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REMLR General => REMLR - General Chatter => Topic started by: Phoenix on November 25, 2014, 12:31:39 PM

Title: Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement with regard to reproduction items
Post by: Phoenix on November 25, 2014, 12:31:39 PM
In the last 2 years there has been a significant interest in the Land Rover 110 Perentie vehicles as the AFM auctions have kicked off, and from that is naturally an influx of new people to REMLR as well as an increased demand for all manner of parts relating to these vehicles from Canopies down to label stickers. Late yesterday the REMLR committee received a statement from Jaguar Land Rover with relation to the reproduction of items. The statement is included below in it's entirety as the Committee decided that it was in the interest of all enthusiasts to understand the committee's position on this.

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Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement
It has come to the attention of Jaguar Land Rover Australia that there has been some discussion on REMLR forums about the reproduction of Australian Army Land Rover components by parties not licensed, authorised or otherwise associated with Jaguar Land Rover Australia.

However Jaguar Land Rover Australia is still supporting the Australian Army Land Rover Fleet of Vehicles and will continue to do so for several years yet. Jaguar Land Rover Australia is still sourcing and re-sourcing components both globally and locally in support of this fleet on an "as needs" basis.

Jaguar Land Rover Australia franchised outlets have access to all components in stock. If an item is not on the shelf, it may be simply out of stock and therefore subject to Back Order. Alternatively the component may require sourcing. In either case there may be minimum order quantity requirements on Jaguar Land Rover Australia, which may be passed on to consumers in the case of unique items. Jaguar Land Rover Australia and its franchised outlets are happy to speak to members of the passionate and dedicated Land Rover enthusiast community to come to a solution with respect to their Australian Army Land Rover component needs.

It is also important to note that the intellectual property rights in these components, other than proprietary items, is owned by Jaguar Land Rover UK. These intellectual property rights may include patent rights, trade marks and design rights.

Additionally, the representation and sale of copied components as "original" or "genuine" will constitute misleading or deceptive conduct and a false representation.  Such conduct will be in breach of various provisions of the Australian Consumer Law.

Jaguar Land Rover Australia reserves its right to take legal action to protect its rights in respect of these components.

JRA is certainly not trying to make out life difficult, and in fact provide information to enthusiasts where they can. However most of the fleet is still in service and under contract, and it is understandable that they want to protect their intellectual property.

REMLR Committee Position and Response
The REMLR Committee supports the Right of Land Rover to protect it's Intellectual Property, however the Committee and the REMLR community on the whole certainly do not want to be the subject of legal action.  As such REMLR Inc will not allow facilitation of, nor support, any activity on the REMLR Websites and Forums that will breech any laws in relation to these matters. 

We understand that we can not control such things outside of REMLR, but discussion on such matters whether it be the sale of these items or production of them etc will not be allowed on these forums and will summarily be deleted by the administrators.

I will leave this thread open for discussion of this matter, but if there are any problems, aggression or poor behavior, I will simply remove the posts and leave this first message.
Title: Re: Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement with regard to reproduction items
Post by: kman on November 25, 2014, 01:39:26 PM
Fair enough and I support the committee's position.

I thought the comment by JLR that they continue to support the army land rover fleet and "will continue to do so for several years yet" was particularly interesting. So auctions are far from over...

Howard
Title: Re: Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement with regard to reproduction items
Post by: Barefoot dave on November 25, 2014, 01:56:44 PM
Fair comment and understandable.
Howard, I found some meanings interesting as well.
Title: Re: Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement with regard to reproduction items
Post by: aussiegregmac on November 25, 2014, 01:57:09 PM
Totally support the purpose of both Statements.  Not something that hasn't been mentioned a few times over the last two years.
Greg Mac.
Title: Re: Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement with regard to reproduction items
Post by: Aussie Jeepster on November 25, 2014, 02:01:48 PM
If, as Land Rover say, the parts are still available, then I agree entirely with what they say.
It only becomes an issue if the parts are discontinued, but on the the basis of what they are saying with ongoing support, I guess it's not going to be an issue for some time.
Title: Re: Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement with regard to reproduction items
Post by: Diana Alan on November 25, 2014, 02:40:32 PM
As with all genuine parts you have to pay for the quality and fit.  So it is probably not helpful to compare some brands of generic Land Rover parts made by some Brit companies to the genuine parts supplied through the LRA spare parts chain.

