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Vehicle Research => 110 Research => Topic started by: Dervish on January 18, 2014, 07:40:01 PM

Title: 48-010
Post by: Dervish on January 18, 2014, 07:40:01 PM
Hi All,

My hope is that I will be able to put all of my research relating to the Perentie I have just bought into this thread, in the hope that it can be guided and informed by the veritable treasure trove of knowledge stockpiled in the REMLR membership.

Being the 10th Perentie supplied to the ADF - and just the 4th Cargo - it is an early example. I plan to drive it around and enjoy it exactly as is, but if I change it at all it will only be to bring it back to how it was when it was first delivered to the army in 1987.

Current condition:

At some point the vehicle has been made over, with a new tub (minus the three larger canvas tie downs along the top), a bullbar that doesn't seem to belong to the rest of the vehicle and a new canvas top. Speculation was that the makeover was for the auction, although the condition of the paint (not great) indicates that isn't the case and that the vehicle wore this irregular cam pattern during at least some of it's life in service.

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/4475992_zps759eb1fe.jpg)

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/4475984_zpsf57562e0.jpg)

If anyone has any information about 48-010, please put it down in this thread. I'll be posting up as much of the vehicle history as I can find, starting with the service records. Actually, starting with the information required for the membership form!  :) I've scoured the images here on REMLR and (unsurprisingly) can't find any of the vehicle in service.

There was another parted out vehicle in the recent auctions with the skin from one side of the tub removed, perhaps it was parted out to repair those one, and repainted by AFM ??

Matt

The camo paint on your 010 looks fairly fresh and untouched. It also looks very neat (unlike many army Land Rover schemes) :). If Dave is correct in saying the tub appears to be a replacement, the pattern may be the work of an aspiring decorator/spray painter when repainting the entire vehicle. The canopy also looks to be new so maybe the vehicle has had a makeover.

Edit: I notice that there are a few scratches on your Landy. By the looks of it, there is white paint exposed under these scratches. Is this correct?

Thank you gentlemen for your insight, I'll answer your questions/clarify when I get my hands on the truck on Monday. I should've paid more attention to the service records when I was perusing them, at the time I thought this truck would go for a price I wouldn't have paid - luckily it didn't!
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Tommy on January 18, 2014, 10:06:39 PM
G'day Dervish

I am so happy that this vehicle has been bought by someone who appreciates it's heritage.

In relation to photographs, there seems to be a distinct lack of photos of the Perenties for some reason. You would think in this day of digital cameras and photos that there would be a plethora of photos on the net :(.

There has been the odd early style bullbar advertised on eBay over the years. Maybe a swap with an early bullbar 'owner' would be a good option as I suspect that your bullbar is a desired object.

Good luck with your research. I look forward to the posts in this thread.
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Phoenix on January 20, 2014, 01:07:40 PM
As Tommy said before, you have the later style bar that was fitted to a lot of vehicles.  It's fairly rare to see many of the original style bar.

Any photos that I have in the archive are noted in the database, and while I am still working through the photos that I have and adding them to the database, there aren't as many as earlier vehicles, but they despite digital photography, they appear to have been photographed less than their predecessors, but then their predecessors have had a few decades for the photos to find the light of day.  More will show up of the perenties over time, and if you are registered, I will know who to email to say that we have a photo of your vehicle!
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Dervish on January 25, 2014, 03:13:42 PM
Well, I have good news and bad news...

The good news is that the Perentie is in fantastic condition, it's great fun to chug around in with it's torquey 4BD1 and very little weight. Everything works perfectly and the canvas is in particularly good nick (it's stamped March 2013!)

The bad news? No logbook. I could've sworn I'd looked at it, but I flicked through them all so I must've been mistaken. Apparently there was no logbook supplied by the army and so none for me. Oh well.

When I went to pick it up they took a while to bring it out because the battery was flat. Somebody had turned the heater fan on on one of the inspection days and it had run flat  >:( I know because the was still on when the Perentie switched off for the first time. Why exactly don't the fans switch off with the ignition??

The second hiccup was that 10 minutes away from the pickup site, the thing spluttered and died. Naturally, this was not a pleasant experience. Also, I've had no experience with 4BD1s before. I knew there was a fuel supply problem, but I didn't know where it was likely to be from. I also had no tools! After much... consternation shall we say, I checked the fuel filter. It looked ok - but not fantastic, so I thought that must be the problem (blocked). A call to a friend later and we had a new filter. Screw it on and go to prime...

Some peanut had left the primer slightly unscrewed so it was sucking air into the fuel lines! Argh! So I primed it up and away we went, flawlessly  :D Alls well that ends well I suppose.

So now it's time to start bringing it back to top condition. You'll see I've posted a wanted ad for the missing locking tab in the pintle hook, which will be my first project. All it will need is a quick coat of paint, but I'll probably pull it apart anyway because that's the kind of thing I love doing  :)

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/IMG_6623small_zpsc5cd9383.jpg)

I'm still tossing up whether to keep the unusual Auscam or to put it back into Olive Drab. Either way the paint will need some attention; despite how it looks in photos, it really is pretty average. The outcome of that decision will influence whether I decide to chase an "old-style" brush guard or not.

To answer an earlier question, there's no white under the Auscam. There are two distinct layers, Auscam which is flaking and the OD. Also, I'm beginning to doubt that the tub has been replaced at all - it's very straight but it still has OD on it? Unfortunately without the service book I doubt I'll ever know.

