up the head shed and embassy in Saigon. That was that.
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: Mick on July 31, 2017, 10:40:40 AM
Fantastic Carzee,

Very nice pick up 👍😎
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: STEVE F on July 31, 2017, 11:23:31 AM
When you get a chance can you see if you have anything on 154-489?

Cheers
Steve
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: Carzee on July 31, 2017, 04:36:10 PM
 :D Hi Steve, yes, bingo, have some document refs on that one.

154-489

RTA from SVN on HMAS Sydney (VTF) 10mar70, with 5RAR.


Shipped out again on the Jeparit 02apr71, listed on Bill of Lading, destination Singapore, out of Sydney - perhaps part of build-up for ANZUK. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANZUK
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: Young Eric on July 31, 2017, 07:05:01 PM
do you have anything on 154 021 ?
Regards
Eric
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: Marlin on July 31, 2017, 08:29:55 PM
101029: RTA Feb 1969 from SVN. In the early 1990s, it was in stock storage in Brisbane.

154954: no indication this one served in SVN from my research. On issue to 1 Signals Regiment during the 1990s.

Mike
Mike you've done a fantastic job. My post certainly stirred up a lot of interest. I'm very excited to find that 101029 is a Vet of SVN. The information you gave ties in well as I have service records dating back to 1970. Do your records indicate which ship 101029 came back on.

Thanks again Jon
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: STDDIVER on July 31, 2017, 08:51:26 PM
 Anything on  - 154-677  or 154-833 please?

STDDIVER

Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: STEVE F on August 02, 2017, 01:52:25 PM
:D Hi Steve, yes, bingo, have some document refs on that one.

154-489

RTA from SVN on HMAS Sydney (VTF) 10mar70, with 5RAR.


Shipped out again on the Jeparit 02apr71, listed on Bill of Lading, destination Singapore, out of Sydney - perhaps part of build-up for ANZUK. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANZUK

Thanks for the info, great to have :)

Cheers
Steve
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: dugite on August 04, 2017, 01:04:44 PM
G'day Mike C

With all this discussion I'm obviously wondering if my 1966 built No.5 173-589 had any SVN record.

The first unit I have recorded for it is 3RAR in 1972. Where it was for the interim 6 years I have no idea.

Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: Diana Alan on August 04, 2017, 10:33:04 PM
We're all asking a lot of Mike C getting info about individual trailers, I'm sure he has lots of other things to do.

I wonder if it would work for him and for us, if those of us who are interested post up a cumulative list of the ARN's of their trailers into a single table and if Mike has time he could then mark down in the table those with a known overseas history and those without.

Personally I am very grateful for any information Mike has given me in the past,  8) but I'm also sure its very time consuming for him.

What do others (particularly Mike C) think?
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: 303Gunner on August 05, 2017, 03:56:42 AM
Good Idea. I was beginning to think he'd opened a bit of a Pandora's Box Trailer with the requests flooding in thick and fast.
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: STDDIVER on August 05, 2017, 12:07:08 PM
Diana, et al, I agree with your comments - it is asking a lot of Mike - what ever makes it comfortable is the right way forwards

STDDIVER
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: Mike C on August 14, 2017, 10:25:41 AM
Pandora's box .... or a can of worms?  Whatever, besides the fact I've been interstate (Montana is very scenic) , I don't gave ready access to any of my post-war databases anymore, as I didn't migrate them forward when I updated to a new harddrive. I still have them, but they are in storage and I have to be going past before I bring them back to the office. The reason is simply that I've moved on from working actively on the post-war era as a result of what I can only describe as 'cyberbullying' over the last few years about aspects of my post-war research, particularly the source documents I've accumulated. There really are some ungrateful bastards in this world, and I for one don't want or need to be associated with them. So, since I can work on other areas of interest that provide just as much satisfaction (this is afterall, supposed to be an enjoyable hobby!) and don't invite the sort of crap I've been subjected to, the post war 'stuff' has been shelved. I'll still answer these sorts of questions, but the answers will only come when I have reason to access that hard drive. I've had it out of late to help with the next article for Richard Farrant's KVE Newsletter  - like Phoenix, a true gentleman of the hobby. OK, off my soap box....