Other parts like components for the Isri seats are still available from the Land Rover parts chain but not from Isri themselves, even though Isri still supply LRA.

I too support REMLR committee decision in this matter.
Title: Re: Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement with regard to reproduction items
Post by: juddy on November 25, 2014, 02:57:21 PM
I wholly agree with Land Rover, I said that a few weeks ago when we had the thread on people wanting to copy decals.  And people copying Locker keys as clearly advertised on eBay.

I 100% support the Committee on this.

Title: Re: Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement with regard to reproduction items
Post by: kman on November 25, 2014, 03:48:16 PM
As with all genuine parts you have to pay for the quality and fit.  So it is probably not helpful to compare some brands of generic Land Rover parts made by some Brit companies to the genuine parts supplied through the LRA spare parts chain.

Typical is the 3rd party Zenith carbie kit I bought a couple of days back for my S2A. The gaskets had been cut completely wrong and there was no way they would fit: the main jet thread was wrong, too...

Howard
Title: Re: Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement with regard to reproduction items
Post by: 303Gunner on November 26, 2014, 12:08:28 AM
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Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement
Jaguar Land Rover Australia franchised outlets have access to all components in stock. If an item is not on the shelf, it may be simply out of stock and therefore subject to Back Order.

Jaguar Land Rover Australia and its franchised outlets are happy to speak to members of the passionate and dedicated Land Rover enthusiast community to come to a solution with respect to their Australian Army Land Rover component needs.
This is a lovely sentiment, but I wonder if it has been passed on to the "Franchised Outlets"?

On no less than five (5!) separate occaisions I have made parts inquiries to two separate Land Rover Dealerships regarding parts for my 6x6. On each attempt, when I am asked to provide a VIN or model, they FLATLY refuse to assist saying that they cannot supply parts for the Military vehicles, despite a VIN not being required to ID the part as I am requesting a specific part and provide the LR part number. At no time was I told that the part is out of stock or required to sourced in as I never even get the chance to quote the part number. I am shut out as soon as I reveal it is for a Perentie.

My parts purchasing has by necessity been through aftermarket or second hand, or "favours". A few items I simply have not been able to obtain.

But it's nice to know they are happy to talk to us, hey?  :D
Title: Re: Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement with regard to reproduction items
Post by: THE BOOGER on November 26, 2014, 12:13:16 AM
May be print out the LR letter and take a copy to the dealers you speak too :)
Title: Re: Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement with regard to reproduction items
Post by: AGAS 5 on November 26, 2014, 06:22:51 AM
A good point by 303gunner. Sentiments are great, but unless they are backed by their actions wrt to supply (at a reasonable price) then the supply of non-genuine/licensed parts & reproductions will continue.... and probably grow.

Where there is a demand.....

Pete
Title: Re: Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement with regard to reproduction items
Post by: juddy on November 26, 2014, 07:57:04 AM
It would be very Interesting to see how many people on here do or are willing to pay Genuine Land Rover prices.  You only have to look a on-line sales and see the huge gap between Genuine and Aftermarket.

Purchasing non Genuine licenced parts is fine, even the likes of Britpart/Allmakes/bearmach supply both there own manufactured parts and Genuine Land Rover Parts.

We are very lucky that the likes of Robco can now sell to the public, as Land Rover sell and have stock of the canvas, at ++++++ the price, would you support Land Rover and purchase a canvas for $1200 more?

As for dealers not wanting to get Involved with army Land rovers, I can see that its a pain in the back side for them, and its at their descretion to sell the parts or not, the perentie is out of production just like the Series 3, same same they would struggle to get parts for one of those. 

On the flip side of this once the Perentie leaves service for good, it would be nice for Land Rover to offer what spares they have left at lower prices, even if thats to trade who can bulk buy and pass on the discounts.  Something to look into for the future.