I'll leave you with a photo of the Perentie at it's new home.

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/IMG_6638small_zpsc4607efd.jpg)
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: FFRMAN on January 25, 2014, 05:00:25 PM
Great thread, keep it coming,

If you spray lanolin onto the paint it comes up like new! You can buy it from super cheap auto etc. There is a thread about it here somewhere in the perentie section.

I hope you keep the unusual camo job, it is unique

Cheers
Scott
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: aussiegregmac on January 25, 2014, 06:50:06 PM
At least a year or two ago someones got a post and a how to for the locking tag that they made on their Pintle Hitch.
I can't remember where, probably mechanical or similiar but not Perentie.  Seemed like a good job and easier than trying to find one.  I don't think Pvt Bloggs would have stored them as I think it was policy for them not to be locking.
Happy looking.
Greg Mac.
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Dervish on January 26, 2014, 08:15:19 PM
Great thread, keep it coming,

If you spray lanolin onto the paint it comes up like new! You can buy it from super cheap auto etc. There is a thread about it here somewhere in the perentie section.

I hope you keep the unusual camo job, it is unique

Cheers
Scott

Thanks Scott, I do think that the Auscam scheme it has is particularly striking (not the best outcome for camouflage, mind you  ;D). It's good to know where you stand on the Auscam vs. OD issue, I have to admit I'm leaning that way myself. Good tip about the lanolin, but many of the panels have cracks in the paint either through to the Olive Drab or to the aluminium. No amount of lanolin will fix that.

At least a year or two ago someones got a post and a how to for the locking tag that they made on their Pintle Hitch.
I can't remember where, probably mechanical or similiar but not Perentie.  Seemed like a good job and easier than trying to find one.  I don't think Pvt Bloggs would have stored them as I think it was policy for them not to be locking.
Happy looking.
Greg Mac.

I'll have a look for that thread - thanks for the tip. I've got an offer for one, so we'll see how that goes. Working with that grade of steel is definitely beyond my capabilities but I have a friend who may be able to make one up for me. It will come down to a cost/hassle analysis, as usual.

Today I periodically snuck away from festivities to paint the pintle hook after disassembling and cleaning it last night. It's a completely straight-forward job. I noted with interest that the unit was once camouflage green.

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/IMG_6657small_zps2228f501.jpg)

So even my pintle hook was unusual colours. I sprayed it up with Wattyl Kill Rust epoxy paint as it is supposed to be hard wearing, and packed it with a ton of grease. Here's the result.

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/IMG_6667small_zps4f8ec911.jpg)

Not too shabby, if I do say so myself  :D

Next up on the to-do list, the fold out lifting points on the rear crossmember. It might be a while before I get time for that though.

A question for the knowledgeable, what do the numbers sprayed on my TAC plate holders (same front and rear) mean? LR on one, 4218 on the other.

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/IMG_6620small_zps54978096.jpg)

And I'll leave you with another photo of the Perentie.

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/IMG_6652small_zps16f5308f.jpg)
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: 303Gunner on January 27, 2014, 01:41:04 AM
A question for the knowledgeable, what do the numbers sprayed on my TAC plate holders (same front and rear) mean? LR on one, 4218 on the other.

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/IMG_6620small_zps54978096.jpg)
The L/R means the vehicle was from the Loan Register, not "Owned" by a particular unit, and the 4218 is the 4 digit "Christmas tree" number that identifies the unit using the vehicle. Still a mystery which units many of these numbers actually represent.
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: pvp89 on January 28, 2014, 09:22:26 PM
You might be able to get some of the mechanical details without a logbook if you have a mate who can search the ARN via the appropriate channels   ;)
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Dervish on January 30, 2014, 06:32:52 PM
You might be able to get some of the mechanical details without a logbook if you have a mate who can search the ARN via the appropriate channels   ;)

Well that begs the question, do I have a mate willing to search this vehicle's particulars for me? There's a six pack in it for anyone who can!
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Dervish on February 16, 2014, 10:03:28 PM
Quick post today.

This morning I decided to do something about my locker key, which was looking a little worse for wear. Upon close inspection, it bore the initials DNSDC; that is, the Defence National Storage Distribution Centre at Moorebank. So either my Perentie spent a large period of time wasting away beside the M5, or they threw any old locker key in with the truck. It does seem that the bits in each vehicle at the auctions belong to the vehicle though. Here's my start point:

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/IMG_6877_zps312d7f1e.jpg)

Thankfully I still had my ultra-sophisticated-sounding-but-really-just-tupperware zinc electroplating apparatus at hand. After a bit of scrubbing with some steel wool a few 30 minute cycles of plating, I got this:

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/IMG_6885_zps1380c08c.jpg)

Should stop the rust coming back in the foreseeable future. I wish I had more to put up, but life has gotten in the way the last few weeks  :-\
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: FFRMAN on February 16, 2014, 11:03:48 PM
HI,

Mine was at DNSDC for the last 20 years of it's life, it has LR on one TAC plate holder and 4218 on the other - same as yours. I've got the GM120/service book.

Mine also has DNSDC printed on the canopy

Regards
Scott
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Dervish on February 19, 2014, 08:36:46 PM
HI,

Mine was at DNSDC for the last 20 years of it's life, it has LR on one TAC plate holder and 4218 on the other - same as yours. I've got the GM120/service book.

