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Title: ex SVN 170-411 found
Post by: 2short on February 04, 2016, 02:01:32 PM
Was at a clearing sale today and came across this.
Title: Re: ex SVN 170-411 found
Post by: 2short on February 04, 2016, 02:11:14 PM
Originally chassis 126. This vehicle is rust free.
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Post by: 2short on February 04, 2016, 02:13:11 PM
Terrific condition.
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Post by: wfc1 on February 04, 2016, 02:35:10 PM
Looks very similar to the one that I was just outbid on.  Bruce.
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Post by: dodgeguy1942 on February 04, 2016, 04:37:41 PM
Nice truck. How much
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Post by: wfc1 on February 04, 2016, 04:46:52 PM
I can tell you exactly how much, but will be cryptic, 2 and 2thirds of a red one for sale in Bathurst, you may know the truck. Green paint job and name your own price.
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Post by: wfc1 on February 04, 2016, 04:56:51 PM
Sorry the price has changed on the Bathurst truck. I wasn't up to speed, add a few more hundreds. Way too much for my pocket.
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Post by: dodgeguy1942 on February 04, 2016, 05:29:16 PM
Wow that's a lot. Maybe I should buy some green paint
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Post by: FFRMAN on February 04, 2016, 05:49:38 PM
Looks very similar to the one that I was just outbid on.  Bruce.

Small world!  Me too.

This was one of the best original examples you will find. As if sold at army disposal sale today just missing tray sides and hoops/ tarp.

Oh well live to buy another day, might be a trip to Barthurst coming up!

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Post by: dodgeguy1942 on February 04, 2016, 06:22:44 PM
Did anyone have a look around to see if sides were there
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Post by: FFRMAN on February 04, 2016, 06:47:19 PM
Did anyone have a look around to see if sides were there

apparently never with it from auction,
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Post by: wfc1 on February 04, 2016, 08:18:05 PM
Its a pity. I have drop sides, troop seats, bows and tarp that would complete that truck as is. Will have to be patient and see what comes up. Hopefully not at an inflated price. By the time that truck is transported, and all the missing gear is replaced it becomes a very expensive project.   Bruce.

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Post by: dodgeguy1942 on February 04, 2016, 08:35:53 PM
If you buy the red one I will supply the green paint
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Post by: Mick on February 04, 2016, 08:49:11 PM
Hi boys,

And let's not forget RWC  I have a mate who bought a very good example ( a complete truck which you would think have nothing to do ) for around 10 gorilla's and spent another 10 gorillas getting it club registered.


Cheers,

Mick
Title: Re: ex SVN 170-411 found
Post by: 2short on February 04, 2016, 08:49:50 PM
There it is many years ago.
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Post by: FFRMAN on February 04, 2016, 08:53:02 PM
Its a pity. I have drop sides, troop seats, bows and tarp that would complete that truck as is. Will have to be patient and see what comes up. Hopefully not at an inflated price. By the time that truck is transported, and all the missing gear is replaced it becomes a very expensive project.   Bruce.

Yes my thoughts too that's why I had to stop bidding, I had a potential $1500 bill to get it to the farm on top.

But it is a very good truck for sure, seeing it in person confirmed how good it was, quite often photos make them look better this one was better than the photos!

Glad it's going to a good home.

Regards
Scott
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Post by: FFRMAN on February 04, 2016, 09:06:05 PM
There it is many years ago.

SVN? Nice photo

That's where the tray sides and hoops went!
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Post by: 2short on February 04, 2016, 09:38:11 PM
Yep svn. Pic from remlr.

Ironic. All three bidders kept secret about this truck to keep the price down by not attracting a crowd.
They ended up bidding against each other unknowingly.
And the price went up.
Title: Re: ex SVN 170-411 found
Post by: wfc1 on February 04, 2016, 09:49:43 PM
Cryptic messages and questions, enough to give it away to the astute observer as to who was going to bid.   Bruce.
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Post by: zulu delta 534 on February 05, 2016, 06:53:20 AM
If anyone from here purchased it and wants to know a bit about its Vietnam history, I know the driver from 1966-67 extremely well!
The bloke with his head hanging out the cupola was Wayne C. (late) and was my No.2
Regards
Glen
Title: Re: ex SVN 170-411 found
Post by: FFRMAN on February 05, 2016, 08:59:31 AM
So I recon you've got two choices on which vehicle this really is,

original chassis was 4x4 126 this was 170-128 and then had a chassis swap to 4x4 427,REMLR database says

170-128   1964   -   Mk.3   6069B   Truck, Cargo, 2 1/2 Ton, GS, With Winch   AGD282.9683   427   -   12.00x20      NSW. original engine 8227
Original chassis 126 replaced with 427
1 Coy RAASC , Vietnam Convoy Orders 18/6/66. Packet No.2, 1 ATF   08.03.1977

I can't find which ARN originally has 427 chassis

What is the engine number of the truck you bought?



