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Title: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: Phoenix on May 20, 2014, 12:21:33 PM
A couple of people have asked me about aftermarket wheels on Perentie vehicles, whether it be as replacements or as upgrades for a runabout and I came by some information regarding the rims in relation to the development of the 110 and 6x6 fleet.

Naturally, a plethora of rimes from Series vehicles, through to normal 110, discovery and range rovers will fit the Perentie/bushranger fleet of 110's.  Even some UK and wolf rims ara available if you like the looks of them, however these are all certainly a case of user beware and I will explain why.

The wheels manufactured by ROH in Australia for the Perentie/Bushranger fleet are actually somewhat heavier than their series or 110 counterparts from the UK, and are made of a higher quality material.  During the development of the Perentie it was found that standard UK rims when used on the Perentie resulted in significant cracking of the rim.  I can only imaging the horrifying outcome should a wheel on any vehicle completely failed at speed.   So these rims were never specified for use on the 110 Perentie, and ROH in Australia got the nod to make the stronger rims as a result.  Even the Wolf Rims I am told have not been certified for fitment to the Perentie fleet.

So while all of these rims will fit on your vehicle, do so with at least some knowledge of the risks involved.  Also worth considering is that most insurance companies would be likely to nullify your policy in the event of an accident if the vehicle is fitted with rims that were not approved for use on that vehicle.

That is my public service announcement for the day, and something that will in time find it's way on the the relevant page on the REMLR main website.

Richard

Update: part numbers below are not approved for use on Perentie and Bushranger vehicles.
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: Barefoot dave on May 20, 2014, 01:23:29 PM
Thanks richard.
The hd rims should be up to the task.
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: juddy on May 20, 2014, 02:54:00 PM
Very Interesting.

Were the WOLF rims ever tested here? Regardless if they were or not they fall well within the weight limits for a 4x4 Perentie.

Interesting that the ROH made standard Perentie rims are made to a higher spec than the UK Series and 110 ones.  Does this information relate to civilian and or  cover the UK military standard Land Rover Steel Rim?

What people should check for is the manufactures load rating when buying rims, be these alloy or steel. I would never buy anything less than this, and maybe it would be helpful from a safety point of view to have something on the main site stating what the technical specs are on the ROH rim, and what other rims are suitable alternatives.

I dont think its fair to say just because a rim has not been tested on a Perentie it is unsafe.

For the record the Genuine Wolf Rim, also know as a Land Rover HD Rim is  rated to 2200KG at each corner, so with 4 wheels fitted, your Land Rover could weight around 8.8 Tonnes (8800KG or 19400 lb).

Then theres The 130 Wheel Rim. Part Number ANR1534 6.5J: Tubeless. This is a HD rim used on the Snatch/Rapier/130/127 MOD Land Rovers






Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: pvp89 on May 20, 2014, 03:54:33 PM
Re: Wolf rims - At least one (non-Perentie) vehicle had them:

(http://www.remlr.com/photos/pics9/wolf.jpg)
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: juddy on May 20, 2014, 04:06:30 PM
Thats the wolf that came here.

Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: juddy on May 20, 2014, 07:53:53 PM
Did this Wolf arrive in a C130?
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: 303Gunner on May 20, 2014, 08:18:10 PM
Then theres The 130 Wheel Rim. Part Number ANR1534 6.5J: Tubeless. This is a HD rim used on the Snatch/Rapier/130/127 MOD Land Rovers.
ANR1534 is a TUBED rim, it does not have the safety bead to run tubeless.
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: juddy on May 20, 2014, 08:31:44 PM
Disagree

I mean that in a nice way. by the way
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: juddy on May 20, 2014, 08:38:21 PM
You could also go for ANR1534PM

This is also a FC 2b rim
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: Dervish on May 21, 2014, 10:52:51 AM
From memory, early 130s came with ANR1534, which is a tubed rim that looks like a standard 110 wheel with wider rim. Later 130s came with the Wolf-like ANR5593, which is also a tubed rim. I've lost track now but perhaps the newer 130s come with the tubeless ANR4583s - i.e. Wolfs? From what I understand, "PM" in the part number just means that it's finished in primer when supplied, as opposed to white paint.