Mine also has DNSDC printed on the canopy

Regards
Scott

Hi Scott,

Thanks for that info, looks like our Perenties knew each other in their past lives. I'm glad such a tiny clue lead to all that information! I went looking for pictures of your FFR after you said it had the same unit markings. Well, I can't seem to find any. It would be nice to see it - have I missed them or are there none up yet?
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: FFRMAN on February 19, 2014, 10:09:25 PM
HI,

Mine was at DNSDC for the last 20 years of it's life, it has LR on one TAC plate holder and 4218 on the other - same as yours. I've got the GM120/service book.

Mine also has DNSDC printed on the canopy

Regards
Scott

Hi Scott,

Thanks for that info, looks like our Perenties knew each other in their past lives. I'm glad such a tiny clue lead to all that information! I went looking for pictures of your FFR after you said it had the same unit markings. Well, I can't seem to find any. It would be nice to see it - have I missed them or are there none up yet?

Hi, I'll post some up for you soon. Also in the MElb auction coming up there is one with DNSDC on the canopy and 4218 on the TAC

cheers
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Dervish on March 30, 2014, 07:36:35 PM
I got to spend a bit of time with the Perentie today, which is a welcome change because normally SWMBO is driving it. She loves the thing to bits, except when she has to park it!

Anyway, had to move a fridge – so the back section of the canvas had to come off.

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/IMG_7193_zps021e87b7.jpg)

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/IMG_7194_zps3bfa7da7.jpg)

While the canvas was off I took the opportunity to replace the rivets holding the rear canvas tie down points on as they were quite loose.

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/photo_zps32984cc3.jpg)

After today’s experience I think a canvas ‘truck cab’ type arrangement might be on the cards – that way it can be used as a ute and the original canvas can be stored somewhere out of the weather. I’ll have to look around for someone up to the task.

I enjoy driving this thing so much – wish I got more of an opportunity to use it. I guess I need another Perentie…
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Dervish on May 24, 2014, 08:14:49 PM
I've let this thread slide a little as not much has changed with the Perentie until now.

Not being at all secure really limited the use of the Perentie for us, nothing could be left in it and you were always relieved to get back to where it was parked and see that it was still there. So for now, she has a cab. I'll let the pictures do the talking as we are leaving for Cape York tomorrow!

With canvas canopy:
(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/IMG_7858_zpsdbd66f47.jpg)

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/IMG_7857_zps95bbb74d.jpg)

And without canvas:
(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/IMG_7862_zps9bda71cd.jpg)

Running without tilt allows us to store the canvas until the trips where it is needed, preserving it for the sunnier months. As the canvas was almost new when we got it, it has been alarming to watch the amount it has degraded in such a short time. Now that I have it off the vehicle I'll have to research what i can do to get the colour back.

Changing from cab to full canvas is probably around 1.5-2 hours work (once you've done it a few times).
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Diana Alan on May 24, 2014, 09:28:54 PM
Its only a personal choice, and I know the Perentie 6x6 prototypes had white cabs, but I would prefer the camo green to extend up the the gutter line.

Lots of Army vehicles had just the roof white and others like the Leyland Contractors had just the tropical roof white.
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Minikeg on May 25, 2014, 12:26:22 AM
 :D I was wondering if a single cab would be ok with the rops.. this answers that
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: plattman on May 25, 2014, 08:20:18 AM
G'day,

Love the cab, what year / model did you use? How much work and cost was involved in the modification??....if you dont mind sharing :)
The other thing, like others on here I have operated these rovers for a little while now (read a long time) both here and abroad. In relation to the cam pattern, there may be a standard pattern, scheme call it what you will.....but I know when the paint was bad... (we) painted them. when they needed touching up, especially if there was an inspection / parade. So it may just be that someone decided they liked that design!! I recall big tubs of paint lying around the hangars!!!

Unless your (or anyone elses) rover spent its days mainly driving around the bases on roads....there is every chance that they have had a lot of parts panels rims tubs etc etc replaced over and over and over. The good news is that they fix what ever breaks!

I persoanlly prefer the type of bull bar you have on it now, as they are easily modified to hold a winch :)

I know from experience what happens to them, I know how much they can take....believe me they can take quite a lot, and I know that they got repaired!!! And that is why I bought one :)

Platty

Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Dervish on June 01, 2014, 07:24:00 AM
G'day Platty, the cab is off a Defender - I believe this particular cab was from a '93 but any Defender or County cab will work. All the necessary mounting holes already exist in the Perentie capping, so fitting is a simple nuts and bolts job apart from the sloping bracket at the base of the front ROPS hoop. That bracket needs to be trimmed for the roof to fit, but not much. I trimmed much more than was necessary, so don't use my pictures as I guide. The top part of the gun mounts next to the front seats were also removed (although I'm not sure this has to happen) and also the other two clamps that sit on top of the capping at the back of the cab. It's only a few minute's work to rivet/bolt them back on when you swap back to canvas.

I paid $850 for the roof from Land Vehicle Spares with trim and mounting hardware. I probably could have waited around for one to pop up in a private sale and got it cheaper, but at that price I wasn't too worried.