101029: was RTA on AS John Monash.
154021, 154677, 154883, 173589: no indication in my data that any of them served in SVN. Interestingly, there are no records that I've seen that any of the 1735XX saw service in SVN, but maybe Carzee, who is far closer to the records than I am these days, has unearthed something?

Regards

Mike C

     
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: 2short on August 14, 2017, 01:27:37 PM
Pandora's box .... or a can of worms?  Whatever, besides the fact I've been interstate (Montana is very scenic) , I don't gave ready access to any of my post-war databases anymore, as I didn't migrate them forward when I updated to a new harddrive. I still have them, but they are in storage and I have to be going past before I bring them back to the office. The reason is simply that I've moved on from working actively on the post-war era as a result of what I can only describe as 'cyberbullying' over the last few years about aspects of my post-war research, particularly the source documents I've accumulated. There really are some ungrateful bastards in this world, and I for one don't want or need to be associated with them. So, since I can work on other areas of interest that provide just as much satisfaction (this is afterall, supposed to be an enjoyable hobby!) and don't invite the sort of crap I've been subjected to, the post war 'stuff' has been shelved. I'll still answer these sorts of questions, but the answers will only come when I have reason to access that hard drive. I've had it out of late to help with the next article for Richard Farrant's KVE Newsletter  - like Phoenix, a true gentleman of the hobby. OK, off my soap box....
Regards

Mike C

     

Very disappointing to read of your troubles Mike.
Without you and your dedicated research over many years we would not have been able to enjoy this hobby as much as we have. I for one have asked you questions in the past and you have always lent a helping hand, whether here or MLU. Your books are terrific and your knowledge always looked upon as first class.
For that small vocal number that has given you trouble in the past rest assured a bloody big greater number greatly appreciates what you have done.
My two cents.
Regards
Ryan

Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: lucipla on August 14, 2017, 03:30:10 PM
Hi Mike
I am very sorry to read about peoples abusing you , your research and data base is of incalculable value , if people cannot  knolowge that , well they not deserve to be in this site , every one have some knolowge in somethings related to the military world and receiving that info from someone like you  is a privilege and everyone should be respected
Kind regards
Lucipla
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: STDDIVER on August 14, 2017, 04:37:35 PM
Hi Mike, I am echoing Lucipla and Ryan's comments and I support what you have done.  I cannot imagine why a person would would bully another, through cyber or otherwise and I, as well as many others, do not condone any abuse of any kind.  This information and the background you have given explains Diana's earlier comments which at the time she expressed her point of view I did not fully understand but respecting her in every way, now understand far better her comments and why.  This is a totally unexpected side to people and one I find abhorrent.   Please just keep keepin the dream alive in your own way!   

My respects and regards   - Frank

Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: Carzee on August 14, 2017, 08:26:37 PM
Hi Mike, everyone loves Montana on youtube, looks great. And I think everyone here loves your work. Incredible news to me that you have problems with research peers or cyberbullies. Its a nutty world.

With regards to Laurie's 173589, I have plenty of 1736-- and 1737-- etc but only one 1735--, and the one I saw had a last digit that was unreadable in the document.

For the record, if anyone has 173500 to 173509, you may "share" in this shipping detail: Document R553/5/4/41 has a 17350x onboard the Jeparit, RTA 21nov71 and allocation to 2BOD Sydney.
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: Mike C on August 15, 2017, 12:25:13 AM
Interesting, Carzee, that you have the same experience (almost) re the 1735XX series, with only one showing up, but as you say, plenty in surrounding groups.

Thanks Gents, for your thoughts. S**t happens. Life is too short, so treat with ignore and move on.

Best regards to all

Mike

Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: Young Eric on August 30, 2017, 10:54:03 PM
have just brought 2 number 5 trailers, 154 251 & 173 336.
Does any body have any in service pictures or any info on possible SVN use ?
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: dugite on August 30, 2017, 11:26:17 PM
We really recognise ALL your efforts Mike C (not just this No.5 stuff).

To apply pressure or abuse to any researcher, or historian, is truly beyond the pale.