People do run ANR1534s with tubeless tyres, but as 303 has said - no bead. I wouldn't risk it.
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: juddy on May 21, 2014, 01:00:34 PM
My 130 came with tubeless HD Rims.  LRA have now changed it again to Tubed Rims. both are still a option.

The wolfs run the HD rims with runflats too
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: Sixty on May 21, 2014, 07:03:46 PM
To add further info to the original post.....
L/R did not accept/permit the ROH manufactured Rover rims fitted to 750 & 1250kg trailers to be fitted to ADF 110's. Sposedly not manufactured to the same specs.....
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: 303Gunner on May 21, 2014, 07:56:04 PM
Very Interesting.

For the record the Genuine Wolf Rim, also know as a Land Rover HD Rim is  rated to 2200KG at each corner, so with 4 wheels fitted, your Land Rover could weight around 8.8 Tonnes (8800KG or 19400 lb).

Then theres The 130 Wheel Rim. Part Number ANR1534 6.5J: Tubeless. This is a HD rim used on the Snatch/Rapier/130/127 MOD Land Rovers
ANR1534/ ANR1534PM is stamped 6.5L, not J. It does not have the safety bead and is for use with tubes.
ANR5593, although stamped 6.5J also does not have a safety bead, but it is clearly stamped "Tubed"

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t271/303gunner/IMG_6150.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t271/303gunner/IMG_6151.jpg)

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t271/303gunner/IMG_6149-1.jpg)

The only HD rim with safety beads to run tubeless is the real "Wolf" rim, ANR4583:

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t271/303gunner/ANR4583.jpg)

If you have any pictures that show otherwise Juddy, also in the nicest way, please share them.
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: 303Gunner on May 21, 2014, 08:00:00 PM
And Phoenix, I hope this is not a critical issue, as I have bought 9 ANR1534 rims and BFG 255/85 (with tubes) for the 6x6!

(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t271/303gunner/IMG_6153-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: juddy on May 21, 2014, 08:57:55 PM
To add further info to the original post.....
L/R did not accept/permit the ROH manufactured Rover rims fitted to 750 & 1250kg trailers to be fitted to ADF 110's. Sposedly not manufactured to the same specs.....

What did they fit then?
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: juddy on May 21, 2014, 09:00:34 PM
I have 2 sets of those green wolf rims. I think thee the same as the civi ones.

I think I am rimmed out!

But the Wolf Rim is still more than suited for our Perenties.
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: 303Gunner on May 21, 2014, 09:35:32 PM
I have 2 sets of those green wolf rims. I think they're the same as the civi ones.
All ANR4583 are the same, no matter the colour.
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: Phoenix on May 22, 2014, 10:28:25 AM
Weight is only a part of the picture Juddy, you have to remember that the Isuzu motor also produces a lot more vibration than any land rover motor which I am sure would be part of the issue. 

I know that hte wonf was certainly tested by the australian army (photos and information here http://remlr.com/perentie_conversions_and_comparisons.html ) .

However I am no engineer to comment on one's suitability over another, simply passing on information that I thought was important.  That said, in civilian life few of us would run at full weight in off road conditions where the most force is likely to be applied.

I have had (famously) a wheel fall off my series 3 at slow speed, and a tyre fail at high speed, and it frightens me to think what may happen having a wheel fail at speed.

Juddy, the LR like rims for trailers mentioned before are just for the trailers, not for the vehicles themselves.  Interchangable yes, for long term use, not recommended.
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: Mick_Marsh on May 22, 2014, 05:47:08 PM
I shall post up my trailer wheel picture again.
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w406/mick_marsh_AULRO/34-249/DSC_4042.jpg) (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/mick_marsh_AULRO/media/34-249/DSC_4042.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: juddy on May 22, 2014, 07:18:23 PM
I would be hesitant to fit these rims

http://remlr.com/forum/index.php?topic=2194.0;topicseen
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: Sixty on May 22, 2014, 08:08:36 PM
To add further info to the original post.....
L/R did not accept/permit the ROH manufactured Rover rims fitted to 750 & 1250kg trailers to be fitted to ADF 110's. Sposedly not manufactured to the same specs.....

What did they fit then?

 ???

L/R only permit AYG 8108 (ROH) rims to be fitted to ADF 110 Perenties.
Haulmark fitted an 'identical' rim to its Defence supplied 750 & 1250kg trls.  ;)
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: juddy on May 23, 2014, 09:52:05 AM
Land rover no longer sell the ayg 8108 rim and have zero au stock.