And yes Diana I agree that the back of the cab should be in cam, but that's a job for when I swap back to canvas :)  Too much effort and time, although such a small job pales in comparison to Gog! (I'm posting this from bed in the back of my Defender in Cairns on a month long Cape trip, so I shouldn't complain about being time-poor, but there you are :) )
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: plattman on June 01, 2014, 07:38:45 AM
Thanks for the reply, that's awesome. I have been looking at doing it for a while you have answered the questions I had about doing it so thanks!!!
Looking forward to seeing it painted in cam :)

Platty
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Dervish on June 22, 2014, 01:09:09 PM
I noticed something interesting today on the Perentie - it seems she originally had bumperettes like the IPVs! I'd seen the bumperette compatible jerry can holders (i.e. with holes) previously, but had not thought much of it until now. I had a close look at the rear lifting points on the chassis today, only to note that there had previously been the bumperette mounting bracket welded on - unfortunately it has been ground off and the chassis sprayed with cold gal.

48-010:

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/IMG_7273_zpsb99e7467.jpg)

48-006 (photo taken at Minto):

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/IMG_7223_zpsfdd1b2d3.jpg)

So I will be reinstating bumperettes to 48-010 when I get time. I can't see there being any point to them, but I'm heading down the path of returning 48-010 to it's original guise. It's an early example and has managed to avoid virtually all of the army upgrades (except the brush guard), so it seems like the right thing to do.
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: FFRMAN on June 22, 2014, 03:52:23 PM
Well spotted, couldn't agree more with you returning to original condition.

Look forward to the progress

Regards
Scott
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Electric C on June 22, 2014, 10:13:26 PM
with your cab, how you go with the seat belts? or has mine been modified, so they bolt on to the rops?
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Dervish on June 23, 2014, 11:36:00 AM
with your cab, how you go with the seat belts? or has mine been modified, so they bolt on to the rops?

That's normal, all Perentie seat belts mount onto the ROPS. The cab also has seat belt mounting points included so when I put the cab on, the belts were unbolted from the ROPS and onto the cab mounting points. Same bolts and all.
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Dervish on June 28, 2014, 04:48:19 PM
Well, I made some progress today. I swapped brushguards with a top bloke from Katoomba that most Perentie owners in Sydney would probably already be familiar with. The newer brushguard is really so superior in design that it is ridiculous, but nothing says Perentie like the traditional bar. Now 48-010 is that much closer to being back to '87 trim.

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/IMG_8207_zps7ca83e0c.jpg)

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/IMG_8213_zpsb534f788.jpg)

I couldn't be happier  :D I have also put this on my to do list:

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/IMG_8197_zps7a90dbc7.jpg)(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/1a577348-e1b4-4844-ba9e-84f8cb1f483f_zps1365f7c6.jpg)

The driver's side door catch strap retaining bracket has obviously fallen off and been ham-fisted back on. I'd like to fix it up, but I've not seen rivets like the originals before - anyone know where to get them?
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Electric C on June 28, 2014, 09:38:21 PM
I'm sure there ones out of a electric pop riveter, I also need to do the same repair but some fool used self drilling screws in mine.
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Dervish on July 12, 2014, 06:41:08 PM
Today I knocked up a Sketchup concept drawing of the RHS bumperette and bumperette mount interfacing with the jerry holder. Looking at the reference pictures I have from 48-006 and the IPV folder (thanks Dave), the dimensions are as close to perfect as I can get. Hopefully I'll get a chance to take them to my friend the fabricator this week.

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/ScreenShot2014-07-12at61419pm_zps9b3ce4b2.png)

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/ScreenShot2014-07-12at61444pm_zpsb934c474.png)

Also on the to-do list, pick up some Camouflage Green from Protec in Minto  :D
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Electric C on July 12, 2014, 10:44:17 PM
I still don't see a point to them, but by the time they got to mine they was deleted
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Dervish on July 14, 2014, 04:22:57 PM
I still don't see a point to them, but by the time they got to mine they was deleted

They didn't last long - the highest numbered Perentie I've seen with them is 48-012. It appears to only have one side with the bumperette compatible jerry holder and it doesn't look like it had the mounts on the chassis.

Wayne's 48-005 has had the chop too, it looks like they did a rough job on his - you can see the stumps. I haven't seen a photo of the rear of 48-001 to see if they've survived there. To my knowledge, of the ones we've seen so far only 48-006 has retained them to the present day.

But yes, they're completely pointless  :) I just want my Perentie to be as it was when it was new.
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Electric C on July 14, 2014, 09:04:04 PM
Good I'll stop wondering there use! Glad your going to such detail, I will do mine to oringinal best I can but I will make it a "ute" it will be a "practical restore". But still I'm loving your posts here.
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Dervish on July 20, 2014, 07:42:54 PM
Here was tonight's project, restoring the gear knobs. The main gear knob was held on with RTV; it was replaced with a proper rubber bush. Hopefully that will hold it in place better, the RTV never instilled confidence. Once that was done, I filled in the letters with some old white modelling enamel I had from years ago. Very satisfying - but we'll see how long it lasts.

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/IMG_8311_zps4795ad32.jpg)

I have also picked up a bonnet release cable, just waiting for the little clip that holds it to the radiator support panel to arrive. I went to Robco this week too, but more on that later.
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Dervish on September 03, 2014, 08:43:27 AM
48-010 has been off the road for the past month or so as the fuel tank decided to spring a leak. It has been a long process getting everything in order to complete the repair. As you may know, to buy a tank new from LR is around the $1700 mark. No thanks. Luckily Dodgeguy1942 was able to help out with a tank for not much at all, so a big thanks to him. After getting the tank home I started the process of cleaning it out and preparing it for a spray.