Title: Re: Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement with regard to reproduction items
Post by: circlework on November 26, 2014, 10:13:27 AM
*snip* ...even if thats to trade who can bulk buy and pass on the discounts... *snip*

There's an oxymoron if I've ever heard one.    :-X
Title: Re: Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement with regard to reproduction items
Post by: Phoenix on November 26, 2014, 03:03:24 PM
This is a lovely sentiment, but I wonder if it has been passed on to the "Franchised Outlets"?

On no less than five (5!) separate occaisions I have made parts inquiries to two separate Land Rover Dealerships regarding parts for my 6x6. On each attempt, when I am asked to provide a VIN or model, they FLATLY refuse to assist saying that they cannot supply parts for the Military vehicles, despite a VIN not being required to ID the part as I am requesting a specific part and provide the LR part number. At no time was I told that the part is out of stock or required to sourced in as I never even get the chance to quote the part number. I am shut out as soon as I reveal it is for a Perentie.

My parts purchasing has by necessity been through aftermarket or second hand, or "favours". A few items I simply have not been able to obtain.

But it's nice to know they are happy to talk to us, hey?  :D

303 Gunner, can you let me know (here or via PM) which dealers so that the information can be passed on and the situation rectified please?

Before the first auction the dealers were advised that they would see an upswing in the demand for parts for the Perentie and Bushranger vehicles, and that if stock was on hand that it was available to be ordered and sold.  But if there was no stock on hand, that there may be a minimum order quantity (as with any manufacture run for any item).

As to prices, for genuine items i've found LR to be cheaper often than other outlets selling the parts, Or very close to the mark. aftermarket parts are of course a completely different game.
Title: Re: Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement with regard to reproduction items
Post by: Mick_Marsh on November 26, 2014, 04:46:35 PM
That's really good to hear.
Now, perhaps JLRA should advise their dealers.
All the parts I have wanted, the dealers I have approached have told me the parts were listed as NLA. One dealer. their spare parts department even said to me "We wouldn't be able to get anything for something that old."

Maybe, you could get JLRA to make available to REMLR the PDF's of the spare parts catalogs so we could easily find and order the parts with their part numbers.
Title: Re: Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement with regard to reproduction items
Post by: Mick_Marsh on November 26, 2014, 11:29:56 PM
Lots of luck getting JRA to do anything!  :o

Jaguar Rover Australia hasn't existed since the 1990s,  ;D

Now if you're talking about Jaguar Land Rover Australia, thats a whole other matter.  8)
Fixed
Title: Re: Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement with regard to reproduction items
Post by: circlework on November 27, 2014, 09:53:59 AM

Maybe, you could get JLRA to make available to REMLR the PDF's of the spare parts catalogs so we could easily find and order the parts with their part numbers.

Mick,  Isn't that info already available in the RPS located in the Library on the REMLR site?   Or am I barking up the wrong tree, as usual?


Title: Re: Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement with regard to reproduction items
Post by: Diana Alan on November 27, 2014, 11:50:49 AM
I was in a specialist repairer/parts supplier today asking about key barrels for 48-852.  The spare parts manager suggested that they too have been having problems with Perentie parts.

According to this bloke, LRA previously maintained a database of the ARN linked to parts on the particular vehicle, so when the repairer wanted to acquire a part for a vehicle they merely punched in the ARN and the could identify the correct part.  Apparently since the disposals commenced the database has been closed so its back to the original microfiche and hopefully identify the correct part.  It seems to ba a case of Not Happy Jan at least for this parts manager.
Title: Re: Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement with regard to reproduction items
Post by: Dervish on November 27, 2014, 12:19:49 PM
It seems to ba a case of Not Happy Jan at least for this parts manager.