New chassis is 4x4 328 - interesting the RAEME workshop plate has the ARN for the new chassis - so this vehicle maintained the ARN of the chassis - so 170-411 is the chassis and the body is 170-128

usually (but not always) the ARN stays with the vehicle (body) as the chassis is just another part....

so obviously you have a combination of two vehicles - both where in SVN

I think it correct that it is 170-411, as stated on the RAEME workshop plate
Title: Re: ex SVN 170-411 found
Post by: 2short on February 05, 2016, 09:53:13 AM
If anyone from here purchased it and wants to know a bit about its Vietnam history, I know the driver from 1966-67 extremely well!
The bloke with his head hanging out the cupola was Wayne C. (late) and was my No.2
Regards
Glen

Will have to catch up one day then.  I bought it. Would love to see more in service pictures if they exist.
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Post by: 2short on February 05, 2016, 09:55:35 AM
Thanks Scott. I won't know the engine number until I get it home.
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Post by: Bluebell One-eight on February 05, 2016, 09:11:39 PM
Interesting find and good photos that tell a story. First this truck went down the rebuild line at 3 Base in Feb 69, note that it was rebuilt using MK3 cabware not MK4. It also has the MK3 gear lever, most trucks had the lever shortened in service, there was a mod that was group 2 that was to be done  "when there was difficulty shifting gears ". Most trucks were done when they were in for other mods. The long lever was hard on the selector forks. The  Mk 4 had a shorter lever, and the second batch made in 1971 had a modified lever housing with a spacer between the housing and the selector housing proper, the 1968 trucks didn't have the spacer. The truck you have also has MK4 bins and fuel tanks, these may have been done after the rebuild. I've just heard a bloke from up this way was after it too, looks like everyone was keeping their powder dry.
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Post by: Mick on February 05, 2016, 09:20:41 PM
Blue Bell,

That's a F1 steering wheel to isn't it ?

Cheers,

Mick
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Post by: Bluebell One-eight on February 06, 2016, 06:59:50 PM
Blue Bell,

That's a F1 steering wheel to isn't it ?

Cheers,

Mick
Mick you've got me scratching me head, I couldn't remember a difference, and checked bot the Mk 4s and they are the same as 411 and the RPS  says MK 3 & 4 are the same and the Inter part number is the same as 64 AACO, so if you've got any additional info fire away. I think I know the bloke who did a roadworthy on this truck straight after service, I'll ask about the tray hardware (if it was there) John
Title: Re: ex SVN 170-411 found
Post by: 2short on February 06, 2016, 10:48:59 PM
You guys are so well versed into these vehicles.
It makes for excellent reading.

The hunt for a good set of tray sides is on.
Title: Re: ex SVN 170-411 found
Post by: Mick on February 07, 2016, 12:25:22 AM
Hi Bluebell,

Interesting, I'll try and get a pic of the steering wheel of a Mk 3 and we can compare ?  I'm sure you have greater knowledge than me on the subject.

Cheers,

Mick
Title: Re: ex SVN 170-411 found
Post by: Mick on February 08, 2016, 08:01:22 AM
Hi BlueBell,

here are a couple of photo`s definitely a different wheel. My knowledge of the Mk3, MK4`s is limited and i did my basic drivers (109) course driving F1`s so I dont have a great knowledge between the types and differences between each model of inter`s the army had.
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Post by: Murray Mk4 Inter on February 08, 2016, 08:59:48 AM
Our Inter, 170-241 is fitted with the same steering wheel as 170-411.