Old tank out:
(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/IMG_8445_zps4d9452f1.jpg)

New tank sprayed and ready to go in:
(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/IMG_8425_zps440bb565.jpg)

Also, having now pulled the old tank, I could see that the front tank mount was cracked – nothing a little MIG can’t fix, but I’m worried about how many cracked ones might be out there!

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/IMG_8453_zps8817d703.jpg)

I switched the bonnet opening mechanism from the lever through the grille to the cable mechanism most Landy owners would be familiar with, as this is how it would have been in 1987. It also means there’s no access to the engine bay without access to the cab, which is a security benefit. Cost of the switch was about $21 with all new parts, refreshingly cheap.

I have also been getting stuck into some restoration works lately, starting with the motor. The old 4BD1, despite running like a top, looked a little bit sad. First up was the rocker cover, which was starting to rust and had something like hardened glue all over it. It was wire brushed, primed and painted in engine enamel.

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/IMG_8461_zps421ab2f5.jpg)

Hopefully today I can get the tank back in and be back on the road (or off the road)  :)

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/IMG_8234_zps203d8875.jpg)
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: isuzutoo-eh on September 03, 2014, 01:50:45 PM


I switched the bonnet opening mechanism from the lever through the grille to the cable mechanism most Landy owners would be familiar with, as this is how it would have been in 1987. It also means there’s no access to the engine bay without access to the cab, which is a security benefit. Cost of the switch was about $21 with all new parts, refreshingly cheap.




Are you sure about that? I ask because my '85 110 has the lever behind the grill, not cable to the cab. The civvy version has a keyed lock to prevent foreign intrusion to the engine bay.

The tank looks smart, might have to crawl underneath mine to check the bracket!
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: DennisM on September 03, 2014, 03:41:01 PM
Those cracks (fatigue) are a common fault, my Nov 84 110 Isuzu had one fitted from new, I had to reweld it some 2-3 years ago, cheers Dennis :)
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Barefoot dave on September 03, 2014, 03:45:25 PM
Are you sure about that?
Yep. Circa 1992, Mod#21. Your original bracket should still be near your left knee.
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Minikeg on September 03, 2014, 04:41:11 PM

Also, having now pulled the old tank, I could see that the front tank mount was cracked – nothing a little MIG can’t fix, but I’m worried about how many cracked ones might be out there!


That explains why with no physical damage, mine leaks :( hoped it was a perished hose

 

Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: richard c on September 04, 2014, 09:13:32 AM
my 1985 Isuzu 110 also had the bonnet catch in the centre of the grill with a hole in the surround where a key lock could be fitted.  Been gon quite a few years now so I can't check if there was a bracket inside.

My current 130 has the bracket inside and the 'tug' lock
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Dervish on September 04, 2014, 09:34:25 AM
Are you sure about that? I ask because my '85 110 has the lever behind the grill, not cable to the cab. The civvy version has a keyed lock to prevent foreign intrusion to the engine bay.

As far as I can tell from Googling, 1987 was the changeover year from keyed lock to release cable. I also notice that the IPVs (03/87) had the keyed latch while mine (08/87) had the release cable. How can I tell? The bracket was there and had marks indicating that a cable had previously been installed.

I can't imagine that the army would've been thrilled with the keyed latches at any rate, given their aversion to keys in general. Perhaps the change was made at their request? Who knows.
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Phoenix on September 04, 2014, 02:46:54 PM
Ok, so the bonnet release issue (which I will repost in it's own thread in the 110 section).

So the change to the bonnet release was conducted at the Army's behest in 1992. Originally they were built with internal release cables, but there were a couple of faults.

1. they often broke & 2. in the event of an electrical short, they often became the 'earth' with a resulting melting of the outer case and an immediate cessation of bonnet release ability.

Whilst on the subject of this, I am told it would be wise for owners to check and clean all earth points and check conductivity, as after the removal of the bonnet release cable, the heater control cables became the favored path of the 'wriggly AMPs' as an earth with a similar cessation of function.

Recommendation would be to stick with the external release on that basis.

I have also attached a Service Bulletin which details the changeover parts etc.
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Dervish on September 04, 2014, 03:45:21 PM
That is unusual...

I've seen a number of cables from body to engine - i.e. handbrake and accelerator - become earths, but never a body to body cable like a bonnet release. Stranger still are the heater cables which are bulkhead to bulkhead! These must've been seriously rusty Perenties, even in '92!
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Electric C on September 05, 2014, 08:51:32 PM
Having 49-017 and it being sold in 93, it hasn't recived a lot of mods (well army ones). The bonnet lach being one, so I cab safely say it's supposed to rub against your left leg and work half the time.
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Dervish on September 08, 2014, 01:59:04 PM
Over the weekend I got busy on a few jobs getting the Perentie for the LR Expo coming up. First up was respraying the grille surround so I could put the Land Rover 110 sticker on, so it has become the first OD panel. I decided to try paint stripper for the first time, but it turned out to be a mistake. The stripper removes layers in a binary fashion - either they're all there or not all there at all - which made getting a good level surface impossible without digging all the way through the layers. So it went back to bare metal.