We continue to hope that you can beaver away with your interests with only appreciative recognition being registered.

Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: Carzee on August 31, 2017, 08:32:31 AM
have just brought 2 number 5 trailers, 154 251 & 173 336.
Does any body have any in service pictures or any info on possible SVN use ?

Sorry to say neither of those are on the lists I have to date. The 1733xx series does have 30 to 40 ARNs that went over and all aound your 173336 too, so something may come up later.
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: Young Eric on August 31, 2017, 09:01:29 PM
many thanks for that Carzee.
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: 2short on February 09, 2018, 01:31:48 PM
Does anyone have info on trailer 173-720? It's a fairly rare one.
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: Carzee on February 10, 2018, 06:39:39 AM
Thats your radar workshop trailer.
No info on my lists at the moment.
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: 2short on February 10, 2018, 05:23:14 PM
Thats your radar workshop trailer.
No info on my lists at the moment.

That's the one.
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: 2short on February 14, 2018, 05:32:40 PM
So, what info is known of 154-443?
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: Carzee on February 14, 2018, 08:45:40 PM
I checked and I do have SVN doc notes, 154-443 trailer was attached to 17 Construction Sqn in March & April '69:
awm95-4-4-46.pdf 30mar69 17C-Sqn listed in appendix 1 at the end of the docs.
awm95-4-4-48.pdf 30apr69 17C-Sqn listed in appendix 1 at the end of the docs.
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: 2short on February 14, 2018, 09:09:25 PM
Sweet.
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: stephendavis on February 14, 2018, 09:28:57 PM
Keep up the good work Mike C.
Your the only one that has put out good books and hope you do many more, the 25 pdr, m113 mud and dust. I just wish there were more, and the one on !st Armoured Regiment, would love a book on land rovers in the Australian Army, it would be a big book.
Stephen
My wife says I love military Vehicles more than her. and can not argue with that.
 
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: Young Eric on February 15, 2018, 01:40:08 PM
Any information on number 5 trailers.  154 709 & 173 328.?
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: Carzee on February 15, 2018, 06:41:53 PM
 :( sorry, neither have any doc in my lists.
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: Young Eric on February 15, 2018, 07:44:37 PM
Carzee, Thanks for checking.
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: 2short on February 20, 2018, 06:58:43 PM
I checked and I do have SVN doc notes, 154-443 trailer was attached to 17 Construction Sqn in March & April '69:
awm95-4-4-46.pdf 30mar69 17C-Sqn listed in appendix 1 at the end of the docs.
awm95-4-4-48.pdf 30apr69 17C-Sqn listed in appendix 1 at the end of the docs.

It was originally assigned to the school of sigs in 65.
I wonder if a sig unit took it to Vietnam and it was loaned to 17 construction sqn for several months. In 71 it was back with the school of sigs.
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: Mick on February 20, 2018, 07:45:25 PM
Shorty,

It was probably returned to the vehicle platoon at 32 Supply from the Sch of Sig's, sent to 'nam then returned to the same vehicle platoon on RTA then in turn reissued to the Sch of Sig's.

Just my take ????

Cheers,

Mick
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: 2short on February 20, 2018, 08:45:41 PM
Ok. Now the trolling for pics begins....
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: Mike C on February 22, 2018, 12:28:36 PM
154709 & 173328: neither of these trailers are on my list of those that were deployed to SVN.

154709 was at the School of Signals in the early 1990s, and 173328 was at the School of Infantry in the same period.

Mike C
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: stephendavis on February 22, 2018, 07:43:54 PM
154709 & 173328: neither of these trailers are on my list of those that were deployed to SVN.

154709 was at the School of Signals in the early 1990s, and 173328 was at the School of Infantry in the same period.

Mike C
Hi Mike
can you post the list on here???
Then people can find there own
Thanks
Stephen
Title: Re: Trailers in SVN
Post by: Carzee on June 28, 2018, 04:32:19 PM
At the tail end of this RAAF serviceman's SVN footage is a beach club scene --and a friend is under the front taps of a Number 5 trailer, very likely rinsing off the sea water.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOBPwq5of5w