Murray
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Post by: Bluebell One-eight on February 10, 2016, 09:31:36 PM
Hi BlueBell,

here are a couple of photo`s definitely a different wheel. My knowledge of the Mk3, MK4`s is limited and i did my basic drivers (109) course driving F1`s so I dont have a great knowledge between the types and differences between each model of inter`s the army had.
I've had a look at a few photos and a few of the early trucks have the smoothie wheel fitted. This indicates that it may have been fitted to early ones and the ravages of time have seen a few replaced. The situation is probably similar to the fibreglass mudguards, they were fitted to the first two batches and the third had metal ones. When the f/g guard was damaged it was replaced with the later metal item. Over time the number of trucks with replacements grew and the rebuilt trucks had theirs replaced too. The result is that by the end of their service life only a few trucks had f/g guards fitted. We could probably start a "sticky "thread to detail differences that crept in during production, and whether the change flowed on to trucks already produced. Many people think that all Mk3s were the same but there are differences. The Mk4s had differences even though the numbers produced were much lower, the same thing applies to the 6X6s, some had guttering at the back of the cab some didn't. There were differences in the instruments in the Mk4s of 68 and 71 ( flowed on to F1 & 2 too ) This is info that can be handy to a newcomer who is restoring one of the Inters. Any ideas anyone?
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Post by: zulu delta 534 on February 12, 2016, 10:02:54 PM
Don't have many photos of my old truck as one can't be in two places at the same time, but I did stumble on these two. The top one was taken about 10 miles further on than the one on the bridge in a previous post.
(http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii115/glenpats/Ron%20W%20005_zpsu35dz1og.jpg)

(http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii115/glenpats/Mk%203%20Back%20road_zps0bqg19jt.jpg)

I dare say during the rebuild the A pillar would have been replaced, but on the off chance that it wasn't have a look on the drivers side about knee height for signs of a patched scar/hole.
It had two holes when I left it, but the one in the left door was self inflicted from an from an AD.
Regards
Glen
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Post by: 2short on February 13, 2016, 01:00:33 AM
Impressive.

What is stamped/written in white on the tray dropsides?

The black and white photo shows large damage to the trucks drivers side nose panelwork. Any idea what caused that?
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Post by: zulu delta 534 on February 13, 2016, 08:06:05 AM
Because the tray configuration was changed pretty close to daily, sides and side seating came off pretty regularly so the vehicle ARN was stencilled on the sides so they didn't get mixed up when stored at the Q store.
In the second shot that is more a trick of the light as in the 12 months I was there the only damage to that truck besides the two aforementioned holes was a slight crease to the roof front above the passengers seat caused by slipping into a tree in the wet season. What may look like damage to the drivers mudguard is in fact the step that was built in to all the fibreglass guards in the initial build. The early Mk3 was so much easier to get in and out of because of this step, but it was discontinued in the later metal guards. Below the bonnet is either wet or in a shadow.
This truck used to have a "commandeered" bra screwed to the dash just above the gauges and this was ideal (because of the padding that most Nog ladies used) to firmly secure a packet of smokes in one side and a zippo lighter in the other, on even the roughest of tracks!
Regards
Glen
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Post by: aussiegregmac on February 13, 2016, 02:11:00 PM
Yeah, but when it was time to get dropped off and go home you lose yer smokes.
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Post by: 2short on February 20, 2016, 06:43:58 AM
It's home.
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Post by: Magellan on February 20, 2016, 07:37:21 AM
Ever since the Razorback trip was mooted I've been following the Inter chat, never been interested in 'em before; but now I find them and the chatter v.interesting, esp' the 4x4s. What a great truck they are! They remind me of the 510A 4x4 I drove when in the CFA (and the 1710A with a split diff). Great trucks!

I think I'd like one but could I afford to run it?

Looking fwd to seeing these beauties on the 12th March  :)

Daryl
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Post by: 2short on February 20, 2016, 08:17:13 AM
Tray sides I have bought for it.
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Post by: 2short on February 20, 2016, 08:47:00 AM


I think I'd like one but could I afford to run it?

Daryl

I'm planning on making broom broom sounds while sitting in the cab when my wallet is thin.
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Post by: aussiegregmac on February 20, 2016, 01:38:47 PM
Much cheaper to run than a GMC or a Studie.
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Post by: Magellan on February 20, 2016, 04:12:36 PM
Athe risk of hijacking the thread (I'll make this my last comment on economy) a Ford Blitz I bumped into in 2013 on the Barrier Hwy heading to Birdsville was carrying 580 lts to get from southern 'burbs of Melbourne  :o.

Daryl
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Post by: 2short on February 21, 2016, 12:57:51 PM
Just picked up a NOS canopy for the truck. Been in the blokes garage since 1988. Awesome.
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Post by: 2short on February 21, 2016, 04:56:56 PM
Trial fit of drop sides and Jerry can holders.
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Post by: dkg001 on February 21, 2016, 05:09:01 PM
Looking good, Pat Toole ( ex north east truck wreckers ) had some some side posts for the tray sides, I don't think he had a full set of 4, it may be worth giving him a call. 
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Post by: 2short on February 21, 2016, 05:30:38 PM
Looking good, Pat Toole ( ex north east truck wreckers ) had some some side posts for the tray sides, I don't think he had a full set of 4, it may be worth giving him a call.