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/IMG_8474_zps3bebf9bd.jpg)

Once that was done, Mrs. Dervish and I thought a good activity for Sunday would be to make up some TAC plates. So off we went to Bunnings to pick up some gal sheet and paint. First up I made a 1RAR TAC as that was present on my TAC plate holder under the Auscam. The Mrs. made a TAC of a wedge-tailed eagle, which I quite like. My stencil for the 1RAR TAC ended up not working well, but I think it looks authentic if nothing else. Too neat and nobody would believe it was real  ;)

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/IMG_8493_zpsbc6d9e11.jpg)

After that I decided to try to make a REMLR TAC, which is a difficult task. The Mrs. made a pair of very elaborate warpath TACs that are still sitting to dry fully with the contact still masking the red of the flower (any resemblance to real ADF TACs is purely coincidental  :)). The REMLR TACs will need some touching up with a brush, but it made for good Sunday entertainment.

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/IMG_8497_zps9b8ff971.jpg)

(photos in this post make the TACs look much better than they do in real life!)
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: FFRMAN on September 08, 2014, 02:11:28 PM
Great stuff, can't wait to see it as it was as the first "real" Perentie.

Oh yeah I see you have a real authentic mid - late 80's picnic chair ready for when you take the pernetie out bush!

regards
Scott
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Phoenix on September 08, 2014, 03:28:18 PM
We do have the REMLR ones for sale as vinyl stickers ;)

Looking great though!
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Carzee on September 08, 2014, 07:23:51 PM
Do we have some stickers ready to go? Landy Expo is a fortnight away - I could use some.
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Phoenix on September 08, 2014, 10:18:56 PM
dozens sitting in a box at my place for the last 5 years plus I think.
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Hot Rover on September 09, 2014, 08:21:26 AM
Over the weekend I got busy on a few jobs getting the Perentie for the LR Expo coming up. First up was respraying the grille surround so I could put the Land Rover 110 sticker on, so it has become the first OD panel. I decided to try paint stripper for the first time, but it turned out to be a mistake. The stripper removes layers in a binary fashion - either they're all there or not all there at all - which made getting a good level surface impossible without digging all the way through the layers. So it went back to bare metal.

Hi Dervish
When you use paint stripper it is all or nothing, once you have put it on to paint you have to remove the paint back to bare metal as the stripper destroys the paint. Most over the counter paint strippers only remove one layer at a time you can get stronger industrial stripper from specialist paint suppliers hardware stores don't stock it.
Cheers
Rod
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Dervish on October 11, 2014, 10:47:54 AM
Oh yeah I see you have a real authentic mid - late 80's picnic chair ready for when you take the perentie out bush!

I had a bit of a chuckle at this  :) We had a stack of these, but most of them have long since turned brittle and fallen apart - this one has sat in the sun for decades and still looks new... I really don't understand. Camp chairs of choice though are a pair of canvas covered fishing stools - must be mid 70's and still look fantastic.

Hi Dervish
When you use paint stripper it is all or nothing, once you have put it on to paint you have to remove the paint back to bare metal as the stripper destroys the paint. Most over the counter paint strippers only remove one layer at a time you can get stronger industrial stripper from specialist paint suppliers hardware stores don't stock it.
Cheers
Rod

Cheers Rod, I'll have to find some of that industrial strength stuff; the one I had struggled to even get through one layer at a time. Something that will get rid of the whole lot with one application would be a godsend; do you have a brand that you use? I've heard good things about "Aircraft" paint remover.

In the current round of auctions I have found something I have been looking for; a Perentie with similar markings to what mine appeared to have under the Auscam. Unsurprisingly it is an early ARN; most of the 48-0##s seem to have reasonably similar markings. The reason why this one is most like mine is that the 1RAR TAC is on the passenger side, which I thought was the wrong side but seems common enough, and has a number on the opposite TAC. I can't quite make mine out, but 11 seems a good fit.

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/6739063_zps568ebc48.jpg)

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/6739061_zpsa0a72a7d.jpg)

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/6739060_zps07e20123.jpg)

Other things of interest on this Perentie: original hasp and latches on the lockers and one bumperette compatible jerry holder.

Does anyone know what unit the 11 represented or the significance of the palm tree? I'm not interested in The "A" Team marking  ::)
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: aussiegregmac on October 11, 2014, 01:33:33 PM
The Tac Sign 1  is the Formation Designator.  (1st Div.)
Don't know the 11 or Palm Tree.

Looks like someones thrown on a damaged FFR Canopy going by the
grey internal lining and the cable hole near the filler cap.
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Phoenix on October 15, 2014, 03:41:45 PM
Croc under a palm tree is the old 1 Armed Bde CMF (ww2 from memory)

11 Div (WW2) has a palm tree)

Lion under a palm was used in singapore as well.
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Dervish on October 18, 2014, 06:36:18 PM
I see a lot of people are adding 12V accessory sockets to their Perenties, so I thought I'd share what I've done on mine.