I reckon I know exactly who you're talking about; I got a kick out of watching the old microfiche at work though. I got quite a good look at it too, by the time we'd found what we needed.
Title: Re: Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement with regard to reproduction items
Post by: Aussie Jeepster on November 27, 2014, 01:48:30 PM
I just called Solitaire Land rover in Adelaide and got a really nice guy on the phone. I quoted him HYG4063, which is the red/clear transfer sticker, and was told there are 66 in stock in head office, and the price is $4.63. Its just one quick enquiry, but absolutely no worries with it. I only used the sticker as I found it on ebay and it had a part number on it, so can't comment on other bits
Title: Re: Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement with regard to reproduction items
Post by: Hot Rover on November 27, 2014, 02:09:57 PM
Hi All
If you get the RPS off the RRMLR site and find the part you want and take the part number to your friendly Land Rover Dealer and ask them for a price or availability for the part they can through the miracles of modern science and engineering look up the LR data base and tell you what quantity are in stock and the cost the parts are. And guess what if you decide to purchase the parts you enquired about you will have them delivered to you within a week. No smoke and mirror are used. This is how the eBay sellers are doing it and making a tidy profit as well, so after you try this you will all realise the markup of the eBay sellers.
Cheers
Rod
Title: Re: Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement with regard to reproduction items
Post by: Philthy on November 27, 2014, 09:03:52 PM
Hi All
If you get the RPS off the RRMLR site and find the part you want and take the part number to your friendly Land Rover Dealer and ask them for a price or availability for the part they can through the miracles of modern science and engineering look up the LR data base and tell you what quantity are in stock and the cost the parts are. And guess what if you decide to purchase the parts you enquired about you will have them delivered to you within a week. No smoke and mirror are used. This is how the eBay sellers are doing it and making a tidy profit as well, so after you try this you will all realise the markup of the eBay sellers.
Cheers
Rod

Amen; Got a HYG1735 Shipping Plate for $16.20 @ my local  :D
Title: Re: Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement with regard to reproduction items
Post by: Aussie Jeepster on November 28, 2014, 01:02:45 PM
I submitted quite a long list of part numbers for decals/stickers etc to Solitaire in Adelaide last night and got an email with all the prices this morning. Spoke to the parts guy and he is genuinely enthusiastic about supplying them (and at a lower price than those on fleabay).
Title: Re: Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement with regard to reproduction items
Post by: Aussie Jeepster on November 28, 2014, 09:48:21 PM
Wow, what a great bunch of prices!
502951 $6.28, MRC7253 $15.74, AYG9855 $13.60, AYG9788 $6.72, HYG493 $6.39, HYG2050 $34.97, HYG1764 $13.90, PRC8252 $8.80, MXC6401 $32.14, HYJ0122 $13.90.
Title: Re: Gobsmacked with Land Rover Australia parts prices
Post by: Diana Alan on December 11, 2014, 11:22:39 AM
Am gobsmaked today.

Ordered in the interior light switch for 48-852 because the one fitted is almost impossible to turn off.  Didn't check the prices because I have found over the years that getting second hand switches are usually false economy.

Checked the RPS on the REMLR website  Land Rover Part No RRC4865, two days later my Land Rover specialist calls to tell me the parts are in (there were a few other perentie items as well).  All the parts had to be ordered in from LRA.

RRC4865 SWITCH Suggested list: $231.44  My price (trade) $212.30   

- Unbelievable its a plastic switch, there is no paladium inserts, no diamond chips, no titanium housing, just plastic, a bit of brass and probably a spring.  Would be popped out of a repetition moulding machine by the thousands at a few cents each.

How can Land Rover justify that price!
Title: Re: Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement with regard to reproduction items
Post by: Richard Farrant on December 11, 2014, 11:39:54 AM
Diana,
Rimmer Bros in UK have that genuine LR switch listed at $112, still a bit stiff though.
Title: Re: Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement with regard to reproduction items
Post by: Diana Alan on December 11, 2014, 11:51:43 AM
The Ozzie dollar is dropping back to new lows against the Pound so it makes UK purchases more expensive, also I recently purchased parts (Genuine Defender mudflaps) from Rimmer Bros and it was the worst online transaction experience I have encountered in many years.  Then they double billed me (different prices for the same transaction).