So no ones going to be able to buy them anyway

Closest thing is a wolf/hd defender rim
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: FFRMAN on May 23, 2014, 01:40:02 PM

 
L/R only permit AYG 8108 (ROH) rims to be fitted to ADF 110 Perenties.
Haulmark fitted an 'identical' rim to its Defence supplied 750 & 1250kg trls.  ;)
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What was the part number for the rims on Haulmark trailers??

When the No5's had the rims swapped to perentie rims was that AYG8108 rims??? and thus interchangable with the vehicle??

cheers
Scott
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: 303Gunner on May 23, 2014, 08:17:43 PM
All of my No5s have ROH Australia AYG8108 rims. I have seen some of the Haulmark trailers at auction with rims stencilled "For trailer use only", as well as ROH rims. Wish I'd known, I would have paid closer attention to the stencilled rims.
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: Phoenix on May 23, 2014, 09:59:55 PM
Land Rover most certainly do still sell the AYG8108, they are just out of stock for the moment with some expected in soon.  I imagine any time the army makes an order of however many undered they get at a time they probably clean out the system pretty well of all stock!
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: juddy on May 25, 2014, 08:40:57 AM
Thats good then, not what they hold me.  Can only wait and see then...
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: juddy on June 07, 2014, 07:55:40 PM
The RRP might put some of compared to a HD 130 Rim...
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: Uncle Ho on July 04, 2014, 07:13:10 PM
G'day Folks  :)

Just a little note,if fitting new tyres and fitting tubes,remove the little passed/OK stickers from inside the tyre, as they will rub through the tube if left in,with the resulting blowout,we discovered this when travelling to Cooma from Qld in 2008,got good Jan! those ribbed rims as Mick Marsh posted up are/were Series 3 rims,and unsuitable for 110's

cheers
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: Minikeg on July 04, 2014, 08:59:26 PM
remove the little passed/OK stickers from inside the tyre, as they will rub through the tube if left in

true story

The same goes for wheel weights... this happened to me, something like 6 pinholes surrounded this when it let me down

(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa81/minikeg/IMAG2153_sml.jpg)
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: circlework on July 05, 2014, 08:34:51 PM
And I always thought the ROH  / Land Rover deal was to increase the local content in line with Commonwealth Gov't Regs, i.e. 50%?
I wasn't aware it had anything to do with DoD.
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: Diana Alan on July 06, 2014, 12:08:33 AM
To add further info to the original post.....
L/R did not accept/permit the ROH manufactured Rover rims fitted to 750 & 1250kg trailers to be fitted to ADF 110's. Sposedly not manufactured to the same specs.....

What did they fit then?

 ???

L/R only permit AYG 8108 (ROH) rims to be fitted to ADF 110 Perenties.
Haulmark fitted an 'identical' rim to its Defence supplied 750 & 1250kg trls.  ;)
You can bet that the LR requirement was a part of the perentie contract. the same as they won't warranty civilian vehicles if non-genuine parts are fitted.  Even it they are OEM.
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: DBT on July 23, 2014, 08:49:55 PM
Land Rover most certainly do still sell the AYG8108, they are just out of stock for the moment with some expected in soon.  I imagine any time the army makes an order of however many undered they get at a time they probably clean out the system pretty well of all stock!

Rang ROH last month to query availability of AYG8108. They told me they don't do retail and go talk to my local tyre retailer. I suspect they weren't even paying attention as they did not refer me to L/R.

So got my retailer to call them and they told them they were no longer in production.

Least helpful Aussie wheel manufacturer I've ever dealt with and yes, there's been others.

So I bought a No 5 and now have 2 spares.

Diana's comment above makes you wonder how much all this is based on engineering issues vs commercial interests.
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: 303Gunner on November 14, 2014, 04:33:39 AM
From another thread:

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/47fb5202-45e0-4292-8f74-5e9ad53cc94b_zps340c0a62.png)

Does this 6x6 have 130 rims (ANR1534) on it?
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: juddy on November 14, 2014, 07:29:45 AM
I reckon they are just painted white, to suit .
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: bush man on January 13, 2015, 09:38:13 PM
gee have I got a lot to learn about rims as they all looked the same to me
      John
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: circlework on February 10, 2015, 01:04:03 PM
Hey all ....