Are they a separate item or do they normally come fixed to the troop seat structures on the rear corners?
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Post by: dkg001 on February 21, 2016, 05:58:03 PM
the side support posts are separate to the troop seats, there are two centre posts and two rear posts, which have a chain fitting to secure the tail gate.
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Post by: 2short on February 21, 2016, 06:07:36 PM
Thank you.
Tailgate has had a couple of previous lives.
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Post by: 2short on March 12, 2016, 05:50:07 PM
Purchased a set of original canopy bows today as well as a set of troop seats.
Overall in pretty good nick. Gave one side a sand back to see how it would come up.
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Post by: 2short on March 13, 2016, 10:19:47 PM
Trial fit of seats.
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Post by: mike_k on March 14, 2016, 05:14:32 AM
Looks terrific.

Canopy next?

 8)
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Post by: 2short on March 14, 2016, 08:36:08 AM
Yes. Would like to try it soon.

Having trouble with the air pressure all of a sudden. Buzzing not going off and pressure not building up for the brakes. Has me puzzled.
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Post by: Bluebell One-eight on March 14, 2016, 09:27:02 PM
Yes. Would like to try it soon.

Having trouble with the air pressure all of a sudden. Buzzing not going off and pressure not building up for the brakes. Has me puzzled.
First check the air reservoir drain cock isn't open, if it's closed then make sure the trailer brake taps are "öff" If the pressure rises to 50-55 psi then the emergency ( painted red at the connector) is most likely the culprit. If you have no luck then check the compressor belt is still on. If that's OK then check the airline starting at the compressor for leaks, with the age of the truck corrosion may have attacked the steel and the tube wall may have failed. If you don't have  a copy of the brake service then let me know and I'll send you one. There are other components such as the winch clutch or treadle valve that will cause big leaks but the system will usually build up enough pressure to silence the buzzer while the engine is operating.
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Post by: 2short on April 03, 2016, 04:10:29 PM
Gave it a look over before, and still not building up pressure.
It has to be something simple. Something I'm overlooking.
The trailer brake handle on the steering column. What position should that be in?
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Post by: aussiegregmac on April 03, 2016, 06:20:38 PM
From memory Up for Off.
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Post by: GGG on April 03, 2016, 07:11:06 PM
Up for off is correct. Is the belt driving the compressor? They were inclined to slip when wet. Otherwise compressor problems.
Geoff.
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Post by: Ravvin on April 03, 2016, 08:08:56 PM
Something to try that should point you in the right direction. Undo the rubber inlet hose from the compressor to the air filter.
Start the truck and feel if any air is moving from the opening. If there is air being sucked in, you have a leaking fitting, blown line or open trailer coupling valve somewhere in the system.
If there's no suction, then the issue is in the compressor or the governor.
The service manual says to remove the compressor valve discharge cap nuts and check for excessive carbon. These are the 2 nut looking things on the top of the compressor head. Just take it slow as there are springs under them that try to get out.
If it all looks good in there, I'd bet the governor or the unloader piston is stuck open. Unless you want to remove the whole thing and pull it apart, you could try giving it a good smack with a soft-faced hammer.
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Post by: Acco 4x4 on April 04, 2016, 07:29:20 PM
If there is a leak or an open tap you will hear it. The compressor governor uses pressure to "cut out" the pumping so id put my $$$$ on a stuck unloader valve. Same principle as a diesel locomotive compressor. Mine stuck once, i let it run for a while and gave it a couple of good revs, came good. If its been stuck for a while, it may need a little more attention. Worse case scenario, plumb an air blower or similar from an air compressor (tool/workshop type) to the open tank drain valve and charge the main res with air to check for leaks. Don't exceed the max air pressure of the truck but......
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Post by: john.k on April 15, 2016, 09:40:31 PM
The compressor governors are cheap as dirt.I bought a new one a while back for $15.A common cause of pressure loss is the brake valve,with air going out the exhaust.Simply depress the pedal fully,and the valve will seal,while pressure builds up.For air leaks,soapy water is your friend.Put some in a spray bottle and go around the entire air system.Dont overlook the tractor protection valve inside the rear chassis.Hook up the air system to a full pressure workshop compressor,pressure will often cause the problem component to seal.Unfortunately,kits for the Mk3 type brake valve are obsolete.The Mk4 treadle valve is available.Regards John.