As for the switch in my hand, I have been a customer of this Land Rover specialist since 1986 and they had to purchase it in from LRA for me, if I returned it they would be lumped with a part they may never sell.  I won't do that to them as they have been good to me over many years.
Title: Re: Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement with regard to reproduction items
Post by: Aussie Jeepster on December 11, 2014, 01:35:25 PM
i got one of those switches at a local LR wrecker for $5  :-[
Title: Re: Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement with regard to reproduction items
Post by: Diana Alan on December 11, 2014, 02:02:07 PM
i got one of those switches at a local LR wrecker for $5  :-[
Yes you may have, and you may get years of service out of it.

On the other hand, over the years, I have found second hand switches off modern Land Rovers and Range Rovers are frequently worn out already.  Add to that the time and inconvenience of refitting several times, I came to the decision and have been only using new genuine (when available) switches over the last decade (my current RRc is 30 years old and in my hands since new).

With the cost of this one I may have to reconsider.

IMHO, the retail cost should reflect the cost of manufacture and a surcharge for shipping and storage so a price around $20 to $30 would seem reasonable, prices above that to around $50 or $60 would be gouging but it would not stop me buying, however over $200 for a plastic switch is extortion!  >:(
Title: Re: Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement with regard to reproduction items
Post by: Phoenix on December 11, 2014, 04:25:00 PM
The other thing to remember though is that it is a part that is very old as well, how many dealers of any type have switches and parts for vehicles manufactured in the late 80's / early 90's ??  Probably not too many. 

I know replacing the indicator stalk in my discovery is a $270 odd dollar job if I get it from the wrong place, or a $80 from the right place for a lucas one instead of land rover, but that is a balance I am happy to make, our tastes and opinion's (and wallets) all differ.

Although if your guy bout it from land rover, he would have a margin on it, as would the dealer, as would Rover, as would the manufacturer (if it isn't land rover).  So there are a few margins there.
Title: Re: Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement with regard to reproduction items
Post by: Diana Alan on December 11, 2014, 04:46:24 PM
Hi Phoenix

While I'm not familiar with the Disco indicator stalk, I am imagining it is relatively complex. 3 position and a return mechanism for the indicators, 3 positions for high low beam and instantaneous to flash the high beam and probably also horn button so a 7 function switch in 3 planes.

The interior lamp switch is a simple two position, single pole rocker switch.  As far as I am aware it was used on all 90's 110, 120, plus Defender 90, 110 and 130 for at least a decade or fifteen years.  There is little technology in it, no circuit boards, not even an indicator lamp, it is a simple switch that can't justify the price. 

If my Land Rover specialist was making a huge margin on the parts, why are none of the other 7 perentie parts not more expensive than $17.00.

Diana
Title: Re: Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement with regard to reproduction items
Post by: Carzee on December 11, 2014, 05:22:32 PM
In the same vein, the 110's rear diff light is pricey:

rear diff light: Housing BYG9971 $263.50, Light Insert 'Bullet LED' BYG9976 $88
Title: Re: Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement with regard to reproduction items
Post by: juddy on December 11, 2014, 06:04:35 PM
I might be wrong here but RRC4865 is only a Genuine Land Rover Part.



And how can land rover justify that price? They can end of.  No one is forcing you or me or anyone to buy from them.  But shop around and you can get things cheaper.
Title: Re: Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement with regard to reproduction items
Post by: Diana Alan on December 11, 2014, 06:07:20 PM
Usually I have asked for quotes or they have rung me when they were expensive bits, this time we both failed on the procedure!  :'(
Title: Re: Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement with regard to reproduction items
Post by: Minikeg on December 11, 2014, 06:26:36 PM
The other thing to remember though is that it is a part that is very old as well, how many dealers of any type have switches and parts for vehicles manufactured in the late 80's / early 90's ??  Probably not too many. 


Jump in a 2014 defender and tell me the door handles, locks, inserts, switches, visors, and many more interior plastics arent from the exact same moulds/parts bins as a 1990 range rover...

So that plastic switch may still be inside a modern machine..
Title: Re: Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement with regard to reproduction items
Post by: juddy on December 11, 2014, 06:38:34 PM
What's strange is parts numbers get changed superseded and then the dealers say no longer available, when it is.
Title: Re: Gobsmacked with Land Rover Australia parts prices
Post by: Philthy on December 11, 2014, 09:27:07 PM
Am gobsmaked today.