I have a set (6 of) civilian split rims and want to use them for an upcoming trip.
The rims are marked thus on the inside of the rim, not the center:
"Made in Australia (2x factory stamped icons here) 16-6.00G SDC 31186"

Firstly, can someone tell me if these markings are the same as the RFSV rims? I'm guessing that the 31186 is a date code.
On the RFSV rims, is there any reference to the LR BYG part number?
And of course the can of worms question ... can I use these Legally on my Survey FFR and No5?

Thanks,
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: juddy on February 10, 2015, 02:11:12 PM
The Split rims are part number BYG5324

They were made in AU and Brazil. They was also 2 different types of beads.
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: circlework on February 11, 2015, 12:20:00 AM
The Split rims are part number BYG5324
Yes, but is that stamped anywhere on the rim?


They were made in AU and Brazil. They was also 2 different types of beads.
So far, I have only seen the Aussie rims on Aussie Landys.   Were the Brazilian rims used in Oz?
Also, what was the difference between the rings?
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: 303Gunner on November 18, 2016, 01:20:58 PM
To add further info to the original post.....
L/R did not accept/permit the ROH manufactured Rover rims fitted to 750 & 1250kg trailers to be fitted to ADF 110's. Supposedly not manufactured to the same specs.....

L/R only permit AYG 8108 (ROH) rims to be fitted to ADF 110 Perenties.
Haulmark fitted an 'identical' rim to its Defence supplied 750 & 1250kg trls.  ;)
These are the detail pics of the 2 types.

While the "Haulmark" rims have "For Trailer use" stencilled on them, it is an easy matter over time to paint over this. The ROH rims made for the Haulmark trailers appear similar to the LR wheels, but do not show the LR number AYG8108 as they are not a LR part!

EMEI Veh H120 says that the rims fitted to the Haulmark Trailers are identical in design, construction and appearance to the Landrover rims, but should not be fitted to the 6x6. It notes that the rims are rated to 1000Kg.
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: Dervish on November 18, 2016, 06:48:44 PM
Just a point to note, the Haulmark rims I have seen have the part number HM01545000. Is that trailer wheel from a Cooks, Gunner?

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/IMG_2243_zpsghyhaejz.jpg)
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: Sixty on November 18, 2016, 07:09:43 PM
Derevish,

From memory, the 750kg had a single or nil digits while the 1250kg had the HM-digits.

Still ROH, same size and offset, just not 'OEM' compliant....
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: 303Gunner on November 18, 2016, 09:21:11 PM
Just a point to note, the Haulmark rims I have seen have the part number HM01545000. Is that trailer wheel from a Cooks, Gunner?
No, it's on a Haulmark PT2-2. Oddly, it is the only one, all the others are AYG8108. Gonna have to find me some "HM" rims!
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: Carzee on February 02, 2017, 02:36:38 PM
Important announcement regarding Perentie rim AYG8108 availablility.

The genuine Perentie rims, part AYG8108 have been out of stock but around mid 2017 there will be stock available once again. A final production run of 1000 individual rims will be available.

When this stock has been depleted, thats it.

No more after that. ROH will have changed their operation and manufacturing capability in Australia by the  end of this year.
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: juddy on February 03, 2017, 12:05:09 AM
Is this information from the manufacture?

With 50% if not more owners ditching these rims for tubeless ones, I don't think this will have a big impact on future spares, people can't give the things away 2nd hand, never mind paying $300+++ for new ones, I wonder if this will be the case with other spares as the fleet is withdrawn.
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: Mick_Marsh on February 03, 2017, 12:20:17 AM
Is this information from the manufacture?

With 50% if not more owners ditching these rims for tubeless ones, I don't think this will have a big impact on future spares, people can't give the things away 2nd hand, never mind paying $300+++ for new ones, I wonder if this will be the case with other spares as the fleet is withdrawn.
No one has tried to give any to me. My spares I paid $50 each. Most people are asking $100 each.
Title: Re: Perentie 110 and 6x6 wheel warning
Post by: Carzee on February 03, 2017, 02:55:01 PM
Is this information from the manufacture?
Can't comment.