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/IMG_7218_zps17774ec8.jpg)

It's a Narva pair of sockets, Merit and cig lighter, from Supercheap or somewhere similar (can't remember). They fit perfectly on the edge of the centre plastic bit and are virtually invisible. With a harness made up like you can see the bullet connectors just plug into the points where the red and black not-quite-banana-plugs that used to be there hooked up. There's a cig lighter/dual USB one available too. Hope this post is helpful to someone  :)
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Carzee on October 18, 2014, 08:22:13 PM
Great work, neat use of the fuse cover. I was looking at this yesterday...
http://caravansplus.com.au/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=14585

..but I like your solution much better. And saves doubling up on fuses. Assuming the red&black Lucas power pins are fused somewhere.
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Dervish on November 30, 2014, 07:59:37 PM
With the help of guru Mike C, I now know some of the history of 48-010. 48-010 was first posted with the Army School of Transport, spent time in storage at Bandiana Logistics Group in the early 90s and then sent to DNSDC Moorebank where it... sat in storage. Hardly a life showered in glory, but now I know.

I'm still trying to return 48-010 to it's '87 guise, so now I know the TAC plates it will need. I found a picture of what my Perentie probably looked like during it's time at the Army School of Transport.

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/ci1-2_zpsbfb9104d.jpg)

So it looks like the Training Command TAC (very helpfully posted by Diana on another thread) on one side:

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/Trgcomd_zps6e738823.png)

The other TAC appears to be blue with a red diagonal stripe, and a three digit number. Glen mentioned in that same thread:

...
And the RA Sigs school Tac sign would have been red 941 on a white/blue background. 9 signifying "school" and 41 for Sigs.

So the first digit is 9. That's where my research has run out. Question is, does anyone out there know what the last two digits for the School of Transport are?
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Minikeg on December 01, 2014, 04:37:11 PM
any holes where the orange beacon mightve been mounted on 48-010?
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Phoenix on December 02, 2014, 02:16:19 PM
I have a copy of the brochure for those driver training units.  didn't realise that there were 2 though, only had the ARN of one. I'll dredge it up as it is a closer photo that that one I think.
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Dervish on December 02, 2014, 08:34:17 PM
any holes where the orange beacon mightve been mounted on 48-010?

No, nothing - but it was an awful long time ago. I'm guessing it's roof cage has been swapped around a few times and the canvas was basically new when I bought it, so the evidence is probably long gone.

I've answered my own question about the TAC plates, I found these:

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/dt2_zpsbceed832.jpg)

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/dt1_zps3f6fdc47.jpg)

Now to wait for a quiet weekend so I can make them up.

I have a copy of the brochure for those driver training units.  didn't realise that there were 2 though, only had the ARN of one. I'll dredge it up as it is a closer photo that that one I think.

Thanks Richard, I think the brochure is on the REMLR Perentie brochures page, they are using Personnel Carriers in the photos. Some of the photos are closer, but unfortunately not at good angles.
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Minikeg on December 02, 2014, 11:12:56 PM
I have a copy of the brochure for those driver training units.  didn't realise that there were 2 though, only had the ARN of one. I'll dredge it up as it is a closer photo that that one I think.

that photo shows 3 (one behind the staff)

another pic
(http://roaduser.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/dt3.jpg)
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: mudmouse on January 13, 2015, 05:02:15 PM
I had a look over 48-059 at Minto and noted a small paper sticker with 'PNG quarantine' details on the tail gate. Perhaps it, or just the tail gate spent some time in the Solomans/PNG??

Matt.   
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Dervish on March 14, 2015, 04:35:05 PM
(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/dt2_zpsbceed832.jpg)

Here's a photo from today, not a bad likeness :)

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/IMG_94372_zpsfdruxrr5.jpg)
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: ReignCKD on September 30, 2015, 01:20:20 PM
Hi dervish, I like the build, very cool you are going back to original. Do you like the pickup cab on the Perentie? How well does the canvas seal with the cab on it, I know it wasn't designed for it, but does it keep it relatively dry in the cargo area?
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Dervish on September 30, 2015, 08:59:02 PM
Hi dervish, I like the build, very cool you are going back to original. Do you like the pickup cab on the Perentie? How well does the canvas seal with the cab on it, I know it wasn't designed for it, but does it keep it relatively dry in the cargo area?

The cargo area stays dry with it on, I have slept in there on two miserable nights that I can think of and stayed dry. Apart from camping, I don't really use the canvas as it just gets in the way of carrying larger loads. The section of canvas that was over the cockpit just rolls up and sits behind the cab; the canvas seems to push against the cab in such a way that any rain is channeled into the cab's gutter.

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/IMG_7857_zps95bbb74d.jpg)

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/IMG_7858_zpsdbd66f47.jpg)
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: ReignCKD on October 01, 2015, 05:24:42 AM
Thanks, we a get a ton of snow here in the winter and I'm trying to stay warm and keep the cargo area free of snow and water!
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Dervish on January 31, 2016, 01:38:52 PM
It's been a long time between updates, but 48-010 has slowly been turning OD one panel at a time. I've just managed to track down a set of the gloss arches as shown in the IPV folder, so I've been switching them over slowly and fixing some of the wiring in the front guards as I go. Next project is to pull the roof and paint it, or alternatively to paint the Land Rover badge on the back the black and white that it should be. Or another galvanising run. Decisions, decisions...

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/IMG_1151_zpsqwhegh8d.jpg)
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Dranoweb on March 12, 2016, 10:34:59 PM
As a matter of interest, my perentie also had DNSDC on the original canvas, and has "RE" on the front drivers side TAC plate and "4218" on the passenger's side front.
rear tac plate text is illegible, and I had a spare tac plate in the rear box also bearing "4218"

No paperwork was supplied with mine. I found the ARN from a chassis number search.