Ordered in the interior light switch for 48-852 because the one fitted is almost impossible to turn off.  Didn't check the prices because I have found over the years that getting second hand switches are usually false economy.

Checked the RPS on the REMLR website  Land Rover Part No RRC4865, two days later my Land Rover specialist calls to tell me the parts are in (there were a few other perentie items as well).  All the parts had to be ordered in from LRA.

RRC4865 SWITCH Suggested list: $231.44  My price (trade) $212.30   

- Unbelievable its a plastic switch, there is no paladium inserts, no diamond chips, no titanium housing, just plastic, a bit of brass and probably a spring.  Would be popped out of a repetition moulding machine by the thousands at a few cents each.

How can Land Rover justify that price!


This might turn you on  8) its $33.00

But be quick man!

(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxNTEx/z/AZYAAOxyQfJThVJB/$_57.JPG)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxMzM1/z/bcYAAMXQ3kNThVJR/$_57.JPG)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Land-Rover-Defender-Interior-Light-Switch-PRC7371-/161319032198?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item258f5d1586&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Land-Rover-Defender-Interior-Light-Switch-PRC7371-/161319032198?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item258f5d1586&vxp=mtr)
Title: Re: Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement with regard to reproduction items
Post by: Restless Rover on February 03, 2015, 11:46:32 AM
This thread makes me smile.
I once had a Land Rover Parts business. Most items had from 20% to 60% mark-up over the wholesale price, some 100%. I never sold them at RRP but about 15 to 20%. When some garage or someone claiming to be from "Trade" wanted a discount I simply put the RRP on the receipt and then was able to give huge discounts by selling to them at my normal price. Same price for everyone.
As for copying Land Rover Canopies. That makes me laugh!
You are all at a disadvantage because you want the exact article that was issued so that your vehicle looks authentic.
That means that you want a canopy that shrinks, doesn't have the fixings in the right places and has webbing that wont slide through the slider buckles, so you can't tighten straps effectively. There are other little design faults also. It amazes me that the army didn't want these issues fixed. From the way I have seen the Perentie canopies fitted I guess no-one knew exactly how they should be anyway. The design is 50 years old from the days when they didn't have good zips!
Don't be fooled into buying "Genuine." If it looks basically the same, fits and works, it is the right part for the job. The fact that you have paid a fortune for it and supported L-R A. wont make it go any better.
Restless.
Title: Re: Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement with regard to reproduction items
Post by: THE BOOGER on February 03, 2015, 12:06:14 PM
Restless are you saying land rover canopies don't fit ;D

I think JLR had more commercial quantities and current items in mind when they sent the original letter :)
Title: Re: Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement with regard to reproduction items
Post by: juddy on February 03, 2015, 02:47:19 PM
This thread makes me smile.

Don't be fooled into buying "Genuine." If it looks basically the same, fits and works, it is the right part for the job. The fact that you have paid a fortune for it and supported L-R A. wont make it go any better.
Restless.

This thread is not about telling people not to purchase genuine parts, its about Land Rover having a very big Issue with people copying there products. 
Title: Re: Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement with regard to reproduction items
Post by: Diana Alan on February 03, 2015, 05:42:25 PM
This thread makes me smile.
...<snip>
So the $1,991.17 quote for AYG464 should make you burst into a terminal fit of laughter!  ;D

AYG 464 is the bracket that bolts to the Isuzu 4BD1 block, not the swing arm and not the pulley, just a bit of cast iron probably weighing about 10 grams
Title: Re: Jaguar Land Rover Australia Statement with regard to reproduction items
Post by: juddy on February 03, 2015, 07:11:00 PM
The prices have nothing to do with this Thread.

And I agree some of the Perentie parts are very expensive, but no one is forcing you to buy them, and little old Jo in is shed can happily copy a part and do what he wants with it as long as he's not selling to the public.

I would hope that LRA lower there prices once the last Perentie leaves service, maybe they will send whats left to scrap who knows....