I'd be happy to know if you work out what these numbers correlate to - as like many, I'm also looking for some history.
Mine was not fortunate enough to come with unit markings or even any hidden under a layer of paint.
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: FFRMAN on March 12, 2016, 11:51:16 PM
As a matter of interest, my perentie also had DNSDC on the original canvas, and has "RE" on the front drivers side TAC plate and "4218" on the passenger's side front.
rear tac plate text is illegible, and I had a spare tac plate in the rear box also bearing "4218"

No paperwork was supplied with mine. I found the ARN from a chassis number search.

I'd be happy to know if you work out what these numbers correlate to - as like many, I'm also looking for some history.
Mine was not fortunate enough to come with unit markings or even any hidden under a layer of paint.

Howdy. DNSDC is Defence National Storage Distribution Centre at Moorebank. Basically storage location for unallocatec land rovers or loan vehicles LR = loan register.  4218 also relates to Moorebank.
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Dervish on March 13, 2016, 09:32:48 AM
As Scott says. DNSDC is where Perenties' hopes and dreams go to die. I spent a few years driving past it twice a day; row after row of Perenties and Mogs sitting out in the weather, seemingly never moving. Be thankful that you've liberated yours from that place  :)

I've often wondered if any Perenties were assembled at JRA Moorebank, delivered to DNSDC where they sat for ~25 years, then driven 10 mins down the road to Minto. That would be a total of ~20km in ~25 years!
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Minikeg on March 16, 2016, 08:00:22 PM
As a matter of interest, my perentie also had DNSDC on the original canvas, and has "RE" on the front drivers side TAC plate and "4218" on the passenger's side front.
rear tac plate text is illegible, and I had a spare tac plate in the rear box also bearing "4218"

No paperwork was supplied with mine. I found the ARN from a chassis number search.

I'd be happy to know if you work out what these numbers correlate to - as like many, I'm also looking for some history.
Mine was not fortunate enough to come with unit markings or even any hidden under a layer of paint.
DNSDC is Defence National Storage Distribution Centre at Moorebank.

That must be a colloquial term for it, the official designation is Dont kNow S*** Dont Care
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Dranoweb on March 16, 2016, 09:54:03 PM
Since I posted that I had asked at the Museum I volunteer at, and that description of DNSDC is apparently quite accurate.

But, still chasing the unit serial myself - just discovered some very faint black symbols under my paintwork in the torch light at a certain angle.
also some residue of vinyl decal or similar, possibly from a "christmas tree" sign. not much use without the colours though.

anyway, probably not being much help - I'll go back to my homework so I don't end up like the Moorebank lot.
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: ReignCKD on May 01, 2016, 03:34:25 PM
Just like twins. :) I notched the piece blocking the cab off the cage back to the welds.
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Carzee on May 01, 2016, 07:09:04 PM
Looking good. Do I see a fresh windscreen? With tint?
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: ReignCKD on May 03, 2016, 12:22:15 AM
Looking good. Do I see a fresh windscreen? With tint?

Thanks, but must be the angle, no tint, and this is the windshield it left the army with haha. I am going to paint the roof when I get some paint for it. going to have to get it color matched locally as it seems to be a no-no to ship spray cans from OZ. Plus my green is faded and I dont feel like repainting the whole truck (and I like the faded green better).
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Dervish on May 03, 2016, 05:51:50 PM
Just like twins. :) I notched the piece blocking the cab off the cage back to the welds.

That looks great :) You're right, 48-010 could've been it's twin. I think you'll enjoy having the cab, for practicality it can't be beaten.

Still on Queensland plates I see? That must raise some eyebrows.
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: ReignCKD on May 04, 2016, 12:14:36 PM

That looks great :) You're right, 48-010 could've been it's twin. I think you'll enjoy having the cab, for practicality it can't be beaten.

Still on Queensland plates I see? That must raise some eyebrows.

I only have the QLD plate on the front, you don't need to run front plates in my state! And thanks, it's funny as I am planning on doing the pro winch swap too, not intentionally copying haha.

I used 2 bungee cords holding the top in the front area to keep it tensioned so it doesn't blow open when driving on the highway; works really well!
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Dervish on May 18, 2016, 07:58:59 PM
A friend followed me home today; 101-606.

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/IMG_9072%20copy_zps5nguuam2.jpg)

She's a good honest No. 5 with original specification Lucas indicators. At one point it was used as a water trailer, evidenced by the fitting still in the right hand front of the tub floor (thanks Scott for the water trailer documentation and pictures  :) ). She was part of the AWOL fleet.
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Dervish on June 12, 2016, 05:06:06 PM
The cab - now half OD (ok, Camouflage Green) - went back on today.

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/IMG_1649%202_zpsbbvdieid.jpg)

I'll need to order in some more Camouflage Green which will take a few weeks, then I can get stuck into 101-606.
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: No.5 Trailers on June 12, 2016, 06:46:50 PM
Loving the updates! Keep them coming :)
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Dervish on July 16, 2017, 03:29:43 PM
Well as you can see in the above posts I've fallen victim to Photobucket's ransom demands, so I've deleted my account. I'll try to upload a few of my favourite photos from along the way to fill in the (now) blanks in the thread. Looking back, she's come a long way.
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Dervish on July 16, 2017, 03:40:37 PM
More...
Title: Re: 48-010
Post by: Dervish on July 16, 2017, 03:49:11 PM
Better not leave it at that ^